16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

#220 by dullabhatti
...in year 1999 who was crying tears of blood because his beloved country was taken hostage by a tin pot dictator ...

Yes. And nothing has changed since then, has it? Things have become progressively worse. That is what I mean by a re-establishment of the order having become an indispensible necessity for the sustenance of the common Abdul and others like him. This re-establishing cannot be done by earlier revolutionary forces which have since been defeated and have lost credibility. It can however be done by these new forces which have all the necessary ingredients. Nothing fanatical about that. I`m not a fanatic by a mile.

As for Mr. Tanweer, whether he is or is not in that picture has no bearing on whether picture no 3 is the same person as 1 & 2. You are avoiding the question which I posed as did everyone else. Noone has so far come out and said that it is the same person, but merely obfuscating and obscuring the issue through circular reasoning and false dilemmas.

.. That`s because ``your rabid haters`` are out planning terrorist attacks and being busted in Virginia, California, Maryland, Ohio, UK, Australia and Iraq.

Trust me..The non-paki world would rather ``your rabid haters`` come to chowk and vent instead of planning to blow up subways or set of chemical devices or behead the Canadian PM or poison beer..


LOL.. well said..

CAIRO, Egypt - One of the four suicide bombers who attacked London a year ago appeared on an Internet video Friday accusing his country of declaring war on Islam and oppressing Muslims in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya.

ADVERTISEMENT

``For the non-Muslims in Britain, you may wonder what you have done to deserve this,`` Shehzad Tanweer told Britons on the tape, an excerpt of which was broadcast on the pan-Arab satellite channel Al-Jazeera on Thursday.

Britons continue to oppress ``our mothers and children, brothers and sisters from the east to the west in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya,`` he said, speaking with a thick north English accent.

``Your government has openly support for the genocide of more than 150,000 innocent Muslims in Fallujah,`` he said, referring to the west Iraqi town where U.S. forces fought Islamic militants for several weeks.

``You have openly declared war on Islam,`` he added.

Glancing down at his text, which was off-camera, Tanweer said: ``I tell every British citizen to stop your support to your lying British government and to the so-called war on terror. And ask yourselves: why would thousands of men be ready to give their lives for the cause of Muslims?.``

Tanweer, 22, killed seven people and himself aboard a London Underground train on July 7, 2005. All four of the July 7 suicide bombers were British.

At the Tanweer family home in Beeston, West Yorkshire, 200 miles north of London, a front window bore a sign Friday telling journalists to stay away. [they seem to recognize their son..atleats they are not in denial]

After an excerpt of the tape appeared on Al-Jazeera on Thursday, a friend of the family, Irshad Hussain, said Tanweer`s relatives would be ``devastated`` to see the video.

``What you have witnessed now is only the beginning of a series of attacks that will continue and increase in strength until you withdraw your soldiers from Afghanistan and Iraq,`` Tanweer said in the excerpt broadcast Thursday.

#218 by Netizen on July 7, 2006 2:10pm PT

I believe that 13% and 7% are part of that 16%. Some of them who stand by them (7/16) also feel that violence against British civilians is justified and some of them (13/16) who stand by them believe in these guys are martyrs. Anyway, 16% itself is a very high and instead of try to sugar-coat this sh!t it would be better if the Islamic community pondered upon it. See my post #164 where I have responded to Irena.

Zeemax`s #76:

Zeeemax, sir there was a video recording that came out (probably from your country) on the web yesterday where al-Zawahri made some claims about Shehzaad Tanweer and the guy in your post. Do you think it is a genuine video? do you think the person in the video is al-Zawahri? or you think it is some Natha Singh from Jalandhar posing as al-Zawahiri?

Secondly, in the same video Tanwee is clearly stating his jihadi proclaimations. Do you think it is Shehzaad Tanweer or someone else? If you think it is someone else, why so? also, it is only you who have made this claim about the person in photo not being Siddique...can you spport your claim from say their families?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/britain_bombings_video_3;_ylt=AhShbIfpJc_JebvMx9iuof29Q5gv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

here is exceprt froma report from London:

``After an excerpt of the tape appeared on Al-Jazeera on Thursday, a friend of the family, Irshad Hussain, said Tanweer`s relatives would be ``devastated`` to see the video.

``What you have witnessed now is only the beginning of a series of attacks that will continue and increase in strength until you withdraw your soldiers from Afghanistan and Iraq,`` Tanweer said in the excerpt broadcast Thursday.
``

So is Irshad hussein wrong in identifying Tanweer? is he is show us some claims from his family or close friends saying this guy on video is not Tanweer.

