Mumbai Rocked by Seven Bomb Blasts

HP:509

The stuff you so meticulouslyput together is no good for the hindian digestive system , which is always bloated.

Hindia is a peaceful non-violent country. The proof lies in the several & frequent cease-fire agreements it has signed with ALL its neigbors: China, Nepal, Tripura, Assam, Mizo, sikkim, Bhutan as well as China. They are always right, becuase they have always been a conquered people. Everyone loves them to own them.

Finally someone reasonable from India.
Foreign hand and conspiracy theories commom themes in India. Before it was the US and China and now it is Pakistan and Bangladesh...

by Amar Trivedi
``This is not the first time Mumbai has encountered the ugly face of terrorism. There were horrific bomb blasts in 1993 and then in 2003. These are just the major bomb blasts – there are more. Mumbaikars (or Bombayites) wear the blasts as a badge of honor. The never-say-die attitude of the people has put the city back on track after the most recent incident and the city has always sprung back from every type of natural (while US media was focused on Katrina in USA, Mumbai faced its own battle with floods where approximately 1000 people died) or man-made calamity. The spirit of Mumbai has been a source of inspiration to many and I salute the brave and industrious people of Mumbai for their courage and perseverance.
But on the other side, as expected and right on cue, the Indian Government came out in full force to chide Pakistan and Pakistan-based militant Kashmiri outfits and blamed them for blasts. Most of the people accepted the government explanation as truth (and maybe it is true but why not ask questions?). We do not need any inquiries into it. The media joined the chorus as if their function is to merely be the mouthpiece of government. We know that it is Pakistan. It is always outsiders funding some ``crazies`` every time something goes wrong in India. Proud Indians will never fight against inefficient, corrupt, unpredictable, unfair and almost tyrannical government. Blame foreign countries every time there is trouble in India. That has been government response as far back as I can remember. Trouble in Punjab – Pakistanis are supporting the vulnerable Sikh youth. Trouble in Assam – it`s the Chinese government. Riots during elections – CIA wanted candidate X to win. The Government response (or should I say lies) has been so consistent that most people believe it as truth. No critical questions are asked or thought of. The government will create new programs to stop the foreign terrorist infiltration – more spending on the border, more bureaucracy, more red tape – it is the same hackneyed story over and over again – all in the name of protecting the poor citizenry. Indian government has failed in its mission of protecting Mumbaikars (if we expect it to be the minimum of government responsibility) or for that matter, citizens in any part of the country consistently. What makes us believe that next time they will be successful? If a private security company had failed so frequently and miserably, we would have already hung the CEO and all employees. But unfortunately, naïvely we have accepted the ``foreign-hand`` doctrine as a perfect answer to all our troubles. ``

Here are some stats: Terrorism in India. Is it really terrorism or political dissent turning into armed reaction?

http://www.satp.org/

Bomb Blasts in Mumbai, 1993-2003


Date Place Killed Injured
August 25, 2003 Gateway of India and Zaveri Bazaar 50 150
July 29, 2003 Ghatkopar 3 34
April 14, 2003 Bandra 1 0
March 13, 2003 Mulund Railway Station 11 80
January 27, 2003 Vile Parle 1 25
December 6, 2002 Mumbai Central railway station 0 25
December 2, 2002 Ghatokpar 3 31
February 27, 1998 Virar 9 0
January 24, 1998 Malad 0 1
August 28, 1997 Near Jama Masjid 0 3
March 12, 1993 13 blasts across the city 257 713


Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in India`s Northeast - 2005

Year 2005

Assam Manipur Meghalaya Nagaland Tripura Total Cumulative Total
January C 6 16 0 3 3 28 61
SF 0 3 0 0 2 5
T 3 20 4 0 1 28
February C 1 7 0 0 0 8 38
SF 0 7 0 0 0 7
T 7 9 1 2 4 23
March C 3 6 0 1 0 10 55
SF 1 1 0 0 1 3
T 7 14 0 19 2 42
April C 3 15 0 0 2 20 48
SF 0 2 0 0 3 5
T 9 9 0 1 4 23
May C 5 18 0 0 7 30 60
SF 2 0 1 0 0 3
T 10 9 7 0 1 27
June C 3 9 2 4 0 18 59
SF 2 5 0 0 0 7
T 15 16 0 3 0 34
July C 1 14 0 0 0 15 32
SF 1 3 0 0 0 4
T 5 6 2 0 0 13
August C 12 15 0 0 0 27 50
SF 1 1 0 0 0 2
T 2 7 1 1 10 21
September C 10 7 0 0 8 25 63
SF 1 15 0 0 0 16
T 5 14 1 2 0 22
October C 81 12 0 0 4 97 147
SF 0 4 0 0 2 6
T 12 23 5 2 2 44
November C 10 12 0 1 5 28 52
SF 1 4 0 0 0 5
T 4 7 5 0 3 19
December C 14 7 0 0 5 26 50
SF 1 5 0 0 0 6
T 4 9 0 1 4 18
Total C 149 138 2 9 34 332 715
SF 10 50 1 0 8 69
T 83 143 26 31 31 314
Cumulative Total 242 331 29 40 73 715 in 2005 alone.

