16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

#122 by tahmed32

dont try to twist what i wrote. write like an honest man if you want me to respond to your post.

You said Pakis are brimming with goodwill for Indians. I just proved the opposite of what you wrote. Too bad you couldn`t digest the fact, your loss.

#121 very well said, i may add.

lacknavi: i gave up a long time ago trying to reason with the likes of arjun. you dont reason with fanatics or fools.

PS: this replaces #123 and makes it more accurate. :-)

lacknavi: i gave up a long time ago trying to reason with the likes of arjun. you dont reason with fanatics.

#120 dont try to twist what i wrote. write like an honest man if you want me to respond to your post.

Arjun_m,

Nowhere does my article has anything that hints of support for terrorism or extremism. Produce any such sentence in the article to prove your allegation against me. I am pretty sure you can`t digest the fact that as a Muslim, I call myself a ``proud Indian``. You belong to the category of bigoted Hindus who would like to believe that Indian Mulsims can never be proud of being Indian and that they support Pakistan. You belong to the category of Hindus who, as secularist (in your view, pseudo-secularist) writer Amulya Ganguli says would love to see Muslims as terrorists and anti-women as that is what constitues the fodder of their hate campaign.

Irena Akbar

#119 by tahmed32

and outside chowk there is a lot of goodwill for indians in pakistan - as indian visitors to pakistan have found for themselves.

Sure..the AK-47 wielding terrorists who cross over into India from Pakistan are brimming with goodwill for Indians.

swarrier #97 I basically agree with everything (but not all, as mentioned below) that you write, and only wish some other posters on chowk had a tenth of your honesty. we could then actually have some discussion, rather than argument - and learn something from one another in the process!!

wrt ben laden, i would be disappointed if any newspaper (indian or otherwise) had anything good to say about this individual - just as i would be disappointed if anyone had anything good to say about Timothy McVeigh. Some individuals place themselves outside the limits of human society by their actions: and ben laden and mcveigh belong to that group.

regarding arjun - i dont consider him an antagonist since i dont waste time ``debating`` things with him. i dont agree with you though that this hatred is not targetted to muslims in general. of course it is. when many illegal immigrants from pakistan were deported from the US after 9/11, arjun was besides himself with joy at this. those were not ``jihadis`` who were deported, but ordinary people who no doubt broke the law - but by no stretch can be considered equivalent to murderous criminals. and there are others - like ranjit and gujjubania - who were besides themselves with joy at the recent earthquake even as the victims were buried under rubble.

nor do i think is this spite reciprocated by pakistanis as you seem to indicate - on chowk, you will find pakstanis ranting against the west or against one another. but you wont find an arjun or a gujjubania.

and outside chowk there is a lot of goodwill for indians in pakistan - as indian visitors to pakistan have found for themselves. i hope that stays over time even after borders open and there is greater intermingling of people.

Re: # 119


Tahmed,
I still think Arjun is anti Pakistani and not completely anti Muslim.

Now I got along quite well with the average Pakistanis I used to play cricket with in Boston/Dorchester/Cambridge etc. We had mixed club primarily Indians with a sprinkling of Pakistanis, one Sri Lankan, one Englishman one American and two Jamaicans. Nobody hated each other.

But there are people in Pakistan who don`t mind coming to India to kill civilians for the sake of whatever they believe in. That isn`t quite the done thing.

I don`t make a claim that all Hindus are nice and innocent either.

I`m sure qutite a few of us will agree that a little bit of religion, customs etc is good, too much can be quite stultifying and ultimately dangerous. There is a kernel of evil in all of us. It does not take much to nuture it.

To quote your favourite on another board
`` The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones.``

#117 by lucknawi on July 7, 2006 4:56am PT

Dear author

you are an apologist for Islamist terrorist and the muslim community that tolerates the extremism that breeds people like the London bombers..

Dear Interactors,

Thanks for your comments, most of which, were bizarre. Only Swarrior, Mantolives, Folio and Tahmed made any sense. By the way, I am not a Pakistani Briton. Very much an Indian and proud one at that.

Irena Akbar

#102 by zeemax on July 6, 2006 11:48pm PT


Neither his wife nor his neighbors nor anyone else in Beeston, Leeds believe that was him


Right..and we should take the word of his wife and neighbours over that of everyone else because the wife and neighbours are muslims and as we all know, muslims never lie and have an amazing grasp of reality and are never in denial..

plus, we know no muslim would ever do something like bombing a subway..

OTOH, non-muslims are genetically predisposed to staging such things as the 9/11 attacks, london bombings, madrid bombings, bombings in israel and indian parliament attack and pinning the blame on muslims..the grand conspiracy against muslims is an amazingly multicultural tapestry of all races and religions(barring the religion of peace of course)..

What about the videos made by the bombers themselves, the latest of which was released yesterday...that`s all part of the same conspiracy..

#114 by zeemax

You want proof of their innocence from me? I thought in the great democratic socities where you live, the burden of proof lies upon the accuser and not the accused ...

Tomes have already been written about the case which proves beyond reasonable doubt that it was the 4 Brit-Pakis that did it. More obviously, it is clear as daylight from the CCTV footage and the videotapes. Now since YOU made the claim that they were framed, it is incumbent upon YOU to prove that.

#112 by harish_hyd

??? You want proof of their innocence from me? I thought in the great democratic socities where you live, the burden of proof lies upon the accuser and not the accused ...

But never mind ...

Quoted from NY Times, 7/7/06.

The BBC quoted the father of another bomber, Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, as denying that his son was involved. ``No one has shown me any evidence that he did it,`` Mahmood Hussain said.

Noone has shown him any evidence because there isn`t any ...

#102 by zeemax

Neither his wife nor his neighbors nor anyone else in Beeston, Leeds believe that was him, or indeed any of the four were actually involved ... to this day! Nothing was found in their homes, not a single clue, no phone records/credit cards etc revealed anything suspicious. Two of them did visit Pakistan for a couple of months and may have visited some madrassa but certainly did not enroll in any as masive investigations have established (take note ArjunM). No clue where they bought the explosives, assembled them and so forth. All that was found was that Siddique was a community worker as was his mom, and Shehzad Tanweer was a great sportsman who went around in a merc.

Why should we believe this stuff? Because you say so? Where`s the proof?