Sir, I stil remember a guy on Chowk named Zeemax in year 1999 who was crying tears of blood because his beloved country was taken hostage by a tin pot dictator from their army. In respect of that Zeemax, I humbly ask you to take this fanatical veil off your face and open you eyes...denials won`t take you any where.

Re: # 214 echo

Looks like france and britain have large percentages... good going folks - so many years before the french and the brits are conquered by islam?...

Re: # 213

swarrier:

``The headline could well have been, “64 per cent UK Muslims against London bombers”. (The report added that 13 percent of the Muslims polled thought the bombers were martyrs while seven percent felt suicide attacks on British civilians were justified in some circumstances.) Agreed 16 per cent is a large chunk of people and 36 per cent is even larger but isn`t 64 per cent the largest of all and that it deserves to be the headline? ``

above is the arithmetic.

its 16+ 13+7 =36 ................. who stand by+ call them matyrs + feel justified.

64 % are against not 84.

isn`t it irena?

#182 by tahmed32 on July 7, 2006 11:38am PT


All I can say is that, despite my differences on issues with fellow Pakistanis on chowk, I am very proud of the fact that we dont have such rabid haters of any community of people on chowk in our midst.


That`s because ``your rabid haters`` are out planning terrorist attacks and being busted in Virginia, California, Maryland, Ohio, UK, Australia and Iraq.

Trust me..The non-paki world would rather ``your rabid haters`` come to chowk and vent instead of planning to blow up subways or set of chemical devices or behead the Canadian PM or poison beer..

Re: # 213 sw
[...Tahmed never said that the train/bus bombers were nice folks...]

correct... nobody does, not in public.... His theory of ``86% do not support`` is good on paper.... in practice - it doesn`t cut it... There is a good article in today`s WSJ on that... how the 86% actually behave - the author calls it the ``yes-but-however`` syndrome.... yes bus-bombing is bad.... but it`s because of this and that..... however it will continue if the west doesn`t do such and such....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12802435/

S`rashk-e chashm-e muslim meiN hai NaisaaN kaa asar paida
Khaleel Allah kay daryaa meiN hogay phir guhur paida
Kitaab-i millat-i baiza kee phir sheeraza bandi hai
Yeh shaakh-i Hashmi krnay ko hai phir br`g O b`r paida.....Allama Iqbal

and

Dabaa rakhhaa hai iss ko zakhma-var kee cheera dastee nay
bohut neechay suuroaN meiN hai abhee europe ka vaavaila...........Allama Iqbal.

ENJOY!


Islam in europe: Click on the country on the map.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12757599/

Re: # 210
Damn , I`m begining to sound very tolerant which I`m not . -)

Mohar, Tahmed never said that the train/bus bombers were nice folks. He`s just cribbing that the 86% who don`t support them don`t receive fair press.
Then it gets into the usual Hindu Muslim bashing. So now each post merits it`s own answer and not as a part of the chain.

The big thing is what do the 84% do because they may be the only people that the 16% of potential twits listen to.

Re: # 184 zee
[...There is no land run according to Islam....]

Not true..... Saudis are running according to islam... pakis are getting there, starting from north-west side... Iran is running on islam for 30+ years... last heard - malaysia is thinking about it - indonesia too.... And if things go on the way they are - some parts of canuckistan will run on islam.....

But so far - we don`t see no utopia yet.... the alternate system ain`t working.... 7th-century texts don`t make 21st-century nations.... no matter how many tunnels you blow up....

Also Irena...tell me, what is more dangerous to India ? Hindutwa or Muslims ? Atleast fascist hindutwavadis dont cheer for Pakistan at cricket....Atleast hindutwavaadis dont give shelter to spies and terrorists from Pakistan......atleast hindutwavaadis dont plant bombs in school buses and public places......

.........Indian muslims on the other hand, are well known for doing all of the above.

As much as you hate Narendra Modi and gang, you and your people are a much greater threat to India and its people. What do you think ?

Dont you think you people will be happier in Pakistan , the Land of The Pure ? What are you doing in our idol worshipping polythest kufr country ?

Re: # 208

swarrier, if I may - takhmed is a known self-righteous jacka##.... I mean - even if the hindu men in chowk are all evil-incarnate - so what?.... it`s not hinuds who are in this clash of civilization... it`s not them blowing up tunnels, buildings, subways.... they are not thumping 7-century texts as ``alternate systems``..... they don`t participate in global jihad against civilized nations.... muslims do... hinud men in chowk are just pointing the obvious fact....

takhmed cant handle the truth- that`s not hinud men`s fault....

Irena Akbar - since you claim to be an Indian muslim , can you tell what is the % of Indian muslim population that cheers for Pakistan when India-Pakistan play cricket ?