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#552 Posted by anil on July 17, 2006 2:48:34 pm
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Yasser:
I guess we surprised each other.... Let respect it.... Hopefully, you accept my positions.
Anil
Yasser:
I guess we surprised each other.... Let respect it.... Hopefully, you accept my positions.
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#537 Posted by sadna on July 17, 2006 9:13:36 am
Firstly, where have I tried to ``pass off`` the Bulletin article as a Guardian article - I have listed the three separate URLs of all three articles for everyone to see and read for themselves. Secondly how can anything I do negate the contents of the three articles which make it clear that the Taliban is burning schools and that Taliban is armed and supported by the Pakistan military?
You only expose yourself yet again as a dishonest liar which is no surprise.
You only expose yourself yet again as a dishonest liar which is no surprise.
#535 Posted by MantoLives on July 17, 2006 8:56:37 am
Sadna...
Nothing is amply clear from 528 except that you would stretch anything to prove your lies...
Do you deny that the Guardian article did not accuse Pakistan... but the Bulletin did but you tried to pass it off as one?
Please show me where in this article that you quoted is Pakistan blamed:
``http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1731929,00.html
Playground has become battleground in the Afghan south, where the resurgent Taliban have launched a fierce campaign of arson, intimidation and assassination that has closed 200 schools in recent months and left 100,000 students at home.
Teachers are in the front line. In December assassins dragged a man who defied warnings to stop teaching girls from his classroom in Nad Ali, another Helmand district, and shot him at the school gate. Four other teachers have been killed and hundreds more threatened with ``night letters`` - handwritten notices delivered in the dark, ordering them to stop teaching or die. ..
Sixty-six of Helmand`s 224 schools have closed, he said, and others have scaled back classes as parents move their children to the safety of the main towns. Even there, protection is uncertain. Two days after the Nad Ali murder, gunmen burst into Karte Laghan secondary school in the provincial capital, Laskhar Gah, killing a watchman and a student. The attack occurred less than a mile from the new British base. ``
It seems to me that you are a dishonest person that you will anything to vent your hatred against Pakistan... you have no evidence, just lies and more lies and some journalese pieces... Have some shame at long last... even McCarthy would be respectable compared to you.
Nothing is amply clear from 528 except that you would stretch anything to prove your lies...
Do you deny that the Guardian article did not accuse Pakistan... but the Bulletin did but you tried to pass it off as one?
Please show me where in this article that you quoted is Pakistan blamed:
``http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1731929,00.html
Playground has become battleground in the Afghan south, where the resurgent Taliban have launched a fierce campaign of arson, intimidation and assassination that has closed 200 schools in recent months and left 100,000 students at home.
Teachers are in the front line. In December assassins dragged a man who defied warnings to stop teaching girls from his classroom in Nad Ali, another Helmand district, and shot him at the school gate. Four other teachers have been killed and hundreds more threatened with ``night letters`` - handwritten notices delivered in the dark, ordering them to stop teaching or die. ..
Sixty-six of Helmand`s 224 schools have closed, he said, and others have scaled back classes as parents move their children to the safety of the main towns. Even there, protection is uncertain. Two days after the Nad Ali murder, gunmen burst into Karte Laghan secondary school in the provincial capital, Laskhar Gah, killing a watchman and a student. The attack occurred less than a mile from the new British base. ``
It seems to me that you are a dishonest person that you will anything to vent your hatred against Pakistan... you have no evidence, just lies and more lies and some journalese pieces... Have some shame at long last... even McCarthy would be respectable compared to you.
#534 Posted by MantoLives on July 17, 2006 8:52:49 am
Harish hyd,
No... not internet forums. As for your not having heard anything ... I frankly don`t care.
1. Not only do I admit it... but I say Pakistan Army should have invaded Kashmir in 1947. It was that rebellious Gracey, who was Mountbatten`s agent in the whole thing, who refused to.
2. Kargill was ill-thought out and badly planned and came at a time when it was too late. It was a great strategic mistake.
3. Dawood Ibrahim should be arrested and handed over to India for trial...
No... not internet forums. As for your not having heard anything ... I frankly don`t care.
1. Not only do I admit it... but I say Pakistan Army should have invaded Kashmir in 1947. It was that rebellious Gracey, who was Mountbatten`s agent in the whole thing, who refused to.
2. Kargill was ill-thought out and badly planned and came at a time when it was too late. It was a great strategic mistake.
3. Dawood Ibrahim should be arrested and handed over to India for trial...
#533 Posted by sadna on July 17, 2006 8:49:31 am
It is amply clear from #528 that Pak-sponsored terrorists are in fact burning down Afghan schools but Mantolives pretends to be offended by the spaces in my post to avoid acknowledging the words in it. 
