Quit India: Hindutva Goons!
Subhash Gatade July 24, 2006
#65 Posted by muqaddam on July 26, 2006 8:01:45 am
Re #33
No doubt the commies must be exterminated for the vermin they are, but many who have benefitted immensely from the quota system are no less fifth columnists for they`re not only ungrateful to the system that has lifted them from misery but create bogeys about Hindutva and contribute to caste based divisions in the society thereby weakening the country`s social fabric. The least they can do is close ranks with the rest of the country to fight the jehadi menace. My bet is the next piece from this MC will be on how upper caste Hindus are maltreating the less privileged . We all better watch out.
No doubt the commies must be exterminated for the vermin they are, but many who have benefitted immensely from the quota system are no less fifth columnists for they`re not only ungrateful to the system that has lifted them from misery but create bogeys about Hindutva and contribute to caste based divisions in the society thereby weakening the country`s social fabric. The least they can do is close ranks with the rest of the country to fight the jehadi menace. My bet is the next piece from this MC will be on how upper caste Hindus are maltreating the less privileged . We all better watch out.
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#64 Posted by Netizen on July 26, 2006 7:50:39 am
Our secularist warriors, these
Democracy has its downside, specially in underdeveloped countries like India. Rampant poverty, widespread illiteracy and, consequently, ignorance make for an imperfect democracy. Only informed people can make informed choices. Populism of the bank nationalisation variety did succeed in its immediate purpose of getting Mrs Indira Gandhi a huge number of votes. But, as by now everyone knows, it, and other so-called socialistic measures came in its wake, ended up inflicting huge costs on the economy.
The economic wheel was moved back several turns by these cynical steps to hoodwink the people. Another example is the current competition between various players to woo the numerically important OBCs by reserving jobs and seats in educational institutions. The objective is votes; any good that might flow to OBCs is incidental.
Affirmative action to benefit these castes would of course not net the same electoral benefit as the crude device of reservations would. Besides, the more the so-called elite groups protest the OBC reservations, the more the targeted castes are expected to root for the pro-reservation politicians.
But very often cynical shortcuts politicians take for votes harm broader national interest. The case in point is the extraordinary care and concern being shown to the main accused, Abdul Nasser Madani, in the 1998 Coimbatore bombings. The ring leader of that dastardly operation which left 58 dead and several more injured is now jailed in Coimbatore. But so solicitous have been the self-avowed secularists about the well-being of this leader of the anti-nationalists that they have bent all rules in the jail manual and relevant judicial precedents in order to make his stay in prison most comfortable.
The man who masterminded a murderous assault on the then Home Minister of India L. K. Advani, which mercifully failed, is being serenaded by the Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu and Kerala, M. Karunanidhi and V. S. Achuthanandan respectively. These self-appointed guardians of secularism have joined hands to ensure that Madani and his band of terrorists go scot free. With the prosecution under their control, there can be little hope the trial in the Coimbatore bomb attacks case ending in a stiff punishment for the heinous criminals.
It is the twisted vote-bank politics that both the Marxists and the DMK are willing to go out on a limb to comfort Madani. It is notable that months before the last election to the Kerala Assembly, the then ruling United Democratic Front Government of Chief Minister Oommen Chandy had moved a resolution in the House seeking the release from prison of Madani. Now, it should be underlined here, Madani was not being held on any political charges. He was the main accused in a criminal case which had caused the death of 58 innocent people and left several more injured severely.
The adoption of such a resolution itself was an affront to good governance, nay, good sense. But because Madani as the head of the rabidly Islamic fundamental group, People’s Democratic Party, could deliver the votes of the sizable Muslim community, even the then opposition CPI (M)-led Left Democratic Front had voted for the resolution seeking his release. Given that various courts had rejected his bail application, the Kerala Assembly resolution was in fact a crude attempt to influence the judicial process.
But the latest to keep Madani in good humour does take the cake. According to reports, on the specific directions of the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, the State authorities have built an Ayurvedic spa inside the Coimbatore prison for the rejuvenation of the ring leader of the killer group. Apparently, poor Madani had lost weight and a very concerned Karunanidhi marshaled a battery of best Ayurvedic masseurs and allopathic doctors to restore youth and vigour to the frail leader of the fundamentalist Islamic group.
And, what is more, he allowed Madani’s wife to visit him in high security prison at all times of day and night. This when an arrest warrant was pending against her, too. Only after a national daily exposed the palpably illegal exertions of the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister on behalf of Madani did Madani’s wife secure bail from a court. Naturally, the prosecution did not press for her police or judicial custody.
