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#554 Posted by harish_hyd on July 18, 2006 12:42:47 am
#551 by number
There is no compulsion in Islam and those who defy His laws will be punished by Him, when time comes. No one is asking anybody to convert to Islam. Islam teaches us to respect other religions.
The same old balderash that many Muslims use to defend the acts of their co-religionists. I hope this gentleman is not the typical ``educated Muslim`` or the problem is graver than I thought.
There is no compulsion in Islam and those who defy His laws will be punished by Him, when time comes. No one is asking anybody to convert to Islam. Islam teaches us to respect other religions.
The same old balderash that many Muslims use to defend the acts of their co-religionists. I hope this gentleman is not the typical ``educated Muslim`` or the problem is graver than I thought.
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#553 Posted by harish_hyd on July 17, 2006 9:59:07 pm
#534 by Mantolives
No... not internet forums. As for your not having heard anything ... I frankly don`t care.
You do care Yasser or you wouldn`t mention it here.
As to your admission, it means zilch, considering the fact that Paki complicity was already exposed. Now if the Americans proved that Pakistan is behind the Taliban campaign to burn down schools (not that no one knows that already), you would be very forthcoming with an admission. Pakis admit really very fast when confronted with facts.
No... not internet forums. As for your not having heard anything ... I frankly don`t care.
You do care Yasser or you wouldn`t mention it here.
As to your admission, it means zilch, considering the fact that Paki complicity was already exposed. Now if the Americans proved that Pakistan is behind the Taliban campaign to burn down schools (not that no one knows that already), you would be very forthcoming with an admission. Pakis admit really very fast when confronted with facts.
#552 Posted by anil on July 17, 2006 2:48:34 pm
Re: # 538
Yasser:
I guess we surprised each other.... Let respect it.... Hopefully, you accept my positions.
Anil
Yasser:
I guess we surprised each other.... Let respect it.... Hopefully, you accept my positions.
Anil
#551 Posted by number on July 17, 2006 2:25:19 pm
Re: # 549 Raw_Dust
As a muslim, I believe in the sovereignty of Allah (swt) on earth, actually on the Universe.
Remember, He is the creator of the Universe. There is no compulsion in Islam and those
who defy His laws will be punished by Him, when time comes. No one is asking anybody
to convert to Islam. Islam teaches us to respect other religions.
As a muslim, I believe in the sovereignty of Allah (swt) on earth, actually on the Universe.
Remember, He is the creator of the Universe. There is no compulsion in Islam and those
who defy His laws will be punished by Him, when time comes. No one is asking anybody
to convert to Islam. Islam teaches us to respect other religions.
#550 Posted by nasah on July 17, 2006 2:12:16 pm
The worst ENEMY of he Muslims -- either in India or Canada or in Spain or in British Isles and of course in the United States is not a Hindu, not a Jew, not even THAT born again Christian (the dumb guy is only a country breeder and owner of his K9 Killers Kennel), -- it is the Muslim and the Muslim alone nobody else
-- go ahead kill the deviant bastards wherever you can find them -- as it happened rightly so in Afghanistan -- you will only do a favor to the community -- but don`t blame the community.....as you wont blame your community for what you are or how you turned out -- would you -- there is no collective guilt....
as Salim rightly says -- the Hashashins of Wahabism will meet the same fate that the followers of Batini scourage Hassan bin al Sabbah met at the hands of Mongol sons.
-- go ahead kill the deviant bastards wherever you can find them -- as it happened rightly so in Afghanistan -- you will only do a favor to the community -- but don`t blame the community.....as you wont blame your community for what you are or how you turned out -- would you -- there is no collective guilt....
as Salim rightly says -- the Hashashins of Wahabism will meet the same fate that the followers of Batini scourage Hassan bin al Sabbah met at the hands of Mongol sons.
