16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

doesnt really have to do anything with alternate BS of an islamic government. It`s the rage of a faithful who sees his Allah nowhere while Taliban getting their asses kicked in the most sacred last ten days of the holiest month of bedioun calendar - Ramadhan. Where exactly is this Allah mian if Americans control everything including what we see, read and according to some islamists even our thought processes? i thought that could only be pulled off by mr. Allah? Or is Allah mian getting synonymous with Oblivion? Where are all these suicide bombers going? For what?

Zeemax, My mind just broke through the media haze and it is now clear.

1) No muslim was responsible for the London bombs. The London bombers whose video confessions are available are innocent.

2) But if they did blow it up, (and they didn`t, see 1 above) it was for the lofty moral purpose of fixing the broken system for which Islam is the superior alternate.

So, in conclusion, the Zionists (who have the motivation and the ability) are bombing USA and UK to establish the Islamic system.

This year India, a country with per capita income of $3000 dollars (PPP), will spend $40 billion to buy oil from:

Kuwait: 19,200$/per capita (PPP)
Saudia: 12,800$/per capita (PPP)
Gas from Qatar: 27,400$/per capita (PPP)

And India will make about $25 billion selling software and services to the west.

Seems to me like it is the ``muslim`` countries that are sucking out far more resources from poor countries like India than the west.

Re: # 172 raw
[.... It took two nukes to get Shintoism going on reformation.... It might get even bloodier in the case of Islam so what? ]

A nuke in mecca will be sufficient, I think.....

Zeemax, here are your gems from the other board.

Being a cog is not enough excuse. Vilifying Islam is Wajib-ul-Qatl, just like her lover boy Van Gogh something ...
This is a war of civilisations. There`ll be many knocking Islam. All we can do is to fight ... and to blow up the opponents into smithereens.

I have no problems with your views on 9/11 and 7/7 but since you have taken the stand on blowing up infidels for whatever reasons - it is just going to happen - you and your ilk will be eliminated. The culture of your forefathers will be wiped out through spielbergs or daisy-cutters whichever `d be suitable. It took two nukes to get Shintoism going on reformation. It might get even bloodier in the case of Islam so what?

Re: # 168

Yep - Akhmed Mian all charged up and charging full speed at the hinud wind-mills....

it is about Islam as an alternate system of governance to the status-quo which results in 1/6th of the population gobbling up 5/6th of resources, occupying other people`s lands and livelihoods

But for this Islam has to demostrate itself to be a viable alternative. Presently in the lands run according to Islam (atleast apparently so, others would disagree) we see grave inequity and rule by an oligarchy. This is inspite of several ``Islamic`` countries being generously endowed with natural resources. Saudi Arabia exports about 7.5 million-bbl/day of oil, at a conservative $50/bbl, this is $135 billion/year. What good is it doing for Islamic people (let alone all of humanity) with this money? Is it funding malaria research (which kills millions of muslims), is it establishing universities (that teach anything other than hatered)?

If muslim people demonstrate a hundred years of enlightened rule under an Islamic state, heck even I will fight a ``jihad`` in its name.

Re: # 166 zeemax
[....Islam as an alternate system of governance to the status-quo....which situation communism / socialism / capitalism has failed to correct, and which Islam has a potential to correct. ]

OK - there are some 50+ islamic/muslim nations - show us one where the ``alternate system`` has ``corrected`` all ills and where people are rolicking in milk and honey.... There is none... islam is a cult - cults do not make successful societies... they just sell dreams of here-after to gullible abduls....

Speaking of ``occupying other people`s lands and livelihoods`` - that`s what islam and its followers have done over centuries - how else do you think you have a billion of them around the world?... now the tables have turned - there ain`t nothing you can do about it.... get over it...

seems like Tahmed sahib has received his viagra pill in the form of Irena Akber.:):) Allah works in straneg ways.:-)

.. As for blowing up things, one does not bring about revolutions by adding bricks to the building, but by dismantling it. The world-order needs to be re-established and if Mary-Antoinette needs to be beheaded in the public square or Czar Nicholas` family shot in the forest, someone will do it...

What I understand from the above is that either the Muslims are going to kill non-Muslims / non-Muslims are going to kill Muslims in order to survive.. That is clean and simple.. ``clash of civilizations``..

Maybe zeemax is under the `mind control of Islam``.. It`s possible to control the mind through propaganda if you get a kid, brainwash him with prayers 5 times a day, telling stories about how God talked to a arab dude in a cave through an angel..

Why is everyone missing the point Irena is trying to make? Her point is simply that the media focuses on everything a few thousand Muslims do and superimposes that on the balance billion or so who don`t do anything like that but are just trying to cope and survive like everyone else. That is the point. However, these responses here are precisely because of what Irena is complaining about; since mind control through media not only works but has been tried and tested over time over and over again! It really rocks!

