Tushar Barot July 14, 2006
#28 Posted by zrinovsky on July 15, 2006 1:16:08 am
Re: # 27
VRV,
Do you think our spineless politicians have the guts to arm Balochs and Sindhis? not in this lifetime. A govt which cannot protect its own citizens despite of having all the resources at hand cannot do something like that. And Musharraf is the one of the best leaders Pak has had since its inception. In the name of supporting WAR ON TERROR, he has got too many freebies and global support for pak which despite of us at the receiving end, our politicians havnt been able to get. We are happy with the LIP SERVICE from the west. And dont forget that your Neharwali Haveli boy was behind the Kargil war. So get rid of the notion that Mushy is weaking Pak.
And for your information, I am a Gujju but not a Dalit. In my personal opinion, caste of an individual does not influce one`s thinking.
VRV,
Do you think our spineless politicians have the guts to arm Balochs and Sindhis? not in this lifetime. A govt which cannot protect its own citizens despite of having all the resources at hand cannot do something like that. And Musharraf is the one of the best leaders Pak has had since its inception. In the name of supporting WAR ON TERROR, he has got too many freebies and global support for pak which despite of us at the receiving end, our politicians havnt been able to get. We are happy with the LIP SERVICE from the west. And dont forget that your Neharwali Haveli boy was behind the Kargil war. So get rid of the notion that Mushy is weaking Pak.
And for your information, I am a Gujju but not a Dalit. In my personal opinion, caste of an individual does not influce one`s thinking.
#27 Posted by VRV on July 15, 2006 12:06:50 am
Bharatbhai,
Anger blinds man.
Being a dalit but Gujju your thinking wud be no diff from that of Bharat Barot, the bearded criminal who is still the minister under Modi. Law doesn`t distinguish between a Muslim and a Hindu. Crime is a crime. Crime done by terrorists under the veil of anonymity, is a difficult thing to locate and dispense justice therewith in a modern way.
Meanwhile the Pakistan`s Kasuri came out with Pak`s admission of guilt (linking Bombay blasts with Kashmir and what not between India and Pak) and people like you wud come out knee-jerk reactions. No country is immune to Islamic terrorism. Pl give a thought that the dead in Bombay blasts wud also include some non-Hindus.
You have a wrong view of Indian nationalism and your penchant for emulating Israel and Nepal shows where your understaning of India lies. Despite the regular pounding of Palestine for 60 years, Israel cud not eliminate terrorism. Terrorism in India wud die it`s death when Pakistan in the present form cease to exist, I believe. You cant achieve that by bombing Pak.
Despite my poor view of Indian police, Bombay police are a notch above the average Indian police and the way they cracked previous cases gives me confidence that they wud crack this case too. Unfortunately some of the perpetrators had left for Pakistan. Now, can we bomb them straight away? I am afraid not.
The way I feel is: dismantle that country. How? Support Baloch independence and Sindhi nationalists. Meanwhile our RAW agent Musharraf is slowly weakening that country from within. That must give us confidence in our Neharwali Haveli boy from Delhi to accomplish our mission. If u think of badla, we dont need special agents. A suicide bomber had already taken badla in Karachi in a small way.
The tone of your article is good for a coffee table chat but not for reading.
Anger blinds man.
Being a dalit but Gujju your thinking wud be no diff from that of Bharat Barot, the bearded criminal who is still the minister under Modi. Law doesn`t distinguish between a Muslim and a Hindu. Crime is a crime. Crime done by terrorists under the veil of anonymity, is a difficult thing to locate and dispense justice therewith in a modern way.
Meanwhile the Pakistan`s Kasuri came out with Pak`s admission of guilt (linking Bombay blasts with Kashmir and what not between India and Pak) and people like you wud come out knee-jerk reactions. No country is immune to Islamic terrorism. Pl give a thought that the dead in Bombay blasts wud also include some non-Hindus.
You have a wrong view of Indian nationalism and your penchant for emulating Israel and Nepal shows where your understaning of India lies. Despite the regular pounding of Palestine for 60 years, Israel cud not eliminate terrorism. Terrorism in India wud die it`s death when Pakistan in the present form cease to exist, I believe. You cant achieve that by bombing Pak.
