Mumbai Rocked by Seven Bomb Blasts

Afghan schools are burned down by Pak-sponsored terrorists because Pakistan has an ``open issue`` with Afghanistan - the ``open issue`` of Pakistan festering since 1989 is that Kabul is not in direct military control of the Pakistani state. People are caught planning terrorist attacks in many countries go to Pakistan for training because Pakistan has an ``open issue`` with most of the world. The lack of a global Khilafat is an ``open issue`` for a lot of people, many of them Pakistanis. The point being that there will be no end to ``open issues`` in a war considered eternal by the other party. To negotiate with eternal warriors only means having to fight them again from a weaker position, as this in an eternal war.

Re: # 519

anil,

......... i agree with you that terroism is bad and should not be condoned in any way ........ unfortunately the alternative of all out military conflict is not very attractive either - it sounds civilized and all that, with armies arrayed on the battrle field and generals poring over maps in smole filled rooms, but in the end more innocent people will die .......... as long as there is an open issue between the two parties i am afraid this idiocy will continue ............ there is nothing that you, i, tahmed or manto can do .......... but it is good for idle gup shup ..........

what is abundantly clear after the mumbai blasts is that there was a terrible intelligence failure...things have been going wrong with RAW and other security agencies for a long while now with stories of moles, info leaks cropping up all too frequently...it is interesting because these stories began after the Congress led govt. came into power...if India is to arrest this trend, it needs to cooperate and network extensively with Mossad because those guys seem to know what they are doing...surrounded by terrible hate they have managed to survive and thrive...hopefully Congress will set aside their vote bank politics at least in this regard and work closely and share info and expertise with the Israelis

Re: # 517
Hamidm Sahib:

The likes of Kasuri (Kashmir in his statement), Tahmed (Gujrat in his postings), and Yasser (Jinnah / Gandhi) bring other issues to divert and dilute the issue of terrorism. To most outsiders these show a malaise and indirect support, and are more harmful and frustrating to deal. These responses show a kind of cancer that has set in Pakistani society which must be eradicated, else the patient will die.

Bombing Muridke, is like destroying the ant-hill. Not all ants will be killed they will only spread more in the society fabric, including India, Bradford, England etc. Even the U.S. and the west in their war against terror will destroy terror centers at the very end, so that these ant-hills can continue to attract terrorists who can then be targeted. This is a sound battle strategy to flush terrorist cells out of the entire body.

The cancer is fought on many front surgically (zero tolerance by society), chemo (targeted bombing), and radiation (education and reforms). There is hardly anything to surgically remove in blood cancer. In many cases, cutting to supply of blood and nutrients to the tumor is a way to deal, if patient is not past certain stage.

The sad part is people like Kasuri, Tahmed and Yasser who can and must lead this war, show a tendency to act quickly and divert and dilute. This tendency is more dangerous, and shows that cancer probably has reached the Pakistani brain-trust. No matter where the terror shows up (even in AH - India from many`s perspective), the Pakistani brain-trust must show zero tolerance, and must never have any tendency to divert and dilute.

Times have changed religious politics (Kashmir), religious reactions (Gujrat), and ideology (Gandhi / Jinnah) cannot be made issues or grounds for justification of terror. No one will tolerate terror on the ground of religious politics, religious reactions, or ideology. The damage done by terror is too great to tolerate, which any way is increasingly reaching toward zero.

The world will not be a spectator. One reaction to Bombay bombings was increased security for NYC subway. The next may be prompt action to prevent escape routes of these terrorists from terror-site. The noose shall be tightened to isolate and trap terror, innocents may perish in the process, but that is the price to pay to fight terror.

Anil

Nice advertisement for Puke-is-tan :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Pakistan-Funeral-Violence.html

Pakistanis Torch Pizza Hut After Funeral

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 15, 2006
Filed at 10:48 p.m. ET

KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) -- Hundreds of youths set fire to a Pizza Hut, two gas stations and a dozen vehicles in Pakistan`s biggest city Saturday after a funeral for an Islamic Shiite cleric killed in a suicide attack.

Rioters rampaged through a busy commercial area of Karachi a day after a suicide bomber killed cleric Allama Hassan Turabi, his cousin and a police guard.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0713/p10s01-wosc.html
Locals banded together to help victims in the wake of Tuesday`s deadly bomb blast.
By Anuj Chopra | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

MUMBAI – Barely 16 hours after Tuesday`s bomb attacks on seven trains killed more than 160 people in Mumbai (formerly Bombay), 37-year-old Sayyad Tyrewalla was ready to brave a crowded train ride to his factory, one hour away. ....................
Mumbai resilient after attacks

zeemax,

........ yes, i want the indians to bomb these `schools` in muridke as well as the grren turban camps in the northern areas - they are all part of the infrastructure of terror ......... actually jamat-ud-dawa is a lot more dangerous than the LeT since they are corrupting the soul of the people .......

actually my special ire is reserved for jamat-i-islami and qazi hussain - they are a much bigger threat to world peace than any one else .......... so if you have pictures of mansoora please post them so that bj can pass them on to the appropriate authorities ..........