#549 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 17, 2006 1:38:20 pm
Re#548 number:
If you believe in sovereignty of Allah on earth - it is only logical to work to enforce Allah`s Law, i.e., Islam on entire humanity and those who openly found in defiance of Allah`s rules should be made to submit. No?
And if that`s the case, you seriously think that the Un-Jihadi world would convert to Islam on Security Council`s table in UN?
If you believe in sovereignty of Allah on earth - it is only logical to work to enforce Allah`s Law, i.e., Islam on entire humanity and those who openly found in defiance of Allah`s rules should be made to submit. No?
And if that`s the case, you seriously think that the Un-Jihadi world would convert to Islam on Security Council`s table in UN?
#548 Posted by number on July 17, 2006 1:30:54 pm
Re: # 545 Raw_Dust
I believe that complete and total submission of the entire world is under the sovereignty of
Allah (swt). I do not have my fancy UN. There is only one UN. We do not know if they
believe in the UN. I thought that it was worth trying.
I believe that complete and total submission of the entire world is under the sovereignty of
Allah (swt). I do not have my fancy UN. There is only one UN. We do not know if they
believe in the UN. I thought that it was worth trying.
#547 Posted by number on July 17, 2006 1:03:34 pm
Re: # 546 Mohar 11
I thought that it was worth trying and I believe that this route has not yet been explored.
I thought that it was worth trying and I believe that this route has not yet been explored.
#546 Posted by mohar11 on July 17, 2006 11:14:30 am
Re: # 543 Dr
[...I am wondering if it is possible to bring the two sides, the leaders of the terrorists and those against whom they have grievances...]
Think about it - the guy who bombed a railway station in varanasi[or somewhere] last year said that the reason for him was that the station building arcitecture resembled a hindu temple... so he bombed it...
When you get together with these guys - what exactly are you going to talk to them?... what are you going to offer? what can they give you in return?....
these people are running on islamic ideologies - which has completely taken over their being - like some ancient virus, it has eaten away their capacity to think.... there is no civilzed way to deal with them...
[...I am wondering if it is possible to bring the two sides, the leaders of the terrorists and those against whom they have grievances...]
Think about it - the guy who bombed a railway station in varanasi[or somewhere] last year said that the reason for him was that the station building arcitecture resembled a hindu temple... so he bombed it...
When you get together with these guys - what exactly are you going to talk to them?... what are you going to offer? what can they give you in return?....
these people are running on islamic ideologies - which has completely taken over their being - like some ancient virus, it has eaten away their capacity to think.... there is no civilzed way to deal with them...
#545 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 17, 2006 11:10:05 am
number:
respectfully sir: do you really think jihadis believe in anything than complete, total submission of the entire world under the sovereignty of Allah? What if they dont believe in your fancy UN?
respectfully sir: do you really think jihadis believe in anything than complete, total submission of the entire world under the sovereignty of Allah? What if they dont believe in your fancy UN?
#544 Posted by HP on July 17, 2006 11:01:52 am
Since when Fazl rehamn is Taliban? He is/was a legitimate political leader-corrupt maybe- in Pakistan politics long before Taliban ever came on the scene. His party was a coalition partner with the most secular party (NAP) in Pakistan in both NWFP and Balochistan in 1972.
Reading the idiots again. Okay the Pakistan army is playing games but is the US so idiot that it cant see the game? It wants the Pak army to bomb them in wazistan but has been so generous to allow the pak army to train Taliban in Quetta…Can Pak army fool the US so easily…Any more conspiracy theories?
What abt the Americans/ NATO and the afghan border guards? Are they Taliban supporters too? You guys defy logic so completely...
What abt the infamous moral ministry...Karazi under Pakistani influence now?
#543 Posted by number on July 17, 2006 10:59:59 am
I am an indian-born canadian muslim, now living in India. I have read 125 interacts so far. If I wait to interact after reading all the interacts, it might be too late. So here is my interact, with the hope that no one will shoot me by not agreeing with me.
