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16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

Irena Akbar July 4, 2006

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#272 Posted by VRV on July 16, 2006 12:13:36 am
Irena,

Irena behn takes exception to somebody raping a 5 year old girl in Gujarat. I am surprised!

It shud a holier thing to you behn! Your demi-god did it for the mankind b4 somebody emulated him in Gujarat.

Pl take a date and count, who did it more (though this corpse count is a satanic thought), Muslim fundoos or Hindu fundoos. In Indian subcontinent it`s Musloo fundamentalism that gave birth to Hindu fundamentalism. Pl dont equate Indian nationalism with Hindu nationalsim (Seema Mustafa does this very often, for her a bad Hindu is an Ugly Indian but a bad Muslims is not an Ugly Indian!!!???!!).
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#271 Posted by santos on July 13, 2006 9:33:53 pm
What happened to all the hindus in Pakistan? Where did they go? What will happen to the remaining few?
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#270 Posted by harish_hyd on July 11, 2006 10:38:11 pm
#264 by tahmed32

re-read what you yourself posted. you missed the part where i wrote ``of any community of people on chowk ``. now see if your claim makes any sense.

So you imply that just because Chowk is free of Pakis who hate Indians (even though you know it is a bald lie), all Pakis love Indians and the terrorists who cross the LoC aren`t Pakis? Makes sense?
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#269 Posted by swarrier on July 11, 2006 4:42:22 pm
BJK

Irena is a womans name. Greek origin. It means peace.

Cheers.
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#268 Posted by bjk on July 11, 2006 1:01:03 pm

#267, #265 lucknawi

Ama Irena (is that a man’s name or a woman’s?)

Let me rephrase some of my thoughts in less provocative ways.

In #267 you use the qualifier “terrorist” Muslims to denote those who use the bomb, but put no such qualifier for “Hindutwa-vaadis”! Why not use the term “terrorist” to denote the act itself, instead of generalizing – are you in a position to vouch that no Muslims have conducted those heinous acts that you ascribe to the other community.

Who the heck appointed you as the sole spokesperson of all Indian Muslims? Are you out there with a movie camera recording what every Indian Muslim is doing around the clock and can you personally guarantee that no Indian Muslim has cut stomachs of pregnant women and burnt other human beings?

How much brain do you need to acquire to realize that acts of barbarism are not community-specific?

Why do you think your forefathers stayed back in India, anyway? You think that one day they got up and had this bright idea – hey, we live among savages, so let us stick around here so that a couple of generations later, our dear Irena can get to enjoy their full flavor!!

And since when did you start trusting politicians? Were you personally present in that Godhra compartment and monitoring who was actually doing the killing? And since when did Laloo become a paragon of virtue?

Of course, nobody needs to apologize except for what they do themselves. It is simple as that. Your statement “The Muslims never killed those 59, so why should they apologize?” is utterly pathetic – because your position is not that people should take responsibility as individuals – you are taking the asinine position that if some Muslims had carried out that outrage – then would be okay for Muslims to go around apologizing. What a numbskull way to look at things!

Why this herd mentality?

Guess what, there is no herd – except perhaps in your mind!

News media is not all that free of bias – it is not much different in the USA, too. Clearly, parts of the Gujarat media were complicit in the post-Godhra riots! These people need to be held accountable. Why don’t those NGO’s bring the necessary lawsuits?

And what is this big deal that you are making about not knowing Urdu? Language is a tool of communication as well as a vehicle of culture and a repository of heritage. If indeed your older generation members know the language but you don’t – you are the one who loses out.

The important thing is to do positive things with that heritage – so it gets even better over time, and not waste time and energy defending stuff which is indefensible.


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#266 Posted by yossarian on July 11, 2006 7:10:47 am
Serial blasts halt Mumbai`s Western Railway


and the a-hole commies are worried about the the improper presentation of surveys by media.
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#264 Posted by tahmed32 on July 11, 2006 6:46:31 am
#262 re-read what you yourself posted. you missed the part where i wrote ``of any community of people on chowk ``. now see if your claim makes any sense.
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#263 Posted by harish_hyd on July 11, 2006 2:56:31 am
#236 by zeemax

So, blowing up things wins!

