16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

netizen: dont hide behind others. i know its hard - but try to stand by your words like a man.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13749418/

the guy arrested in lebanon says he was planning to go to pakistan for four months of training before blowing the tunnels in ny in late 2006.

Re: # 187

takhmad:

i didn`t come with the term ``homicidal jihadis`` it was some ``christian`` american guy.

hindus are not that wise ;)

may be now you would agree.

Also very amusing is Shri tahmed`s obsession with ``hindu men``. Instead of focussing on the discussion he wants to focus on the ethnic and religous identity of the participants. Not a single participant characterized Irena`s article as one by ``muslim woman``. People focussed on its contents not on its originators background.

Another ``forward thinking`` left-wing liberal obsessed by labels of identity, religion and caste. Sheeesh, its tiring to see the same behaviors again and again...

Re: # 182
Tahmed, don`t jump to conclusions. I take no pleasure in anybody`s misfortunes, Indian or Pakistani.

Silence does not mean support. Long posts or abuse will not change set opinions either. You have as much chance of converting echo et al to your viewpoint as I have of making Bin Laden a Bush follower or Arjun a Hamid Gul fan.

I could be wrong there too.-)

#186 So Islamic=Homicidal

What other gems of hindu wisdom do you have to shed.

#185 that`s 3 unsolicited posts to closet mullah32 since this morning. great going!! 17 more and i will toss you a bone. :-)

Re: # 182

chacha takhmad:

how exactly are islamic/paki homicidal tendencies, ``real life misfortunes of individuals who happen to be Pakistani/islamic``????

Re: # 183 mullah32

Yep - you have been resting your case for a long time.... all the while pakis are getting busted and transported to gitmo for jihad.... :)))

#170 by bongdongs
Presently in the lands run according to Islam (atleast apparently so, others would disagree) we see grave inequity and rule by an oligarchy.

Wrong. There is no land run according to Islam. There isn`t any Islamic republic right now and yes there is great inequity and rule by oligarchies everywhere.

#174 by bongdongs on July 7, 2006 10:59am PT
This year India, a country with per capita income of $3000 dollars (PPP), will spend $40 billion to buy oil from:

Kuwait: 19,200$/per capita (PPP)
Saudia: 12,800$/per capita (PPP)
Gas from Qatar: 27,400$/per capita (PPP)

And India will make about $25 billion selling software and services to the west.

Seems to me like it is the ``muslim`` countries that are sucking out far more resources from poor countries like India than the west.

Exactly. That`s what I mean. But (1) these countries do not fix the price of oil, US does; and (2) the oil proceeds end up back with the US to do with it what it pleases because of the monetary system. In reality, US gets all this oil for free in return for maintaining the oligarchies in the oil exporting countries.

And yes, India will keep exporting services of phone-attending and code cooleying, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, China and the rest will keep shipping cheap t-shirts and dvd players to US households keeping their standards high and inflation low while keeping their own wages to subsistance levels to keep market share and competetive advantage and fight amongst each other, and forego value addition and resulting human development in their own countries, all this to keep the US market share.

It is actually little more than stray dogs fighting over crumbs thrown over the wall by the owners of the palace.

This is what Che Guevera tried to correct, or Lenin, or Mao for that matter. But they all failed because they all lacked the spiritual strength of a simple yet immensely powerful dogma. This is what Islam has the potential to correct.

Later ...

further #182: and also check out the large number of hindu men who have come out of the woodwork to attack the writer for daring to tell it the way she see`s it!!

i rest my case. :-)

swarrier #119 I still think Arjun is anti Pakistani and not completely anti Muslim.

From the example I gave you, ``anti-Pakistani`` for this man (like too many other posters from India) means getting thrills at the real life misfortunes of individuals who happen to be Pakistani. And you clearly think that too is OK. I would have no problem with anyone being against or for specific policies/actions of the pakistan government. But such rabid hatred for any community of people seems to be acceptable practice for too many Indians on chowk.