Re: # 514

zeemax,

........ yes, i want the indians to bomb these `schools` in muridke as well as the grren turban camps in the northern areas - they are all part of the infrastructure of terror ......... actually jamat-ud-dawa is a lot more dangerous than the LeT ........

actually my special ire is reserved fot jamat-i-islami and qazi hussain - they are a much bigger threat to world peace than any one else .......... so if you have pictures of mansoora please post them so that bj can pass them on to the appropriate authorities ..........

...contd...#514

For the uninformed, Jammat-ud-Dawa is the former Lashker-e-Tayyaba .... but hamidm would know I guess ...

#497 by hamidm2

...bombing muridke ... killing hafeez saeed ..... these addresses
are well known ....

Your special ire is reserved for Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Hafiz Saeed. Sure his address is well known near Muridke, which by the way looks like THIS!



On the left is the Dawa HQ, on the right is the school run by them. Do you want to bomb THIS?

Hamidm Mian, you`ve been away too long to know the nature of the terror-warfare infrastructure in Pakistan. If you really want to bomb it, let me tell you where to go ... complete directions below:

From Pindi, go to Hasan Abdal and take the road from the junction on the right going up towards Abbottabad. From Abbottabad, take the turn next to the Kakul Military Academy going towards Muzaffarabad (don`t confuse it with the one going to Thandiani). As soon as you leave Abbottabad you`ll see green turbans beginning to appear. From here you can either take the fork towards Mingora and continue on for a hundred kilometres and the green turbans won`t stop but be careful ... there`s full Shria Law there and noone will protect you if they discover your intentions; OR you can continue towards Muzaffarabad along the same green turbans till you hit Battrassi. You can`t miss it because that`s the most scenic spot you`re likely to see anywhere, more so if you go up to the rest-house on the top of the hill and look around. There`re miles and miles of picturesque beauty all around and forests beyond till your bare eye can see. You won`t see anything else.

That`s where the shelters are. These are shelters and not training camps of any kind as far I know. They only provide sanctuary. For any training camps you`ll need to take the OTHER green turban road. That was where Mullah Omar learned the ropes.

In any event, this is perhaps a 500 mile road across, and that`s just the road. You take in the area besides the road and it`s perhaps 1000 sq miles of green turbans. Do you want to bomb that?

The point is, Jamaat-ud-Dawa is just a proselytizing system and actually doing a lot of good work in social programmes. The area above is however the terror-support system. The only way you can stop them is by winning them over to your side politically. No other way.

Re: # 511

We know all about your previous as well as present avatars............we will get you!!

And what is this 7/11...Indians just can`t stop thinking of the convenience store...
after what joe Biden said 7/11 has really become popular in India...Shouldn`t it be 11/7
Joe biden and 7/11 Indians...

Biden, a Delaware Democrat, was captured on C-SPAN telling Antani on June 17, ``I`ve had a great relationship (with Indian-Americans). In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin` Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.

And what did Tony Snow WH press guy said abt Kipling names??

#510
Bhalloo -the conspiracy theory- khan

``We all know YOU have something to do with this and YOU and your General are trying to hide by feigning innocence. ``

Another conspiracy theory...An indian without a conspiracy theory is not an Indian...

Re: # 508

Listen HaramiP. You are exposed. We all know YOU have something to do with this and YOU and your General are trying to hide by feigning innocence.

We will get you!!!

Here`s a relevant article:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story1%2Etxt&counter_img=1


Modify your backbone


Swapan Dasgupta |


There are some moments in the life of a nation when people eschew individualism and look for leadership. I don`t know whether history will record the carnage of July 11 as a defining point for our country - just as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in 1919 was for our grandfathers, the fall of France in 1940 was for the British, and September 11, 2001 was for a majority of Americans. It is not the scale of a disaster that prompts a country to break with the past. A decisive shift in a nation`s collective way of thinking is invariably provoked by a corresponding feeling of vulnerability and helplessness.

History records that it is at these critical moments a leader often emerges who is able to transform dejection and despondency into determination and hope. Neville Chamberlain, the rather stiff and gentlemanly soul who epitomised the policy of appeasement, was not lacking in popular support between 1937 and 1939.