Going by your logic, one would conclude that the US will be the biggest winner given the fact that they seem to be using the greatest amount of explosives per Muslim :-)
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#262 Posted by harish_hyd on July 10, 2006 11:46:08 pm
#182 by tahmed32 on July 7, 2006 11:38am PT

All I can say is that, despite my differences on issues with fellow Pakistanis on chowk, I am very proud of the fact that we dont have such rabid haters of any community of people on chowk in our midst.

Sure..like I said, Pakis crossing the borders armed with AK-47s to kill Indians aren`t ``rabid haters of any community (read Hindus)``. They are full of love for Hindus.
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#261 Posted by zeemax on July 10, 2006 10:44:52 pm
#257 by Raw_Dust

There is no contradiction. It seems you gentlemen have mentle blocks which only look for straws to attack Islamic thought in complete ignorance while dispensing with the need to study even the basics of it.

My friend, there are 99 descriptions or `names` of Allah contained in Quran and these include AL-QAHHAR and AL-JABBAR. Go look up in google what that means. Or better yet, look up all the 99. It should add to your knowledge to some extent.
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#260 Posted by echoboom on July 10, 2006 9:51:16 pm
The match is ON!
Secularoons, Liberaloons, Murtadoons, & munafiquoons take note.

Did I read somewhere of ``hedonism`` & ``boheminism`` rearing their ugly heads in Pakistan?
Well Musharraf`s days are numbered after November 2006. Yahyaa Khan was also responsible for the KanjaRR pUn when General Rani , the Madame Naekaa,ruled his roost.

It is no longer ``cool`` to be the westoxicated.



Posted: 2006 Jul 10 - 12:05

• The largest theme park in Sweden changed its uniform regulations after a Muslim female worker who was banned from wearing the Hijab reported her managers to the discrimination ombudsman, SR International reported.

The Muslim worker was denied a summer job at the Liseberg amusement park in Gothenburg because she refused to take off her Islamic headscarf and long-armed top.

According to the local newspaper Göteborgs Posten, the woman has been given just two thousand dollars in compensation after reporting her bosses to the discrimination ombudsman, which ruled that she can wear a tailored-made Islamic dress in the theme park’s colors.

A recent survey by the National Integration Board showed that veiled Muslim women in Sweden aren’t only discriminated against but are also violently attacked.

The Hijab is meant to protect Muslim women from the eyes of men outside their families. It has been the subject of heated debate in several European countries for more than a decade.

In 2004, a Hijab ban was imposed on all female Muslim teachers and students in all state schools in France, where Muslims make up about 8% of the population.

In Germany, home to about 5 million Muslims, eight states banned public school teachers from wearing the Islamic headscarf. And in the capital, Berlin, all civil servants are banned from wearing the Hijab.

And last December, the Dutch parliament voted to ban Burqas, which are already banned in the Belgian town of Maaseik.

However, many Muslims in Europe succeeded in integrating themselves into their societies, while preserving their Islamic values and identities - following the basic governing Islamic rule in the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: peaceful co-existence. The hard work has led to the recognition of Muslims in many European states, which has seen many Muslims entering the political process.

Sources:Islam Online
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#259 Posted by Aangaara on July 10, 2006 3:28:33 pm
some moron commented on this thread that muslims in France were CHEERING their TEAM on because of zidane and ribery.........
well they sure were cheering the french DEFEAT by waving algerian and turkish flags.....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060710/sp_soccer_afp/fblwc2006frapeople_060710051819

one thing that I have noticed about muslim communities in the west is their thankless nature. They would binge on social welfare which is basically a zakat from the infidel, and then they have the audacity to whine about the injustices done to them?
injustices like lets see.. hmm women wearing skirts?? or public display of eating during the holy month of ramazan? or no public holiday on eid?

well let me tell my whiney muslim brothers that if u dont go back to ur pure lands, u might one day find ur daughter/sister/cousin wearing a skirt....... and with a gora ......... out on a date having lunch..... on the 27th of ramazan..... and she might not come back for eid... public holiday or no public holiday. so there is still time... leave u hypocrits leave!.... before your daughters run away.... LEAVE! :P
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#258 Posted by echoboom on July 10, 2006 1:56:36 pm
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/15007386.htm

Posted on Mon, Jul. 10,
UW-Madison will allow controversial instructor to teach
RYAN J. FOLEY
Associated Press
MADISON, Wis. -........
Farrell launched a review after Barrett spoke on a radio talk show last month about his views that the terrorist attacks were a government conspiracy designed to spark war in the Middle East. Barrett is active in a group of scholars who believe, among other things, the twin towers were blown up by U.S. government operatives.