Look at the battering Bina Shah got from these very same persons when she complained about one fake victim looking for immigration to riches making a movie showing a naked woman with her goodies flouted through a see-through strip-tease type negligee standing on a Muslim prayer mat and with verses written down her back ... and using that to discredit the entire body of Islam and getting her producer killed in the process, and the howling I get when I just point to evidence or the lack of it on Muslim involvement in 9/11 or 7/7. They would rather be blind and deaf and would rather believe newspaper headlines rather than their own very eyes.

That, is mind control through media.

What these people do not see, is that this entire thing is not even about Islam as a religion or a faith, it is about Islam as an alternate system of governance to the status-quo which results in 1/6th of the population gobbling up 5/6th of resources, occupying other people`s lands and livelihoods, and which situation communism / socialism / capitalism has failed to correct, and which Islam has a potential to correct. That is the clash of civilisations. It is a reality, and which clash these people join without even knowing what it`s all about. But they are naive. After all as Allah says, we have sealed some people`s eyes and ears and they`ll never learn.

As for blowing up things, one does not bring about revolutions by adding bricks to the building, but by dismantling it. The world-order needs to be re-established and if Mary-Antoinette needs to be beheaded in the public square or Czar Nicholas` family shot in the forest, someone will do it. It doesn`t have to be Muslims doing it. They just happened to be in that particular frame of mind at some breaking point on the camel`s back. It actually could have been anyone outside the Gymkhana.

Rgds

Re: # 147 closet mullah32
[....zeemax: with friends like you, though, muslims dont need any enemies. why dont you become a hindu and spare us all the embarassment of your hiding from the obvious truth?...]

Welcome back Zeemax Mian.... Welcome back to the hinud fold :))).... Altough we are not sure if we want a nut-job like you - but now that mullah32 has ex-communicated you from the chosen faith - I guess you have nowhere else to go other than falling back on grandpa gopinath.... :)

Irena:

You are being very untruthful when you state that the media has not covered the plight of Muslims in the post-Godhra riots. In fact, you Muslims with the help of the media milked it as much as possible considering that the whole episode started with the burning of the 59 Hindus. How much empathy has been shown by the Muslim world to these 59 innocent pilgrims? Anyway, let`s say for argument`s sake that the media did not cover the riots adequately. So what!! Gujarat`s population is what 50 million and Muslim population is what 7 million. Okay 2,000 Muslims died but 6,998,000 did not die. 20,000 Hindus may have rioted but 42,980,000 did not riot. I am only using the statistical game that you are trying to play.

On a given day 99 out of 100 people on the highway might be sober and driving safely. That is not the cause for us to celebrate. It is that one person who is drunk and driving recklessly that is the cause for concern. If you buy one kilogram of sweets and 999 grams is good but one gram is fungus or poison. Will you eat it? I mean poison is only 0.1%. Statistical options and probabilities are fine when either of the choices are within acceptable limits. When a choice is not within an acceptable option then we want 100% accuracy. Let`s say only 1% of the Indian Muslims support jehad and terrorism then it still is 1.5 million. Let`s say out of that only 1% go on to become diehard terrorists who actually carry out the actions that`s 15,000 and can you imagine how many innocents they can kill.

If I was a Muslim I would be glad that the media focus on the 16% figure. Why? Because it means that they accept and believe that 100% of the Muslims should not be supporting terrorism and jihad and are shocked at the 16% figure. On the other hand if they believed that all Muslims are prone to jehad and terrorism and 84% are not then it would be a pleasant surprise.

Anyway talking about media suppression of the news here is the BBC report on the Solapur Riots Let me get this straight. An American Christian evangelist calls Mohammed a terrorist. The same Falwell who has called Hinduism a satanic cult in the past. So the peaceful followers of The Religion of Peace practice their peace with the Hindus of India. Lo kar lo gaal.

So Irena my million dollar question to you. What was the coverage of these riots in the Indian media especially your Urdu media? Did you identify that the victims were Hindus? I await your response.

Re: # 150
Ms. Akbar
I disagree on some points. I have often seen newspaper headings where the term ``minority community`` has been used when Muslims have caused riots etc in various cities in India.

I do not know if that has changed. But is used to be a norm in the English press not to add a religious hue to incidents to inflame passions.

I don`t know if you remember, but in the Bombay riots, but newspapers carried details of a very poor community of rag-pickers who were Muslims who were attacked and whose houses were burnt down. I think the Shiv Sena were blamed for that. It`s too far back now but I remember that distinctly because we discussed that incident at work.

Suppose there was a survey of hindus in India. And 16% percent said that all indian muslims should be killed/sent to pakistan, whatever...

I WOULD ASK EVERYWHERE NEWSPAPER TO PUBLISH SUCH FINDINGS, IF THEY EXIST. IT WOULD BE MOST SHOCKING AND DISGUSTING. I WOULD CALL ON EVERY HINDU LEADER TO REPUDIATE SUCH NONSENSE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE REASON IS.

But to our left-wing fanatics (oops, friends) it is not shocking that 16% of british muslims are OK with murder of other *british civilians*.

There is one phrase for this: stinking hypocrisy and shameless pandering to islamists.

zeemax,

would you be elated/proud/...if you were convinced that muslims had done 9/11 and 7/7?