Mumbai Rocked by Seven Bomb Blasts

All of you filthy paki terrorist scum country full of
terroist scum can do is bomb temples and trains and
kill innocent unarmed civilians.

what do you rotten scum achieve?? nothing, nothing
You will be more famous for terrorism and filth
which you are already famous for.

Re: # 430 zee
[... But Pakistanis need a strong ally, and who better than India...]

True... but indians need to see some signals from pakistani people that they indeed want an alliance with India... may be a strong protest march in support of the victims of mumbai will help...

As per Indian view of pakistan - it`s pretty negative right now and has been so since kargil... cricket friendship indeed helped a lot to reduce the bitterness and lasted as long as it could - but subsequent events have taken over those sentiments... and understandably so... at individual level people will still treat pakisanis well - but at a collective level, indians are sick of the whole thing... to most, pakistan`s behavior doesn`t make any sense any more....

``Pakistan already banned LeT in January 2002. ``

That`s just BS. LeT continues to operate freely in Pakistan, under a different name. Hafiz Sayeed is free along with almost all the other members.

Re: # 432 Tahmed
You don`t see the link between Pakistan`s proxy war in Kashmir, its tolerance of LeT/JeM and their acts of terror in India with nuclear deterrence? If that is the case, then I understand why you would feel pride in Pakistani nukes as you do. It also makes it clear that you do not understand how Pakistan uses terror as an instrument of state policy. I will be happy to educate, but there are enough legitimate resources on the Web that could do the same. I am truly surprised that you don`t realize the linkage.

#322 by tahmed32

Greetings.

Pakistan already banned LeT in January 2002. But this has not stopped the accusations. And it won`t.

India is unable to police its cities, unwilling to negotiate with Kashmiris & other separatist groups, and insincere with the peace process.

Blaming Pakistan is convenient. So Pakistan should treat these accusations as political gamesmanship and not overreact at all. Best we can do is offer help in the investigation and act on evidence (if India has any).

In baseball, they say never reach for the ball. This is a good offensive strategy and whenever a batter attempts be aggressive beyond his range, he strikes out.

Strategically, the militants made a serious mistake when they went in Bombay. They over reached! Their best bet was to continue doing what they were doing in the fringe cities leaving Bombay and Delhi alone.

These two cities are India and anytime they are hit, Indians will go crazy. The militant should have learned this after the aborted/failed attempt in Delhi in 2001.

For India, the blasts in Bombay are equal to attacks on WTC. As long as fundos were hitting the US outside of the US, the US had no compulsion to respond with its full force. So strategically, 9/11 was a supper blunder by the fundos as that forced the US to escalate the response manifold.

If the militant had continued outside of these two cities, India could have maintained a restrained response but now the gloves could be off and the militants have probably made the mistake that could probably bring the whole funda structure down in both India and Pakistan.

The problem with the rightwing nutcase thinking is that they believe in big bangs. The BJP decided to go for the nuke blast within six months of coming to power thus altering the balance in the subcontinent forever. Now Indians are forced to live with an army that would attempt to maintain its privileges in Pakistan even when it means confrontation with India. The big nuke bangs by BJP in 1998 tied the Indian hands. After eight long years slowly the specter of a nuke confrontation in the subcontinent is subsiding. However, it remains an option.

That forces Indians to limit their response to the fundos and just pressure the Pak army to deal with its fundamentalist parties. Indians cannot change the political hegemony of the army in Pakistan now, a possibility that existed before 1998.

Indians will have to come up with a well thought out plan that encompasses all the conflicts in the region. Otherwise, they will lose another opportunity to secure their cities.

If the Indian response is, what appears to be in the media then Indians should brace for a more aggressive militant actions in India.
After the militant blunder of going in to Bombay, the initiative rests with India and I hope they don’t lose it the way they always do.

To fellow Hindus,

U might have realized by now, all this talk and appeals for peace on and off Chowk is not going to help us.

It will not prevent any of our enemies to stop attacking us.
It will not make the Commie and Minority appeasing ba$tards in Delhi to protect us.

Our existence and security are not garunteed unless we make a cohesive and united front against the detractors. The time for action has come.