I believe that terrorists are human and that they are acting in inhuman way due to their
foolishness and helplessness. I am not in any way, condoning their inhuman actions.
Just cursing them is not enough.
I am wondering if it is possible to bring the two sides, the leaders of the terrorists and those
against whom they have grievances, together under the auspices of the United Nations and
try to find a solution to the problem. This sounds very simple, but difficult to put into
action. Nothing is impossible.
Respectfully submitted
Regards
Dr. Syed Asadulla
I believe that terrorists are human and that they are acting in inhuman way due to their
foolishness and helplessness. I am not in any way, condoning their inhuman actions.
Just cursing them is not enough.
I am wondering if it is possible to bring the two sides, the leaders of the terrorists and those
against whom they have grievances, together under the auspices of the United Nations and
try to find a solution to the problem. This sounds very simple, but difficult to put into
action. Nothing is impossible.
Respectfully submitted
Regards
Dr. Syed Asadulla
#542 Posted by sadna on July 17, 2006 10:47:42 am
Raw_Dust#541
Fazlur Rehman `brokered` a compromise in Waziristan- sthing like the Taliban would get a free hand and in exchange it would stop attacking the Pak Army. The other quid pro quo is - in exchange for Pak Army support for the Taliban, Fazlur Rehman is refusing to denounce Mushy`s uniform or Presidentship or reelection. This has been pointed out in many places including in Pakistani press itself and the so-called outrage on this thread is completely and totally fake.
Fazlur Rehman `brokered` a compromise in Waziristan- sthing like the Taliban would get a free hand and in exchange it would stop attacking the Pak Army. The other quid pro quo is - in exchange for Pak Army support for the Taliban, Fazlur Rehman is refusing to denounce Mushy`s uniform or Presidentship or reelection. This has been pointed out in many places including in Pakistani press itself and the so-called outrage on this thread is completely and totally fake.
#541 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 17, 2006 10:40:23 am
Paki Army excels in this game. We have seen it in Karachi when Army funded altaf hussein to stir up trouble against BB`s government`88 - once altaf joined isi backed opposition in the parliament. Then the same army took some mqm guys out to split mqm into two. They gave altaf group hell during mid 90s with killings and torture while the other gang of murderers - haqiqi terrorized areas in karachi with their full backing. Now, the same army has mqm altaf on their side.
So, it is not surprising to see pakistani army doing various deals with taliban, their tribal supporters and baloch sardars if and when it suits them.
So, it is not surprising to see pakistani army doing various deals with taliban, their tribal supporters and baloch sardars if and when it suits them.
#540 Posted by sadna on July 17, 2006 10:39:09 am
#538
It hardly matters to me what you think of me or my post - like Pakis have consistently abused me for years for posting articles and book excerpts about the barbarity of LeT and Pakistani complicity, so now you are doing wrt the barbarity of the Taliban and Pakistani complicity.
The world is however not confined to posters on chowk.com and the Taliban is a very real problem for Pakistan and Afghanistan. But what becomes clear on such occasions is that no one, absolutely no one can fool themselves that dishonest unprincipled Pakistanis like you are ever going to be part of any solution, either with respect to the LeT or with respect to the Taliban. It is going to need open war, which is what I said in #522 and #523.
It hardly matters to me what you think of me or my post - like Pakis have consistently abused me for years for posting articles and book excerpts about the barbarity of LeT and Pakistani complicity, so now you are doing wrt the barbarity of the Taliban and Pakistani complicity.
The world is however not confined to posters on chowk.com and the Taliban is a very real problem for Pakistan and Afghanistan. But what becomes clear on such occasions is that no one, absolutely no one can fool themselves that dishonest unprincipled Pakistanis like you are ever going to be part of any solution, either with respect to the LeT or with respect to the Taliban. It is going to need open war, which is what I said in #522 and #523.