Despite my poor view of Indian police, Bombay police are a notch above the average Indian police and the way they cracked previous cases gives me confidence that they wud crack this case too. Unfortunately some of the perpetrators had left for Pakistan. Now, can we bomb them straight away? I am afraid not.
The way I feel is: dismantle that country. How? Support Baloch independence and Sindhi nationalists. Meanwhile our RAW agent Musharraf is slowly weakening that country from within. That must give us confidence in our Neharwali Haveli boy from Delhi to accomplish our mission. If u think of badla, we dont need special agents. A suicide bomber had already taken badla in Karachi in a small way.
The tone of your article is good for a coffee table chat but not for reading.
#26 Posted by avkrishna on July 14, 2006 11:42:17 pm
# 19:
````Why should these not have been implemented irrespective of the blasts? Where the hell were you earlier – like for the last sixty years or so? ````
I never said they should not be implemented otherwise, did I? I am just reiterating some of the drawbacks of Hindu society and things we need to take care of before even thinking of facing our enemies.
````On (3), my question is can you please explain?! Can you name a party which has declared itself against Hindus? ````
Well, going by their conduct, all Commies, Congress and many regional parties like SP etc are anti Hindu
Rgds,
````Why should these not have been implemented irrespective of the blasts? Where the hell were you earlier – like for the last sixty years or so? ````
I never said they should not be implemented otherwise, did I? I am just reiterating some of the drawbacks of Hindu society and things we need to take care of before even thinking of facing our enemies.
````On (3), my question is can you please explain?! Can you name a party which has declared itself against Hindus? ````
Well, going by their conduct, all Commies, Congress and many regional parties like SP etc are anti Hindu
Rgds,
#25 Posted by kakolukiyum on July 14, 2006 10:16:18 pm
Re: # 23
The problems lies in the Madrassas where the fanatic mullahs preach that Islam is the only religion and believers of other religions are ``KAFIRS``
Tushar,
Venting is all very fine....but your analysis is lousy! Either you are incapable of thinking logically or, as Ballu suggested, this is all you capable of-ranting !!
The problems lies in the Madrassas where the fanatic mullahs preach that Islam is the only religion and believers of other religions are ``KAFIRS``
Tushar,
Venting is all very fine....but your analysis is lousy! Either you are incapable of thinking logically or, as Ballu suggested, this is all you capable of-ranting !!
#24 Posted by ballukhan on July 14, 2006 9:54:55 pm
Re: # 23
This is certainly an anti IM tirade because you assume that IM would not join. IM have already participated in isolating some of the extreme elements.......you think that the past hauls of arms were because of police `intelligence`? It was all because some nationalist IM with grave risk to his life was exposing the PAk indoctrinated IM-s and giving the inputs to the police.
This time round the operation appears to be tightly controlled by ISI and the entire operation was done with immense secrecy to ensure that no IM is able to leak to the police.
Instead of giving vent to your stupid hindutva tirade against IM you should understand that the real enemy are the Pakistani Army which is trying its best to forment communal violence in India so that it can continue support from its local population on the policy of communal hatred against the secular Indian state..........
This is certainly an anti IM tirade because you assume that IM would not join. IM have already participated in isolating some of the extreme elements.......you think that the past hauls of arms were because of police `intelligence`? It was all because some nationalist IM with grave risk to his life was exposing the PAk indoctrinated IM-s and giving the inputs to the police.
This time round the operation appears to be tightly controlled by ISI and the entire operation was done with immense secrecy to ensure that no IM is able to leak to the police.
Instead of giving vent to your stupid hindutva tirade against IM you should understand that the real enemy are the Pakistani Army which is trying its best to forment communal violence in India so that it can continue support from its local population on the policy of communal hatred against the secular Indian state..........