India Fatalities
1994-2005
Year Civilians Security Force Personnel Terrorists Total
1994 1696 417 1919 4032
1995 1779 493 1603 3875
1996 2084 615 1482 4181
1997 1740 641 1734 4115
1998 1819 526 1419 3764
1999 1377 763 1614 3754
2000 1803 788 2384 4975
2001 1693 721 3425 5839
2002 1174 623 2176 3973
2003 1187 420 2095 3702
2004 886 434 1322 2642
2005 913 287 1319 2519
Total 18151 6728 22492 47371


*The figures are calculated from the following regions

Civilians Security Force Personnel Terrorists Total
Jammu & Kashmir 10483 4736 17458 32677
Northeast 7287 1978 4930 14195
Punjab 82 2 91 175
Others 299 12 13 324
Total 18151 6728 22492 47371

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#497 Hamidm2

Mian hamidm, you are a lazy man – just like the rest of the Pakistanis!

You wish somebody else to do your dirty work.

Indians are miffed and mad at all the terrorist activities ongoing – in all likelihood funded and supported by at least a part of your establishment, but they are not (at least as yet) so mad that they will either go conduct war or turn upon its Muslims.

Why should it?

India is already a democracy with a freely elected government. It is continuing to proceed along the path of economic progress, it is learning to become more mature in dealing with the complexities of managing such a diverse group of people

India already has what it wants. The Pakistanis are a nuisance, but it is not worthwhile for us to go in after the selected seedy characters being nourished and nurtured by your establishment and chance civilian fatalities, and encounter and give your khakis more legitimacy – by pretending to be “protecting” the country!

In case of Pakistan – I do not know what it is – whether the indoctrination over a few decades has “paid off” and unalterably changed those little grey cells so that they can not survive without hate – so this process keeps faltering.

But democracy must be earned. If you guys truly wish that form of government, you will have to learn to love it and learn to want it at the grassroot level.

Besides, imposing democracy has not gone too well in the neighborhood. We tried it in Bangladesh – and it did not go so well! We tried to do a bit of that in Srilanka – and it did not work.

Unlike the Pakistanis, the Indians dp learn some lessons from history!

#498 Boomer

Boomer mian, I am sure that Urdu poetry is full of words of wisdom and gems of knowledge. (I am limited from enjoying it because I don’t know the language – but I am very satisfied with the Urdu/Hindi movie songs that our film industry was blessed with!)

The problem between the two countries could be solved in a jiffy if your “bhai zaans” limited themselves to that Urdu poetry. Those bhai-zaans ought to be the designated recipients of such advice.

The problem starts and remains because they do not appear to know how to sing from the right spot – the heart!

Where it truly counts!

As far as THIS yours truly is concerned!

They have sold their souls to the devil – and the large masses appear to follow them lock, stock, and barrel – ostensibly in khaki formations! And the so-called “intellectuals” make crappy hot air to justify the unjustifiable!

Re: # 50

Anti-Jehadi Funds :-

``....... what is stopping you from bombing muridke and mansoora and killing hafeez saeed and qazi hussain ? ........ these addresses are well know ............. trust me, if you did it nothing would happen - no escalation or nukes - musharraf is too busy rigging the next election ..... as a matter of fact most pakis would thank you after a show of public indignation ...... wimps !``

I fully endorse Hamidm..........come on Indians ...........stop talking BS and take action against these Jehadi leaders............pull in some money together, create an Anti-Jehadi Fund ........ put the ex-army men in charge of it and ask tehm to run it..let them recruit both Muslim as well as Hindus of all age............. infilterate them into Pakistan...........destroy the Jehadi targets and come back....................... the expenses would not be more than a few Crores ......... and Pakistanis would certainly celeberate this act......

Re: # 500


India must also carry on specific and covert strikes against the Jehadi leaders and their supporters...................It is important that these strikes must be carried out by private individuals with no affiliation with political or religious group.......

Re: # 487

BB has come forward and stated publically on the NDTV in the interview with karan thapar that if it gets democratically elected with powers of CEO she would finish off these organizations as well as the camps................India MUST back BB and ensure that she and NS are NOT bullied and are allowed to participate in the elections....................India must ensure that Mushy is also toppled and replaced with a friendly General after toppling him........................

Re: # 490 Tahmed
What part of my response that `no UN resolutions are needed for self-defense` and that the UN charter calls for all member states to not indulge in provocative acts did you not understand? And why are you silent on your country`s reckless use of terror as an instrument of state policy?

bjk:500
O.K read/listen to some urdu poetry , relax & share with others too.

bjk,

......... pardon me, but you guys are all talk and no show ....... what is stopping you from bombing muridke and mansoora and killing hafeez saeed and qazi hussain ? ........ these addresses are well know ............. trust me, if you did it nothing would happen - no escalation or nukes ..... as a matter of fact most pakis would thank you after a show of public indignation ...... wimps !