All I can say is that, despite my differences on issues with fellow Pakistanis on chowk, I am very proud of the fact that we dont have such rabid haters of any community of people on chowk in our midst. Some of us suffer from other kinds with rabies no doubt - echoboom who wets his pants with delight every time he reads of a white guy converting to islam, masadi who couldnt find his way out of an open door but thinks he knows all there is to know, and so forth - but this particular strain of rabies seems to be restricted to hindu men on chowk. And the rest of you seem to think this is acceptable behavior!!

#166 by zeemax on July 7, 2006 10:34am PT


Why is everyone missing the point Irena is trying to make? Her point is simply that the media focuses on everything a few thousand Muslims do and superimposes that on the balance billion or so who don`t do anything like that


BZZZT...wrong(again)...Take the example of the canadian bust...the people running the mosque let the paki guy spout his anti-western extremist BS because he cleaned their rugs and took out the trash? Haven`t heard of too many churches that let people spout off about killing abortion providers

the problem is that muslims are either in denial or they tacitly condone extremism..they do that everytime they blame the bombing on the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war as if that can be a justification for brit born muslims of the paki persuasion blowing up subways..

It`s like the Sean Connery says in the movie the untouchables: Everyone knows where the booze is..the question is, who wants to mess with Capone..same thing applies here..the muslim communities of Londonistan and Canuckistan know who`s buying/selling/making jihadi videos..they either don`t want to do anything about it or don`t see anything wrong with it..

beta zeemax:

forget the ``alternative`` systems that you are trying to bring about .........

why don`t you regale the chowk audience with the latest ``yahoodi`` conspiracy doing the rounds in your local madrassah????

we need a break

Re: # 178 zee
[....My Rajput ancestors defeated the Mongol hordes near Bahawalpur ...]

Alright - so you are back in the grandpa gopinath fold..... May be that`s what you need to cure this grandiose delusion you have on islamic ``alternate system``.... :)))

#161 by concerned1
...would you be elated/proud/...if you were convinced that muslims had done 9/11 and 7/7?

The simple answer to elated/proud/ is an unqualified no. I would neither be elated nor proud. Just sad I guess. But if they had done it, I would probably have condoned it because life of innocents is a commodity in war and the sooner one grasps that fact, the better. It is `collateral damage`. In a war, it doesn`t matter if one is in uniform or wearing army boots or not. Certainly, the family which got raped, murdered and burnt, in that order, in Iraq, was neither wearing a uniform nor army boots. It is a norm.

#165 by mohar11 Re: # 147 closet mullah32

Welcome back Zeemax Mian.... Welcome back to the hinud fold :))).... I guess you have nowhere else to go other than falling back on grandpa gopinath.... :)

Thanks Doktar Saheb. Actually I`m probably a descendant of Gulab Singh but then again he might have been a descendant of Gopinath in turn ... so you may be right. But one thing is for sure. My Rajput ancestors defeated the Mongol hordes near Bahawalpur when the Mongols threw down their elephants in defeated rage from the cliffs of Kashmir on their way back with their tails between their legs.

Zeemax, the vendor of soft islamism writes:

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What these people do not see, is that this entire thing is not even about Islam as a religion or a faith, it is about Islam as an alternate system of governance to the status-quo which results in 1/6th of the population gobbling up 5/6th of resources, occupying other people`s lands and livelihoods, and which situation communism / socialism / capitalism has failed to correct, and which Islam has a potential to correct. That is the clash of civilisations. It is a reality, and which clash these people join without even knowing what it`s all about. But they are naive. After all as Allah says, we have sealed some people`s eyes and ears and they`ll never learn.
[quote]

Hah, hah ... what a joke (and a bad one), islam as ``defending the poor``. What a piece of nasty nonsense and just plain lies.

Where have the wonderful results of islamic perfection been obtained? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Maybe you meant the taliban rule of Afghanistan, that was a perfect society, right?

All backward countries with nothing to show for in the last 50 years. And, yes, India is backward too, but at least we dont have these nonsensical delusions.