#532 Posted by TheOne on July 17, 2006 5:07:49 am
Indian cricket board is behind these attacks. Pakistan has moved up in test and ODI rankings so they are looking for an excuse to boycott the next tour.
#531 Posted by harish_hyd on July 17, 2006 4:57:56 am
#525 by Mantolives
I will continue to fight the Jehadis and Islamists on the right forums... I will however continue to expose your compatriots` lies on this one.
You mean Internet forums? Because outside of that, no one has ever heard of your ``fight`` with Jihadis and Islamists.
As for lies, I`ll give you a couple of examples.
1. 1947-48 - Pakistan denied that the tribal Lashkars that had invaded J&K were Paki Armymen masquerading as tribals. When India produced a few of them to the media, Pakistan admitted that they were Paki Army regulars, but that they were on leave and had joined the movement on their own without the Paki Army`s knowledge.
2. 1999 - Pakistan claimed that the men who had occupied the heights in the Kargil sector were Mujahideen and not Paki Army men as the Indian government had claimed. As the war heated up, Pakistan refused to accept the bodies of its men, for such acceptance would expose its involvement. After resentment brew amongst the relatives of those killed over the refusal of the Paki Army to perform the last rites for the dead soldiers with military honors, Pakistan silently accepted the bodies and even decorated some of the dead with posthumous bravery awards.
3. For years, Pakistan denied that Dawood Ibrahim was in Pakistan despite repeated assertions by Indian intelligence that the man lived a life of comfort (protected of course by Paki agencies) in Karachi`s Clifton area.
Then came Ghulam Hasnain of the magazine Newsline who exposed the Paki lie and published pictures of Dawood`s residence and wrote at length of his activities. Paki sleuths abducted Hasnain, beat him up for 3 full days and threw him back on to the road when protests from Journalists (I`m sure you were not one of them) got too hot.
I will continue to fight the Jehadis and Islamists on the right forums... I will however continue to expose your compatriots` lies on this one.
You mean Internet forums? Because outside of that, no one has ever heard of your ``fight`` with Jihadis and Islamists.
As for lies, I`ll give you a couple of examples.
1. 1947-48 - Pakistan denied that the tribal Lashkars that had invaded J&K were Paki Armymen masquerading as tribals. When India produced a few of them to the media, Pakistan admitted that they were Paki Army regulars, but that they were on leave and had joined the movement on their own without the Paki Army`s knowledge.
2. 1999 - Pakistan claimed that the men who had occupied the heights in the Kargil sector were Mujahideen and not Paki Army men as the Indian government had claimed. As the war heated up, Pakistan refused to accept the bodies of its men, for such acceptance would expose its involvement. After resentment brew amongst the relatives of those killed over the refusal of the Paki Army to perform the last rites for the dead soldiers with military honors, Pakistan silently accepted the bodies and even decorated some of the dead with posthumous bravery awards.
3. For years, Pakistan denied that Dawood Ibrahim was in Pakistan despite repeated assertions by Indian intelligence that the man lived a life of comfort (protected of course by Paki agencies) in Karachi`s Clifton area.
Then came Ghulam Hasnain of the magazine Newsline who exposed the Paki lie and published pictures of Dawood`s residence and wrote at length of his activities. Paki sleuths abducted Hasnain, beat him up for 3 full days and threw him back on to the road when protests from Journalists (I`m sure you were not one of them) got too hot.
#530 Posted by MantoLives on July 17, 2006 12:37:08 am
BTW... the guardian article quoted above has nothing to do with the Bulletin editorial quoted below...
But Sadna makes it look like the information below is from the guardian...
What a character...
But Sadna makes it look like the information below is from the guardian...
What a character...
#529 Posted by MantoLives on July 17, 2006 12:35:15 am
So the leader of a religious party that sits in opposition at the centre, is known for its historic anti-Pakistan stances, and forms a small part of the religious parties alliance, speaks at some gathering and that is enough to indict an entire nation. Pakistan is its central government and the army... not the health minister of Balochistan.
What flimsy evidence... indeed and that too doesn`t say that Pakistan is destroying Afghan schools. Speculation, conjecture and opinion...
What flimsy evidence... indeed and that too doesn`t say that Pakistan is destroying Afghan schools. Speculation, conjecture and opinion...
#528 Posted by sadna on July 17, 2006 12:27:12 am
Taliban, Pakistan and burning schools
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1784304,00.html
The Taliban flag fluttered at one end of the grave; the black and white standard of Jamiaat Ulema Islam (JUI-F), an extremist Pakistani religious party that helps to rule Baluchistan, protruded from the other.