#23 Posted by zrinovsky on July 14, 2006 9:34:09 pm
To: Ballukhan,
This in not a anti-muslim tirade. I have called upon all Indians to arise. But I am sure muslims will not join in. They have never become a part of mainstream India becuase they never want to become one. Sindhis from Pakistan & Parsis from Iran came to India and are now very much a part of Indian social fabric but the muslims have always kept themselves aloof. I do not blame common muslims for that. The problems lies in the Madrassas where the fanatic mullahs preach that Islam is the only religion and believers of other religions are ``KAFIRS`` India is an inclusive society and will welcome anyone who wants to be included in it. But if you just want to remain outside no one can help. I agree that all muslims are not terrorists but then all terrorists behind these henious crimes are muslims. This requires some thinking.
This in not a anti-muslim tirade. I have called upon all Indians to arise. But I am sure muslims will not join in. They have never become a part of mainstream India becuase they never want to become one. Sindhis from Pakistan & Parsis from Iran came to India and are now very much a part of Indian social fabric but the muslims have always kept themselves aloof. I do not blame common muslims for that. The problems lies in the Madrassas where the fanatic mullahs preach that Islam is the only religion and believers of other religions are ``KAFIRS`` India is an inclusive society and will welcome anyone who wants to be included in it. But if you just want to remain outside no one can help. I agree that all muslims are not terrorists but then all terrorists behind these henious crimes are muslims. This requires some thinking.
#22 Posted by hassansiddiqi on July 14, 2006 8:51:27 pm
India and Pakistan are both suffering from the menace of extremism. Yet, we still see such incidents occur. We need to be united in our efforts and let not extremists divide us. If our peace process derails, the extremists will declare victory because that`s exactly what they want. They want Pakistan not to be secular, they want India to be destabilized and they want an atmosphere of mistrust between Pakistan and India.
We must not let them win. We have to unite and destroy these facists pretending to be religious and pious people.
We must not let them win. We have to unite and destroy these facists pretending to be religious and pious people.
#21 Posted by ballukhan on July 14, 2006 5:53:38 pm
Like Israel`s claim for Nasrallah`s death India must ask for LeT Chief`s death........
#20 Posted by ballukhan on July 14, 2006 5:50:54 pm
``All this because we are a “Secular” democracy and these politicians will not do anything to annoy the minority community [read Muslims]. They have repealed POTA and TADA and made police force also a bunch of eunuchs. ``
Tushar you are wrong. Israel is a secular state and yet has yet resolved against terrorism through direct action. It also has its pacifists, right wingers as well as extremists- but the overwhelming mood is in favour of taking the menace of terrorism head on.
Instaed of your Hindutva and anti-muslim tirade you need to appeal to ALL Indians to build up the public pressure to take Pakistani sponsored terrorism head on by using both covert and overt means.
We need to specifically use Covert means - supported by government and outside vigilante groups comprising of ex-service men and TARGET these Jehadi Camps, outfits, personnnel and the Pakistani officials supporting it. This is not a huge organization but a small one to take throug specific operations. I am sure funds from public would not be a problem. The loss to the economy from these bombings was high and every person who was affected by it mentally or physically would definitely contribute to get this anti-terrorist fund moving.
We have to tell them that they are not safe in their rat holes. With sufficient public pressure we would see good results against these Jehadi masters across the border.
Tushar you are wrong. Israel is a secular state and yet has yet resolved against terrorism through direct action. It also has its pacifists, right wingers as well as extremists- but the overwhelming mood is in favour of taking the menace of terrorism head on.
Instaed of your Hindutva and anti-muslim tirade you need to appeal to ALL Indians to build up the public pressure to take Pakistani sponsored terrorism head on by using both covert and overt means.
We need to specifically use Covert means - supported by government and outside vigilante groups comprising of ex-service men and TARGET these Jehadi Camps, outfits, personnnel and the Pakistani officials supporting it. This is not a huge organization but a small one to take throug specific operations. I am sure funds from public would not be a problem. The loss to the economy from these bombings was high and every person who was affected by it mentally or physically would definitely contribute to get this anti-terrorist fund moving.
We have to tell them that they are not safe in their rat holes. With sufficient public pressure we would see good results against these Jehadi masters across the border.
#19 Posted by bjk on July 14, 2006 5:11:19 pm
#15 by avkrishna
Ama Krishna,
On (1) and (2), I have a simple question:
Why should these not have been implemented irrespective of the blasts? Where the hell were you earlier – like for the last sixty years or so?