#495 Boomer

Although I can not understand it much, your trivia is exactly what it is supposed to represent!

Trivial!

Let me present something else to you – you may have heard of that term – it is called FACT!

Fact:

I am writing this over the weekend. Day after tomorrow is Monday – a weekday! The citizens of Mumbai are going to get up and are going to go about their usual busy lives – the events of the past week firmly put behind them. And they will continue to pursue their dreams for a better tomorrow – with freedom to make something positive of their lives – green terrorism or otherwise!

On the same day, the citizens of Pakistan will wake up exactly where they left the day on the last Friday!

In a dictatorship – under khaki boots! Where they have been languishing for almost three generations!

With the absolute certainty of many more days, months, and years just like the current one!

Cherish your green “victory” – and hang on to it! It suits you guys – and goes quite well with that khaki!

bjk:

India is a peninsula geographically as well as ...well! You are surrounded not only by water on three sides.

trivia:
Red Pepper was not known to the world before columbus. It went from the present day Americas ( Mexico to be precise) even to India. Today the consumption of red peppers in India is among the highest in the world.

They enjoy it. They have become innured to it; nay they love it.

#493 by echoboom

Mian boomer,

There is nothing intellectual about the hate and feelings of Muslims being “exclusive” that went into every one of your heads when you went on that binge and rampage in creating your land of the pure! And there is not an ounce of sincerity or honesty in the brainwashing that has been used on your collective minds.

Every one of you bears a moral responsibility for this outrage that was unleashed in Mumbai this past Tuesday!

So leave Muhammad Rafi alone – you guys don’t deserve him! He is all ours. He did not share the hatred that your lot displays here, and just as important – he was no coward!

You heard it right – he was no coward like your lot!

I do not refer to just the cowards who wrecked those trains – I talk of the whole lot of Pakistani “intellectuals” who are the true eunuchs of the subcontinent – who see what is wrong – who have the God-given ability to distinguish right from wrong – and who propagate falsity nevertheless.

And Muhammad Rafi did not promote the separatism and the “ends justify means” thought process that every one of your leaders (starting with the original vamp and built upon by everyone of your “brave” leaders) promoted into virtually everyone of your minds!

The poison you guys were nurtured on and that your leaders are busy trying to inject across!

It paralyzes your better judgment – for every one of you.

So leave the late Rafi alone – you guys don’t have the ability to sing his tunes of love!

Those who are the walking dead have no ability to sing – until their day of the dead actually arrives!

When intellectualitis goes into remission:
Although we all hail from different lands

http://www.saag.org/papers19/paper1880.html

PAKISTAN & MUMBAI--11/7
INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM MONITOR

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PAPER NO. 89
By B.Raman
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3. The Government of Pakistan and the jihadi organisations controlled by it have been following a dual policy with regard to jihadi terrorism in Indian territory..............

.7.There was a reversal of this policy from July,2005. Pakistani organisations resumed their acts of terrorism in the Indian territory outside J&K from July 5,2005, when they unsuccessfully attacked a Hindu temple at Ayodhya in Uttar Pradesh. This was followed by the twin explosions in a shopping area of New Delhi in October,2005, in which 59 civilians were killed, the attack on the participants in a conference of scientists at Bangalore in December,2005, resulting in the death of one scientist, the explosions in Varnasi, the Hindu holy town, in March, 2005, and the latest Mumbai attack of 11/7, which is the most serious and well-organised targetted attack on civilians since the March,1993 explosions in Mumbai.

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15. Since 1996, our policy towards Pakistan has lacked coherence, lucidity and single-minded determination to hurt it. Shri I.K.Gujral gave up the ``hit,hit`` and the psychological components in the hope that this unilateral gesture would make Pakistan change its ways. His hopes were belied.

16. The hopes of our intelligence agencies that the BJP-led Government would restore these components were belied too.One started feeling for the first time the impact of the US influence on our policy towards Pakistan. Fond hopes that the US would succeed in pressurising Musharraf to drop his jihadi sword have not materialised. The time has come for reverting back to the policy followed before 1996.

17.Talk, talk, bite, bite.

HE #483 What you say about separatists within India is true. Separatists exist in every country though. However, I for one am for stable national borders. The human cost of separatist movements is generally far greater than any benefits that the ordinary person gets. All he does is trade one set of incompetent rulers with another set.

What we must give top priority too in Pakistan is the law and order situation - which translates into rooting out the militant ``religious`` organizations. As I said earlier, it is important for Pakistanis that we put an end to their mischief (the latest killing being only yesterday which in turn has resulted in lawlessness and economic damage in karachi). wrt India, I agree that even if the government cleaned up these organizations like the US or Italy cleaned up the mafia, there would still be plenty of hatred left for Pakistan - since it is obvious (at least after coming to chowk) that there is tremendous resentment at the history of muslims in India, hindu jingoism and so forth. But such voices will then be relegated to the fringes. And even if they are not, it doesnt matter now and it wont matter then.

So, I think we are both largely saying the same thing.