An hour earlier a radical cleric, Maulana Abdul Bari - who also happens to be Baluchistan`s minister for public health - addressed the village from a mosque. ``Azizullah was a true martyr, his place in paradise is guaranteed,`` he said, his words echoing through a loudspeaker and across the village. ``His blood will not be lost. It will strengthen Islam like water feeds a tree.``
Azizullah died in Panjwayi, a violent district of Kandahar province where US A-10 ``warthog`` planes pounded a religious school filled with Taliban. The Americans claimed to have killed up to 80 fighters; yesterday a human rights group said 34 civilians perished too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1731929,00.html
Playground has become battleground in the Afghan south, where the resurgent Taliban have launched a fierce campaign of arson, intimidation and assassination that has closed 200 schools in recent months and left 100,000 students at home.
Teachers are in the front line. In December assassins dragged a man who defied warnings to stop teaching girls from his classroom in Nad Ali, another Helmand district, and shot him at the school gate. Four other teachers have been killed and hundreds more threatened with ``night letters`` - handwritten notices delivered in the dark, ordering them to stop teaching or die.
..
Sixty-six of Helmand`s 224 schools have closed, he said, and others have scaled back classes as parents move their children to the safety of the main towns. Even there, protection is uncertain. Two days after the Nad Ali murder, gunmen burst into Karte Laghan secondary school in the provincial capital, Laskhar Gah, killing a watchman and a student. The attack occurred less than a mile from the new British base.
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ma06chayes
``The steadily worsening situation in southern Afghanistan is not the work of some ineffable Al Qaeda nebula. It is the result of the real depredations of the corrupt and predatory government officials whom the United States ushered into power in 2001, supposedly to help fight Al Qaeda, and has assiduously maintained in power since, along with an ``insurgency`` manufactured whole cloth across the border in Pakistan--a U.S. ally. The evidence of this connection is abundant: Taliban leaders strut openly around Quetta, Pakistan, where they are provided with offices and government-issued weapons authorization cards; Pakistani army officers are detailed to Taliban training camps; and Pakistani border guards constantly wave self-proclaimed Taliban through checkpoints into Afghanistan.
But beleaguered Afghans have a hard time getting U.S. political and military officials to focus on these two factors, which feed on each other. U.S. personnel cling to the fictions that Afghans are responsible for the local officials who rule over them--despite the overwhelming moral and material support the United States has provided these officials--and that the Pakistani government is cooperating in the war on terror. And so the Afghan villagers, frightened, vulnerable, and disillusioned, are obliged to come to terms with the ``fairies who come at night.``
...
This state of affairs is so bewildering that Kandaharis have reached an astonishing conclusion: The United States must be in league with the Taliban. They reason that America, with its power and riches, could bring an end to the ``insurgency`` in a month, if it so chose. They figure that America remains a close and munificent ally of Pakistan, the country that is sponsoring the ``insurgency,`` and so the continuing violence must be a deliberate element of U.S. policy. The point is not whether there is any factual basis for this notion, it`s that everyone here believes it. In other words, in a stunning irony, much of this city, the Taliban`s former stronghold, is disgusted with the Americans not because of their Western culture, but because of their apparent complicity with Islamist extremists.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1784304,00.html
The Taliban flag fluttered at one end of the grave; the black and white standard of Jamiaat Ulema Islam (JUI-F), an extremist Pakistani religious party that helps to rule Baluchistan, protruded from the other.
An hour earlier a radical cleric, Maulana Abdul Bari - who also happens to be Baluchistan`s minister for public health - addressed the village from a mosque. ``Azizullah was a true martyr, his place in paradise is guaranteed,`` he said, his words echoing through a loudspeaker and across the village. ``His blood will not be lost. It will strengthen Islam like water feeds a tree.``
Azizullah died in Panjwayi, a violent district of Kandahar province where US A-10 ``warthog`` planes pounded a religious school filled with Taliban. The Americans claimed to have killed up to 80 fighters; yesterday a human rights group said 34 civilians perished too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1731929,00.html
Playground has become battleground in the Afghan south, where the resurgent Taliban have launched a fierce campaign of arson, intimidation and assassination that has closed 200 schools in recent months and left 100,000 students at home.
Teachers are in the front line. In December assassins dragged a man who defied warnings to stop teaching girls from his classroom in Nad Ali, another Helmand district, and shot him at the school gate. Four other teachers have been killed and hundreds more threatened with ``night letters`` - handwritten notices delivered in the dark, ordering them to stop teaching or die.
..
