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#571 by number

Is it a crime to tell you who I am?

Uncle Jee, I didn`t say telling about yourselves is a crime, do so by all means. All I`m saying is that I`m not interested in talking about what I am and what I do on a forum that I come to pass time, that`s all.

What are we afraid of? Come on. Let us tell each other who we are.

There is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Just that there is no point.

Re: # 577 by harish_hyd

Dear Nephew: I am glad that the battle (or is it war?) between uncle and nephew is over.
It would be nice to know who we are interacting with.

muslim terrorists kill bombaywallahs...where`s the islamist terrorist sympathizer FV now?

harish_hyd #554

Harish:

I don’t know if the gentleman should be categorised as typical of educated Muslims; I hope not. At any rate, please take a good look at his interactor page and in particular at his long series of ilog entries on ‘Islam and Arithmetic’. Highly instructive.

Re: # 575 by AlephNull

Thanks for the nice words.

Urstruly:
& zeemax 568

i am a vicarious beneficiary of your keen insight of the state of affairs in our Pakistan. Please do not feel bad if I count myself also as one who is awed by your profuse & profound
interacts.

CHOWK has really come a long way from the days when the bhoora/bhoree-farangis/farangans, hogged these spaces. How long the 2-number maal, the totaa-mainaa-bunder, could last?

As I`ve always maintained : If you do not go to the madressa, the madressa will come to you.

...contd...#568

And yes I`ve been following the proceedings conducted by Rehmat Husain Jaffery. This is the guy who is an impeccable judge and had practically exonerated NS in the hijacking case by giving him enough grounds to be let-off on appeal despite musharraf`s pressure. He did this by letting-off everyone else on the same evidence. Rehmat Jaffery seems to be of the view that Nishtar Park was NOT a suicide operation. There was some suspicious wooden frame on the stage which blew up.

Do elaborate.

#565 by Urstruly

Urstruly, I have read your previous articles on this forum, and I have great respect for your ability in deciphering details. Would you care to elaborate that if this is a red-herring, towards what objective? But there were pieces of leg and stuff as well. I`m totally perplexed. Yes the Nishtar Park episode was weird and no clue yet even though the failed bombers of Musharraf, Aziz as well as the Corp Commander, all were all found, tried and executed in a jiffy.... no problem.

Helppppp!

Re: # 568

Thank you for the kind adulation.

I classify religious violence in Pakistan in two categories. The first category is the shia-sunni violence that started right after the Islamic revolution in Iran. The initiators of this violence were the CIA funded organizations like sipah-e-sahaba and couple others. There is an unsubstantiated rumor that Saudis may have also funded these organizations, acting as a conduit, but it seems unlikely; since this funding could have very well be done through zia regime. Anyway, this worked very well and shias are caught in a revenge cycle from which they cannot get out. The idea was to prevent shias from delivering their revolutionary message to sunni masses. It is absolutely possible to stop tyhis cycle of violence if sunni ullema put a united front and mobilize masses in support of shias but they wont. The reason is that, those moulvis who vield the street power belong to the oppressive ruling class. They have their vested interests to keep the status quo in support of dictatorship and neo-colonial agenda in this country. They are doing a pretty good job of it.

The second category of religious violence is that which started after 9/11. It is a targeted and concerted effort to assassinate those ulema who have nothing to do with shi-sunni violence. Instead some of them were greatest proponents of the shia sunni unity. A couple of biggest names are Moulana Yusuf Ludhianvi Shaheed and Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai shaheed. Together there are about 55 to 60 ulema (excuding Nishtar Park Shaheeds) that have fallen martyr in this category. These were the ulema who did not hold any political power and never sought one. Their crime however, was that they were guiding people towards the righteous path in the hindsight of the neo-colonial invasion of this country. They were the real threat to the military dicatorship and to the corrupt ruling class and neocolonial aggression. The new direction from the neo-colonial masters to their minions is to ``de-Islamize`` the country. The idea is that if a country can be ``Islamized`` and recruited to fight a war (against USSR) then it can also be de-Islamized to become the cogs in the big wheel of global colonialism. As if the Iman of a nation can be turned off or on with a switch at will.

The theory of targeted assassination is new and still undergoing testing. The theory was put in practice by Israelies in the last three or four years when they started a campaign of targeted assasination of Palestinian leadership. Pakistani dicatatorship adopted the startegy round about the same time. In Palestine at least it seems to have failed since Hamas won big time despite the elimination of the big names from its top echelon.

In my opinion this theory is based on old paradigm - the paradigm of ``headless chicken``. This theory would have worked quite well in colonial era Muslim lands but decades and centuries of colonial oppression and installation of proxy governments in Muslim lands in post colonial era have forced people to evolve and improvise and the novety that has emerged is termed by west is ``cellular leadership``. A cell constitutes of small group of people and various groups work independently towrads one ideology and one goal. So the elimination of one leader through assassination and corruption has limited or no effect on the greater movement.

Cont`d from # 572

The following did not print at the bottom of my last post. Anyway....

In the recent months there is a new element that has been introduced in the targeted assasissinations of ulemmas. This element is the assassinations through suicide attacks or at least give an impression that the attacks are being done by suicides. This policy has worked quite well in Iraq in pitting shias against sunnis. It works well if it is done by those who are actually charged with investigation and declaring it a suicide attack as well. In Pakistan the Nishtar Park was the first botched operation that has exposed conclusively as to what is going on. That is the reason every testicle of this corrupt ruling class went out of the way to repeat ad nauseum that attack was suicide attack as if they had witnessed it themselves. The objective of this strategy, as it must have been evident by now, is to turn those cellular leaderships against each other as mentioned earlier. My estimate is that the policy would fail.

Not sure why so much importance is being given to what the US says at this point. India is way ahead of the US in terms of being a target for attacks from Pakistani soil but the US eventually gets there.

Before October 2001, inspite of its brutal attacks on Indian civilians for 7-8 years, Laskhar E Toiba was not even banned by the US. However since then, the US has been convicting Americans for associating with LeT, inspite of defense lawyers` protestations that LeT had not been banned by the US before October 2001. The same prudence is being shown by the Australian govt and prob. the French and Canadian govts.

India had been talking of training camps run by Pakistan for many years - after 9/11 the US invaded Afghanistan and cleaned them up.

The US are slow learners but they will get there someday

Mantolives #561 {``Do you think you are Goldameir or something? ``}

Manto Bhai,
NO! don`t let the physical resemblance fool you. :)