Back to the negative costs of democracy. In any other informed democracy, it is unlikely that politicians would be so brazen as to go out on a limb for the sake of a terror accused. Nor would they dare mock prison and judicial custody rules to mollycoddle a high security prisoner.
And one last question: Do you still think that DMK boss Karunanidhi and CPI (M) leader Achuthanandan are epitomes of secularism? Or pandering to Islamic fundamentalism is the only way one can burnish one’s secularist credentials?
Democracy has its downside, specially in underdeveloped countries like India. Rampant poverty, widespread illiteracy and, consequently, ignorance make for an imperfect democracy. Only informed people can make informed choices. Populism of the bank nationalisation variety did succeed in its immediate purpose of getting Mrs Indira Gandhi a huge number of votes. But, as by now everyone knows, it, and other so-called socialistic measures came in its wake, ended up inflicting huge costs on the economy.
The economic wheel was moved back several turns by these cynical steps to hoodwink the people. Another example is the current competition between various players to woo the numerically important OBCs by reserving jobs and seats in educational institutions. The objective is votes; any good that might flow to OBCs is incidental.
Affirmative action to benefit these castes would of course not net the same electoral benefit as the crude device of reservations would. Besides, the more the so-called elite groups protest the OBC reservations, the more the targeted castes are expected to root for the pro-reservation politicians.
But very often cynical shortcuts politicians take for votes harm broader national interest. The case in point is the extraordinary care and concern being shown to the main accused, Abdul Nasser Madani, in the 1998 Coimbatore bombings. The ring leader of that dastardly operation which left 58 dead and several more injured is now jailed in Coimbatore. But so solicitous have been the self-avowed secularists about the well-being of this leader of the anti-nationalists that they have bent all rules in the jail manual and relevant judicial precedents in order to make his stay in prison most comfortable.
The man who masterminded a murderous assault on the then Home Minister of India L. K. Advani, which mercifully failed, is being serenaded by the Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu and Kerala, M. Karunanidhi and V. S. Achuthanandan respectively. These self-appointed guardians of secularism have joined hands to ensure that Madani and his band of terrorists go scot free. With the prosecution under their control, there can be little hope the trial in the Coimbatore bomb attacks case ending in a stiff punishment for the heinous criminals.
It is the twisted vote-bank politics that both the Marxists and the DMK are willing to go out on a limb to comfort Madani. It is notable that months before the last election to the Kerala Assembly, the then ruling United Democratic Front Government of Chief Minister Oommen Chandy had moved a resolution in the House seeking the release from prison of Madani. Now, it should be underlined here, Madani was not being held on any political charges. He was the main accused in a criminal case which had caused the death of 58 innocent people and left several more injured severely.
The adoption of such a resolution itself was an affront to good governance, nay, good sense. But because Madani as the head of the rabidly Islamic fundamental group, People’s Democratic Party, could deliver the votes of the sizable Muslim community, even the then opposition CPI (M)-led Left Democratic Front had voted for the resolution seeking his release. Given that various courts had rejected his bail application, the Kerala Assembly resolution was in fact a crude attempt to influence the judicial process.
But the latest to keep Madani in good humour does take the cake. According to reports, on the specific directions of the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, the State authorities have built an Ayurvedic spa inside the Coimbatore prison for the rejuvenation of the ring leader of the killer group. Apparently, poor Madani had lost weight and a very concerned Karunanidhi marshaled a battery of best Ayurvedic masseurs and allopathic doctors to restore youth and vigour to the frail leader of the fundamentalist Islamic group.
And, what is more, he allowed Madani’s wife to visit him in high security prison at all times of day and night. This when an arrest warrant was pending against her, too. Only after a national daily exposed the palpably illegal exertions of the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister on behalf of Madani did Madani’s wife secure bail from a court. Naturally, the prosecution did not press for her police or judicial custody.
Back to the negative costs of democracy. In any other informed democracy, it is unlikely that politicians would be so brazen as to go out on a limb for the sake of a terror accused. Nor would they dare mock prison and judicial custody rules to mollycoddle a high security prisoner.
And one last question: Do you still think that DMK boss Karunanidhi and CPI (M) leader Achuthanandan are epitomes of secularism? Or pandering to Islamic fundamentalism is the only way one can burnish one’s secularist credentials?
#63 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2006 5:59:31 am
Ref Urstruly #12
[.... I expect that the mass expulsion of Indian Muslims will take place within next 15 to 20 years. When that time comes I think the two civilization will have a geographical border somewhere East of Delhi in the North and upto Hyderabad Daccan in south central India.]