Let`s
1) Remove the scourge of Casteism from our society
2) Establish Gender equality
3) Extend political support only to political parties supportive of Hindus
4) Direct all monetary and non-monetary donations to Hindu organizations

Thanks,

Zeemax,

OK. Let me ask you a question. You said that it is the army that hates India.
Why is that? Because of Kashmir/1971/Siachin? What is it about India they hate?
What will make them stop hating India? Anything India that will do that will
stop this hate?

#433 by shishapa

Everyone has a right to their own space. Even a husband/wife cannot live under the same roof unless on an equal basis. India Pakistan`s relations too can only be on that basis of equality and fraternity. One must realize that after all there`s more in common between these two than apart, not only in the past but in the future as well.

That commonality is obscured by communalism and vested interests of all sorts. That recognition is required first to even begin working towards a solution.

Re: # 430

Zeemaxji,

Is it possible that when Hindus are not amongst them, Pakistanis will have immense
goodwill towards Indians/Hindus since they come either as guests or in no way
interfere with Pakistanis in day-to-day activities.
I mean when there were significant Hindus in Pakistan, they ended up leaving somehow.

In Kashmir I see the same thing. They hounded out Hindus amongst them and now
welcome Hindus/Indians as guests and protest at terrorists bombings and killing tourists.

And I do not think average Indian hates Pakistanis. I think he/she hates manifestations
of the misdeeds of the rulers of Pakistan (which is Army) and not average Pakistani.
If Nepal and SriLanka indulge in the same thing that Pakistan is doing today, you
will see Indians hostile to those nations as well. And which nation would not?

#429 Chowk is only about words, of course. And words are of course useful only as a form of discussion between people who consider themselves to be aiming for the same goal. So, I am glad we are having this chat. Coming to the rest of your post: You seem to link Pakistan`s nuclear deterrence (which I support for reasons explained) with Pakistan`s ``proxy war`` in kashmir (which I dont, and never have). I dont see any linkage. What is the link that you see?

Re: # 427

Khamkhwaji,

I am asking a sincere question, so what should Indians do to prove that they are not eunuchs IYO?

#423 by mohar11

Mohar, tell me. I have been wondering whether the sentiments expressed on these boards by many Indians are more epresentative of the Indian view of Pakistan, or of those who come to watch the cricket matches and gush about the unexpected experience. Which one is more reflective of Pakistan/India relations in the eyes of its people?

Let me answer my own question. There`s absolutely no hatred in Pakistanis for India, on the contrary there`s a lot of respect and comraderie and a genuine desire to communicate. It`s the army that hates India. Pakistanis have always looked towards India`s culture and music as something precious of which they were a part, but somehow lost along the way. Meeting Indians reminds them of that lost heritage muddied and bloodied ... but also that it survives. That`s the common bond that noone can break.

So do try. If democracy worked for you, it will work for Pakistan. If democracy could alleviate your problems of extreme poverty and disease, Pakistan`s are nothing in comparison. But Pakistanis need a strong ally, and who better than India.

Re: # 423 Tahmed

I think that you won`t get this, but I will try:

Bhutto`s and all his successors efforts to improve defenses of Pakistan have only emboldened your leaders to pursue policies of reckless provocation of neighbors. Security could have been had (and still be had) much more reasonably. Of couse, you know that.

But what I dont understand is why you are quick to brandish your nukes when you know very well what policies they are being used to support? Where does your righteousnes go then? It leads many to believe that you value nuclear weapons (and along with it the recklessness that your leaders demonstrate) more than your neighbors` security concerns. How would you characterize a neighborhood bully who every now and then breaks your windows, but won`t be responsible enough to mend his ways? When you complain to his parents, they glower with pride at his new martial prowess!! That is the image that you project on Chowk.

You see, affirmation of propositions do not amount to much. Deeds, not words, count. And since Chowk is mostly about words, your record is pretty much one-sided.

i am pakistani. what is ethical in this situation on pak. part atleast is to admit that we screwed up and more importantly how did we get to this point in the first place instead of blaming our ills/dictators on india and mocking at their lack of whatever. that`s the first step.

...indians are a nation of eunuchs...chowk confirms it...you guys are useless...talk talk talk talk talk...;)