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alphanull:
O.K you did whet my desire here. No I never seek mystic thrills. That to me is worse than voodoo.

Thanks again for your immense help.

echoboom #611

Granted that what you wrote was tongue-in-cheek, I’ll still say the following: The ‘concrete’ in the first book’s title is really a conflation of ‘continuous’ and ‘discrete’ – it’s also ‘concrete’ as opposed to the unrelenting pursuit of abstraction that was the hallmark (and according to some, the bane) of 20th century mathematics. That book is not really about civil engineering. Behind the friendly exterior, it’s a pursuit of mathematical totalitarianism. So-called applied, ‘practical-minded’ people loathe it. It’s a first-rate book by first-rate people. I chose the best book I know of, bar none, for someone of your background wanting to really learn about Fibonacci numbers. That is, if you are interested in more than a flimsy or cursory acquaintance and are not just looking for cheap mystical thrills.

If you truly wish to avoid mathematics that has the slightest utilitarian connection you should abandon Fibonnaci numbers forthwith – they drop very naturally out of a whole lot of practically useful stuff (for the easiest example – they figure in the analysis of Euclid’s algorithm). But really, it’s your loss.

Alphanull:610

Thanks.

The idea is to share what some of us have gleaned, no matter how flimsy or cursory, from our readings. I for one neither have the faculties nor the inclination for the ``concrete`` side of maths. In my opinion , the moment it becomes ``useful`` it ceases to be learning.

I am more interested in the ``poetry`` or, if you will, in the ``philosophy`` of mathematics . I have no zeal for utilitarian learning--esp. the kind which has even a remote possibility of getting tainted by money.

P.S treat the above as somewhat tongue-in-cheek; but only somewhat--it has more tongue and less cheek or maybe vice-versa :)

echobooom #598, #609 etc.

Sahib, since you periodically profess your great love of and fascination with mathematics, I suggest you get hold of this book and work through it. It will teach you a great deal about Fibonacci numbers, golden ratio, and a whole lot else, in appropriate mathematical context. It’s a demanding but enjoyable book.

If yu’re too lazy to learn real math, you might try Mario Livio’s recent The Golden Ratio. It will give you the historical context and art and architectural connections of the Golden Ratio. Its not into numerological mysticism however.

Working through either of these books makes more sense than these OT discussions on Chowk.

Numberdaar sahib:

Janaab Numberdaar sahib, Hum aap sey Fibonacci sequence kay baray meiN aap kay apnay afkaar pata krnaa chah rahay thhay. yahaaN Aap nay humaaraa hee google nikal kay rakh diyaa.

bUrRay numberi niklay aap toa.

Re: # 609 by echoboom

Please see # 624 to avoid repetition.

Thank you

Re: # 609



LOL

after Numberdar ki numberi.... may I be allowed to put in another number...

for example...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio


and


http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.golden.ratio.html

Zeemax:
Thanks for bringing Mandelbrot to my attention.

The Mandelbrot set somehow equates the concept of ` the tiniest and the biggest, nowhere and everywhere at the same time, repeating itself in every manifestation` and much else.

#598 by echoboom

Yes. I asked this question because I was fascinated with the Mandelbrot set. Where do these patterns come from? And they`re all the same .... unending .... and identical ... regardless where you look.

Awaiting Mr. number`s response, if he graces us i.e. ....

Re: # 599 by zeemax

In response to #598 by echoboom, I have indicated in #606, how to get access to golden
rectange and golden mean. You can similarly get access to mandelbrot set.

I hope that this helps.

Zeemax:

Of all the disciplines I find mathematics to be the most fascinating in seeing Allah`s ``jalvaa``.
This path , sometimes I feel, leads you to the ``cutting-edge`` of gnosticism. All other ``scientific`` raes are of course the sub-text of mathematics themselves.

There is a huge difference between numbers as ``counts`` and numbers as ``absolutes``. This is where `` Jaltay haiN jibraeel kay pUr jiss maquam pUr``

Mr. Number would do us a favour if he can regale us with concept of the ``golden-rectangle`` & hence the golden-mean which occurs in nature as one of His signs.

Re: # 598 by echoboom

Thanks for asking me about golden rectangle and golden mean.
Please go to google.com and search for golden rectangle. There you will find a number of
topics about golden rectangle and golden mean.

I hope that this helps.

#594 by echoboom

1647 ... amazing.

If buttercups buzz`d after the bee,
If boats were on land, churches on sea,
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
If the mamas sold their babies
To the gypsies for half a crown;
If summer were spring and the other way round,
Then all the world would be upside down.

Where do you get this stuff?

#592 by number

Number ... I find you very interesting.

Tell me ... I know there`re many paths/disciplines one can follow to arrive at the conclusion of Allah. One can follow art, literature, music, physics, chemistry and so forth ... all leading to the same conclusion.

Did you arrive at the conclusion through mathematics? Can Allah`s truth be proven mathematically?

Ignore this if it`s a silly question. I was just curious.

Re: # 596 by zeemax

Thanks again for the nice words. It is not a silly question. I did not arrive at the conclusion
mathematically. It was a simple question. Who is Allah (swt)? The simple answer is: He
is the one who created the universe, you and me.