Sixty-six of Helmand`s 224 schools have closed, he said, and others have scaled back classes as parents move their children to the safety of the main towns. Even there, protection is uncertain. Two days after the Nad Ali murder, gunmen burst into Karte Laghan secondary school in the provincial capital, Laskhar Gah, killing a watchman and a student. The attack occurred less than a mile from the new British base.
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ma06chayes
``The steadily worsening situation in southern Afghanistan is not the work of some ineffable Al Qaeda nebula. It is the result of the real depredations of the corrupt and predatory government officials whom the United States ushered into power in 2001, supposedly to help fight Al Qaeda, and has assiduously maintained in power since, along with an ``insurgency`` manufactured whole cloth across the border in Pakistan--a U.S. ally. The evidence of this connection is abundant: Taliban leaders strut openly around Quetta, Pakistan, where they are provided with offices and government-issued weapons authorization cards; Pakistani army officers are detailed to Taliban training camps; and Pakistani border guards constantly wave self-proclaimed Taliban through checkpoints into Afghanistan.
But beleaguered Afghans have a hard time getting U.S. political and military officials to focus on these two factors, which feed on each other. U.S. personnel cling to the fictions that Afghans are responsible for the local officials who rule over them--despite the overwhelming moral and material support the United States has provided these officials--and that the Pakistani government is cooperating in the war on terror. And so the Afghan villagers, frightened, vulnerable, and disillusioned, are obliged to come to terms with the ``fairies who come at night.``
...
This state of affairs is so bewildering that Kandaharis have reached an astonishing conclusion: The United States must be in league with the Taliban. They reason that America, with its power and riches, could bring an end to the ``insurgency`` in a month, if it so chose. They figure that America remains a close and munificent ally of Pakistan, the country that is sponsoring the ``insurgency,`` and so the continuing violence must be a deliberate element of U.S. policy. The point is not whether there is any factual basis for this notion, it`s that everyone here believes it. In other words, in a stunning irony, much of this city, the Taliban`s former stronghold, is disgusted with the Americans not because of their Western culture, but because of their apparent complicity with Islamist extremists.
#527 Posted by MantoLives on July 16, 2006 11:56:27 pm
Krishna... You are the best ally LeT/AlQaeda/SIMI could ask for...
#526 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 16, 2006 11:52:01 pm
#525 by Mantolives
[I have probably done more against Lashkar-e-taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa and their terrorism against India then you or Sadna or other patriotic Indians combined can do in a hundred years (all you can do is put up whiny posts and all Sadna can do is lie lie and twist)]
No, you have been fighting against them so that they include you, a certified (by your own government) non-Muslim and a heretic by any Islamic national or religious standards, into their putrefying fold. And don`t mistake yourself to be an intellectual. Anyone who takes this stinking Islmaic garbage seriously and converts to this version of Islamic garbage or that version of Islamic garbage is a certifiable idiot.
[You are nobody in the final calculation... you mean nothing. Chowkies - especially Indians on chowk but also Pakistanis- are a bunch of 9-5 idiots living in America trying to feel important by fighting evil Pakistanis through this website and nothing more...]
If you have such valuable things to do in the real world, how come your Chowk interacts is touching 6000 and the volume of garbage typed is probably the highest of anyone on this forum?
[I have probably done more against Lashkar-e-taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa and their terrorism against India then you or Sadna or other patriotic Indians combined can do in a hundred years (all you can do is put up whiny posts and all Sadna can do is lie lie and twist)]
No, you have been fighting against them so that they include you, a certified (by your own government) non-Muslim and a heretic by any Islamic national or religious standards, into their putrefying fold. And don`t mistake yourself to be an intellectual. Anyone who takes this stinking Islmaic garbage seriously and converts to this version of Islamic garbage or that version of Islamic garbage is a certifiable idiot.
[You are nobody in the final calculation... you mean nothing. Chowkies - especially Indians on chowk but also Pakistanis- are a bunch of 9-5 idiots living in America trying to feel important by fighting evil Pakistanis through this website and nothing more...]
If you have such valuable things to do in the real world, how come your Chowk interacts is touching 6000 and the volume of garbage typed is probably the highest of anyone on this forum?
#525 Posted by MantoLives on July 16, 2006 10:57:28 pm
Anil,
In my opinion, the way people like you are reacting shows the cancer has reached your head... Where is the proof of Pakistani involvement in Mumbai... Whoever these terrorists were... succeeded in thwarting the peace process... and all you can do is claim nonsense about me? You have no idea what I have or haven`t done to fight religious extremism in Pakistan... but do you think I would tell a whiny Indian like yourself and accept all of your tall claims without defending atleast that is what is reasonable?