When he returned from Munich in 1938 with a piece of paper that promised ``peace with honour`` he was met by jubilant crowds grateful that war with Hitler had been averted. Winston Churchill, who opposed Chamberlain`s appeasement of Hitler, was then regarded as a crazy killjoy - a British Bal Thackeray. Yet, by the spring of 1940, Chamberlain was unceremoniously dumped and Churchill installed.

Something similar happened in India after 1919. The nationalist leadership slipped out of the hands of stalwarts like Lokmanya Tilak and Surendranath Bannerjee and India reposed its faith in a quirky Gujarati who cloaked politics in ethics. Many of his contemporaries saw the Mahatma as a dotty interloper. He was unique but there is no doubt that passive resistance and non-violence crippled the British Raj more effectively than all the guns and bombs put together.

Leadership involves the ability to capture the essence of popular feeling and nudge it in a clear direction. Leadership becomes inspirational, not because an individual is blessed with godly attributes, but because -to use an ill-timed slogan of a failed American presidential aspirant -``in your heart you know he is right.``

Last week, India confronted a twin threat. First, the Islamist jihadis defiantly proclaimed to the world that they have the determination, organisation and technology to strike at the heart of India. The attacks on Parliament, Ayodhya and the RSS headquarters in Nagpur were foiled and the bombings in Delhi and Varanasi were dress rehearsals. Mumbai was the real thing and it left India distraught, disoriented and exposed.

The media invocation of the ``Mumbai spirit`` of gritty resilience was actually a grotesque celebration of national helplessness. People spontaneously rushed to help and comfort the victims of the tragedy, took the personal discomfiture caused by the disruption in their stride and then - and this is the harsh, unspoken reality - waited for the fire next time. They played Mumbai meri jaan on TV when they should have been whistling Que sera sera - ``whatever will be, will be`` - the signature tune of Hindu fatalism.

As if this good-humoured march to the gallows wasn`t bad enough, India is confronted by a leadership vacuum of monumental proportions. It was absolutely revolting to hear a shamefaced Prime Minister mouthing inane platitudes about keeping the peace and defeating the nefarious designs of the terrorists. It was remarkable that even in the face of such a disaster Manmohan Singh could not rise above the template mundane.

Was Sonia Gandhi any better? She certainly upstaged Manmohan Singh by rushing to Mumbai first and comforting the victims. But where India needed the steely determination of a Margaret Thatcher, or even Indira Gandhi, she chose to play Florence Nightingale for an evening.

When defeatism parades as enlightenment, you know that something has to give way. We need a leader who can call a spade a spade, brook no nonsense and do what is right. We need a man the jihadis dread and loath. We also know that such a leader exists. It is time we stopped being afraid of mentioning his name.

Conspiracy theories frenzy in India.

Even some reputable newspapers add to the feeding frenzy, rumor mongering and conspiracy theories. No wonder Indians are taken in by conspiracies theories hook, line and sinker (perhaps boat too)

Two calls prove that Both Pakistan and Bangldesh governments are involved….
Yellow journalism at its best….
Call from Karachi to Dhaka traced in India….

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1748774.cms


“Congrats` calls expose Pak, Bangla link

NEW DELHI/KATHMANDU: Just after the Mumbai blasts, a call from Karachi to Dhaka said: ``Mubarakan, mubarakan (congratulations)`` — a clear mission-accomplished message.

Around the same time, a call from PCO near Juhu, Mumbai, went to an anxious ``mother`` in Karachi.

The caller assured his mother that he was all right (salamat) but could not disclose his location and, saying he could not talk at length, hung up.”

Another good one….

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1743608,001302390000.htm

Pak`s ISI masterminded 11/7, says intelligence

“The agencies, which briefed National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and Cabinet Secretary BK Chaturvedi, said the blueprint for Tuesday’s blasts was made by the ISI while the “plan” was executed by “local Indian operatives”.
A senior intelligence officer said the synchronised explosions had the “hallmark” of an ISI operation. Militants operating in Kashmir were not capable of such meticulous planning and could only carry out fidayeen attacks or plant bombs in crowded places like markets.”

So now ISI only sponsors “synchronized explosions” and not explosions by Kashmiris…
ISI is off the hook as for as blasts in Kashmir are concerned….

Wow! And these are top newspapers in India.

#505 by HP

[Here are some stats: Terrorism in India. Is it really terrorism or political dissent turning into armed reaction? ]

Only low-class jehadi-loving Islamic ba$tards can call the mass slaughter of innocents ``political dissent turning into armed reaction``.

Although left-wing and UPA government prostitute-politicians have taken full advantage of the cow-like nature of the majority of Hindus, one can only hope that there are enough men left to mete out ``armed reaction`` to these vermin.