His remarks sparked calls from state Rep. Steve Nass, R-Whitewater, and Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Green for his immediate dismissal. Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat, joined the critics in questioning whether Barrett was competent to teach.

full report
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#257 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 10, 2006 10:16:24 am
``However one terms it as dictates of Allah`s Truth``

But zeemax`s thick head wont appreciate the contradiction in his poerwful and simple dogma which also states that this Allah also happens to be All Merciful yet All Powerful. The other side make no such claims about any entity let alone issue fatwas on people who dare to disagree with their opinion. Zeemax how old are you exactly?
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#256 Posted by arjun_m on July 10, 2006 9:15:53 am
#255 by echoboom on July 10, 2006 8:39am PT


A good example is a recent Jordanian survey showing that women find it acceptable to be beaten by their husbands!


I`m going to print t-shirts: ``Islam: Because the bitch won`t shut up``

I`m going to make a killing..

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#255 Posted by echoboom on July 10, 2006 8:39:19 am
For the Westoxicated scum in the slavelands where goraa left but left his droppings

....``buy we excell in sniffing the goraa-ass in english ...`` yelp , in american accents, the canines from the cantonement & colonies




The Washington Times



Wednesday, June 28, 2006


The veil is not the issue






According to a recent poll, Muslim women care more about voting and their countries’ problems such as violent extremism, corruption and lack of unity among the countries. It is unfortunate that women did not use the survey as a way to express their “own” problems and needs. If they don’t speak up, nobody will do it for them.



It might be surprising to hear that the veil, or even the burqua, is not the main problem facing Muslim women. None of the women surveyed mentioned this issue.



Maybe people should stop stereotyping veiled women and focus on more important problems. A good example is a recent Jordanian survey showing that women find it acceptable to be beaten by their husbands!



What is really alarming is that more women, married and unmarried, found beating acceptable compared to their male counterparts.



Women are not challenging the status quo. In fact, they might be ingraining it even more. Are they afraid or are they oblivious?



— Gihane Askar, Internet Division, The Washington Times









11 Responses to “The veil is not the issue”




Yomi Okanlawon Says:

The problem with Western civilization is they tend to judge everyone by their standard and do not fully comprehend the power of religious belief. In Middle East like you rightly observed, the veil or wife-beating is part of the socio-cultural-religious system. It should not surprise you that Middle East culture is completely at 180 degrees from the West. The West needs more studies like this to fully understand non-Western culture.




posted at 1:15 AM






Thomas Wm. O`Connell, Jr. Says:

Andy Woodward Says:

After 11 eleven years in 3 countries the Mideast I agree the veil is not the issue. There’s no great pressure from women to get rid of it and few are forced to wear it. There’s much more concern about not having access to decent jobs, to being hassled on the street and over the phone by young men, to domestic violence and forced (not arranged) marriages. There’s an awful lot that women worry about in Arab society and the veil is the least of it.




Our belief has the power of Truth to liberate both men and women subject to the erroneous and oppressive morality of a contrary religious conviction.



If we are going to “dialogue” with Islam, we should not tie our religious selves behind our backs. For if we proceed on solely a modern subjective or enlightenment morality, we will fail because they are incapable of pronouncing any reason for its own superiority.




posted at 2:32 PM



Apparently, nobody in this forum is actually reading these “surveys”.



In nearly all cases, the majority of Jordanian men and women DO NOT believe that striking a woman is justified for any reason other than adultery. It is true that, compared to Americans, Middle East cultures are far less tolerant of adultery.



It would also be helpful if someone noted that domestic violence is also one of the major challenges facing the American society. Estimates of the percentage of American women who have been the victim of domestic violence range as high as 33%.



At best, we can only say that Americans might be slightly more respectful of women. But even that is only true if we ignore pornography, a practice that is virtually nonexistent in Muslim cultures.



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