I have probably done more against Lashkar-e-taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa and their terrorism against India then you or Sadna or other patriotic Indians combined can do in a hundred years (all you can do is put up whiny posts and all Sadna can do is lie lie and twist)... but does that mean I shut up when your compatriots resort to abuses and lies against my country ? I am afraid I don`t give a damn what you think for as far as I am concerned you can go to hell. I do it because I don`t want my country to waste its resources on anything that is destructive instead of constructive...
To you my arguments/posts might seem like ``diluting`` ... but the fact of the matter is that I care much more for an accurate portrayal of Jinnah then sit here and argue with complete idiots about whether or not Pakistani administration was involved in terror. You are nobody in the final calculation... you mean nothing. Chowkies - especially Indians on chowk but also Pakistanis- are a bunch of 9-5 idiots living in America trying to feel important by fighting evil Pakistanis through this website and nothing more... get that in your head. I will continue to fight the Jehadis and Islamists on the right forums... I will however continue to expose your compatriots` lies on this one.
Sadna,
So now Pakistan is burning down schools in Afghanistan? Have you no shame woman? Are you so disgustingly bigoted to claim something like that? Does Pakistan want to create instability in Afghanistan to force them to be permanent refugees here? You Indians are just amazing ... that is all I can say.
How about I tell you to stop funding terrorist organisations in Pakistan alright?
In my opinion, the way people like you are reacting shows the cancer has reached your head... Where is the proof of Pakistani involvement in Mumbai... Whoever these terrorists were... succeeded in thwarting the peace process... and all you can do is claim nonsense about me? You have no idea what I have or haven`t done to fight religious extremism in Pakistan... but do you think I would tell a whiny Indian like yourself and accept all of your tall claims without defending atleast that is what is reasonable?
I have probably done more against Lashkar-e-taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa and their terrorism against India then you or Sadna or other patriotic Indians combined can do in a hundred years (all you can do is put up whiny posts and all Sadna can do is lie lie and twist)... but does that mean I shut up when your compatriots resort to abuses and lies against my country ? I am afraid I don`t give a damn what you think for as far as I am concerned you can go to hell. I do it because I don`t want my country to waste its resources on anything that is destructive instead of constructive...
To you my arguments/posts might seem like ``diluting`` ... but the fact of the matter is that I care much more for an accurate portrayal of Jinnah then sit here and argue with complete idiots about whether or not Pakistani administration was involved in terror. You are nobody in the final calculation... you mean nothing. Chowkies - especially Indians on chowk but also Pakistanis- are a bunch of 9-5 idiots living in America trying to feel important by fighting evil Pakistanis through this website and nothing more... get that in your head. I will continue to fight the Jehadis and Islamists on the right forums... I will however continue to expose your compatriots` lies on this one.
Sadna,
So now Pakistan is burning down schools in Afghanistan? Have you no shame woman? Are you so disgustingly bigoted to claim something like that? Does Pakistan want to create instability in Afghanistan to force them to be permanent refugees here? You Indians are just amazing ... that is all I can say.
How about I tell you to stop funding terrorist organisations in Pakistan alright?
#536 Posted by anil on July 17, 2006 8:59:20 am
Re: # 525
Yasser:
Surprise to read your posting. You could have written without emotions which would have meant a lot to me. I am happy that you are working to remove terror. My point that political ideologies will not dilute or divert terror, is still valid. I made my point and you made yours. I am certain that you are aware of my position on Jinnah and Gandhi.
Anil
Yasser:
Surprise to read your posting. You could have written without emotions which would have meant a lot to me. I am happy that you are working to remove terror. My point that political ideologies will not dilute or divert terror, is still valid. I made my point and you made yours. I am certain that you are aware of my position on Jinnah and Gandhi.
Anil
#523 Posted by sadna on July 16, 2006 7:39:19 pm
PS: Hence it is better to stand one`s ground on eternal warriors` ``open issues`` and let them do their worst in their eternal war-they will do that in any case.
#522 Posted by sadna on July 16, 2006 7:36:34 pm
Afghan schools are burned down by Pak-sponsored terrorists because Pakistan has an ``open issue`` with Afghanistan - the ``open issue`` of Pakistan festering since 1989 is that Kabul is not in direct military control of the Pakistani state. People are caught planning terrorist attacks in many countries go to Pakistan for training because Pakistan has an ``open issue`` with most of the world. The lack of a global Khilafat is an ``open issue`` for a lot of people, many of them Pakistanis. The point being that there will be no end to ``open issues`` in a war considered eternal by the other party. To negotiate with eternal warriors only means having to fight them again from a weaker position, as this in an eternal war.
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