#539 Posted by HP on July 17, 2006 10:27:59 am
#528 and a couple of funny psts from the same person..
The article in thebulletin is another example of lunatic writing stuff on the net and another set of crazies believing them.
That article defies all logic. The author claims that “The evidence of this connection is abundant: Taliban leaders strut openly around Quetta, Pakistan, where they are provided with offices and government-issued weapons authorization cards; Pakistani army officers are detailed to Taliban training camps; and Pakistani border guards constantly wave self-proclaimed Taliban through checkpoints into Afghanistan.”
This article was published in April/mar of 2006. Any idiot who reads newspapers would know that for the last one year or so the Pakistan army has been bombing Wazirstan almost weekly and nearly 80k Pak army personnel are out there to fight the Taliban/militant and its supporters. Pakistan has taken many causalities and the fight is real. But if we take this article seriously, then we find out just a few hundred miles south near Chaman, the same Pakistan army is training the same Taliban and militants that it is fighting in Waziristan, does that make sense at all?
The fun part starts when we find out the Pak army action in Waziristan is under the US pressure and support. But the Same US is so stupid that it allows the Pak army officers to be detailed to Taliban training camps just a few hundred miles south.
Does this idiot writer and the equally idiot that believe her, also believe that the US KNOWS nothing abt what is going on in Chamman/Quetta but knows everything that goes on in Waziristan?
The stupid author writes and her equally stupid believers believe that the Taliban travel thru the regular checkposts and the Pakistan guard let them pass. What abt the American/Nato and the Afghan guards on the afghan side of the border, do they wave Taliban off to Pakistan without questioning them? Are American/NATO and Afghan border guards Taliban supporters too?
The US has been in Afghanistan for the last 4 ½ years and if it has failed to reign in the Taliban inside the Afghanistan, then who should take the blame for it? The US and the Karzai regime and not Pakistan.
Just a few days ago, the Karzai regime decided to reconstitute the well-known moral ministry of Taliban….Did Pakistan force Karzai to do that Sadna?
The article in thebulletin is another example of lunatic writing stuff on the net and another set of crazies believing them.
That article defies all logic. The author claims that “The evidence of this connection is abundant: Taliban leaders strut openly around Quetta, Pakistan, where they are provided with offices and government-issued weapons authorization cards; Pakistani army officers are detailed to Taliban training camps; and Pakistani border guards constantly wave self-proclaimed Taliban through checkpoints into Afghanistan.”
This article was published in April/mar of 2006. Any idiot who reads newspapers would know that for the last one year or so the Pakistan army has been bombing Wazirstan almost weekly and nearly 80k Pak army personnel are out there to fight the Taliban/militant and its supporters. Pakistan has taken many causalities and the fight is real. But if we take this article seriously, then we find out just a few hundred miles south near Chaman, the same Pakistan army is training the same Taliban and militants that it is fighting in Waziristan, does that make sense at all?
The fun part starts when we find out the Pak army action in Waziristan is under the US pressure and support. But the Same US is so stupid that it allows the Pak army officers to be detailed to Taliban training camps just a few hundred miles south.
Does this idiot writer and the equally idiot that believe her, also believe that the US KNOWS nothing abt what is going on in Chamman/Quetta but knows everything that goes on in Waziristan?
The stupid author writes and her equally stupid believers believe that the Taliban travel thru the regular checkposts and the Pakistan guard let them pass. What abt the American/Nato and the Afghan guards on the afghan side of the border, do they wave Taliban off to Pakistan without questioning them? Are American/NATO and Afghan border guards Taliban supporters too?
The US has been in Afghanistan for the last 4 ½ years and if it has failed to reign in the Taliban inside the Afghanistan, then who should take the blame for it? The US and the Karzai regime and not Pakistan.
Just a few days ago, the Karzai regime decided to reconstitute the well-known moral ministry of Taliban….Did Pakistan force Karzai to do that Sadna?
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