On (3), my question is can you please explain?! Can you name a party which has declared itself against Hindus?
On (4), my response is – are you out of your mind?!!! You expect people to put up REAL money?!!
#18 Posted by bharath on July 14, 2006 1:51:23 pm
Re: # 13
{{{{#13 by rozaiba on July 14, 2006 11:46am PT
barot: are you a hindutva fascist freak?}}}]
Are you an Islamic Terrorist hypocrite???
{{{{#13 by rozaiba on July 14, 2006 11:46am PT
barot: are you a hindutva fascist freak?}}}]
Are you an Islamic Terrorist hypocrite???
#17 Posted by stuka on July 14, 2006 1:08:33 pm
Yes Harimau, if hitting the keys of a key board were sins of bravery you would be a Param Vir Chakra holder.
#16 Posted by kakolukiyum on July 14, 2006 12:48:02 pm
So, killing a bunch of muslims will help eradicate terrorists? Just like it helped after Gujarat, and after the 1984 massacre of Sikhs?
I do agree that the political class/system is totally corrupt and moribund and R&AW is in a disarray after the recent discovery of moles. So yes, there should be a demand from the people to the government that if there was information about the impending attacks, why was nothing done to prevent those.
This link is from 2003, and is as relevant today as it was three years ago!
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/01inter.htm
I do agree that the political class/system is totally corrupt and moribund and R&AW is in a disarray after the recent discovery of moles. So yes, there should be a demand from the people to the government that if there was information about the impending attacks, why was nothing done to prevent those.
This link is from 2003, and is as relevant today as it was three years ago!
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/01inter.htm
#15 Posted by avkrishna on July 14, 2006 12:28:53 pm
To fellow Hindus,
U might have realized by now, all this talk and appeals for peace on and off Chowk is not going to help us.
It will not prevent any of our enemies to stop attacking us.
It will not make the Commie and Minority appeasing ba$tards in Delhi to protect us.
Our existence and security are not garunteed unless we make a cohesive and united front against the detractors. The time for action has come.
Let`s
1) Remove the scourge of Casteism from our society
2) Establish Gender equality
3) Extend political support only to political parties supportive of Hindus
4) Direct all monetary and non-monetary donations to Hindu organizations
Thanks,
U might have realized by now, all this talk and appeals for peace on and off Chowk is not going to help us.
It will not prevent any of our enemies to stop attacking us.
It will not make the Commie and Minority appeasing ba$tards in Delhi to protect us.
Our existence and security are not garunteed unless we make a cohesive and united front against the detractors. The time for action has come.
Let`s
1) Remove the scourge of Casteism from our society
2) Establish Gender equality
3) Extend political support only to political parties supportive of Hindus
4) Direct all monetary and non-monetary donations to Hindu organizations
Thanks,
#14 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on July 14, 2006 12:05:30 pm
Tushar Barot {``A Nation of Eunuchs``}
Tushar Sahib,
I have not yet read your fine article, but already I have a gripe. How dare you call Pakis ``A Nation of Eunuchs?`` I mean HijRas maybe, but not Eunuchs. As you probably don`t know or realize, Eunuchs were usually quite intelligent and played all kinds of political games in the machinations of government and projections of power. Meanwhile HijRas just clap their hands, sing, and dance, burying their head in the sand, with their recti aimed at the sky. So, next time, please call Pakistan ``A Nation of HijRas.`` Thank you - now I will try to read your wonderful and interesting article.
Tushar Sahib,
I have not yet read your fine article, but already I have a gripe. How dare you call Pakis ``A Nation of Eunuchs?`` I mean HijRas maybe, but not Eunuchs. As you probably don`t know or realize, Eunuchs were usually quite intelligent and played all kinds of political games in the machinations of government and projections of power. Meanwhile HijRas just clap their hands, sing, and dance, burying their head in the sand, with their recti aimed at the sky. So, next time, please call Pakistan ``A Nation of HijRas.`` Thank you - now I will try to read your wonderful and interesting article.
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