And -- this is the crucial part that you missed -- pigs will fly.
[.... I expect that the mass expulsion of Indian Muslims will take place within next 15 to 20 years. When that time comes I think the two civilization will have a geographical border somewhere East of Delhi in the North and upto Hyderabad Daccan in south central India.]
And -- this is the crucial part that you missed -- pigs will fly.
#62 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2006 5:57:47 am
Ref hasanmahmood #6
[..... if Muslims leave can Hindus really run their country on their own.]
All you need to do is to look at Pakistan and then decide whether Hindus can run their country on their own.
You can also look at Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Londonistan, etc., to see how well Muslims are managing their own affairs.
[Even you atomic program was designed by a Muslim.]
You are less educated than even the Masanamuthus and the pseudo-secularists of India.
The 1974 atomic weapon test was led by Raja Ramanna, a South Indian brahmin.
The 1998 weapons were designed under the leadership od V. S. Arunachalam, a TamBrahm.
APJ Abdul Kalam led our missile development program, not our nuclear program.
[What will Hindus do then, dance to their kali mai and hop that Muslims rule over them again - lol]
Nope. They will drop a bomb on Islamabad.
[..... if Muslims leave can Hindus really run their country on their own.]
All you need to do is to look at Pakistan and then decide whether Hindus can run their country on their own.
You can also look at Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Londonistan, etc., to see how well Muslims are managing their own affairs.
[Even you atomic program was designed by a Muslim.]
You are less educated than even the Masanamuthus and the pseudo-secularists of India.
The 1974 atomic weapon test was led by Raja Ramanna, a South Indian brahmin.
The 1998 weapons were designed under the leadership od V. S. Arunachalam, a TamBrahm.
APJ Abdul Kalam led our missile development program, not our nuclear program.
[What will Hindus do then, dance to their kali mai and hop that Muslims rule over them again - lol]
Nope. They will drop a bomb on Islamabad.
#61 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2006 5:48:58 am
Ref khamkhwa #4
[...one question... are communists not indian...?]
No.
They are fifth-columnists rooting for China and doing everything in their power to stop India`s progress.
Example: they are against the modernisation of the airports in Bombay and New Delhi.
[...one question... are communists not indian...?]
No.
They are fifth-columnists rooting for China and doing everything in their power to stop India`s progress.
Example: they are against the modernisation of the airports in Bombay and New Delhi.
#60 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2006 5:40:10 am
Ref teshah #58
[I, on my part, would advise the Indian brothers to shed away this farce of secularism which is irrelevant in the context of the Indian sub-continent and face the ground realities in their proper context.]
Why don`t you advise the Indian Muslims -- who jealously guard their right to divorce their wives by saying ``talaq`` three times and do not pay alimony -- to also demand that Muslim thieves have their hands chopped off and train bombers are beheaded in public?
And if Kashmiri Muslim women are raped by the Indian Army, tell them to consider it as ``war booty``.
[I, on my part, would advise the Indian brothers to shed away this farce of secularism which is irrelevant in the context of the Indian sub-continent and face the ground realities in their proper context.]
Why don`t you advise the Indian Muslims -- who jealously guard their right to divorce their wives by saying ``talaq`` three times and do not pay alimony -- to also demand that Muslim thieves have their hands chopped off and train bombers are beheaded in public?
And if Kashmiri Muslim women are raped by the Indian Army, tell them to consider it as ``war booty``.
#59 Posted by antihypochrist on July 25, 2006 9:19:22 pm
Re: # 58,
Indian secularism is always about not acknowledging the negative upheaval that Islamic terrorism created in South Asia. It is at best about downplaying them and trumpeting the positive ones while chastising Hindus for pretty much every evil in the subcontinent. I wont be surprised if the ``secular thinktanks`` running the country are as dishonest or self-aggra than the good for nothing writer of this piece.
How is it that Indian secularism is working for all the other minorities... Jains, Sikhs, Buddhists, Parsis, Bahais? Secularism is good, denial is not.
Indian secularism is always about not acknowledging the negative upheaval that Islamic terrorism created in South Asia. It is at best about downplaying them and trumpeting the positive ones while chastising Hindus for pretty much every evil in the subcontinent. I wont be surprised if the ``secular thinktanks`` running the country are as dishonest or self-aggra than the good for nothing writer of this piece.
How is it that Indian secularism is working for all the other minorities... Jains, Sikhs, Buddhists, Parsis, Bahais? Secularism is good, denial is not.
#58 Posted by teshah on July 25, 2006 7:59:53 pm
What is this Indian secularism which allows the country to be divided on communal basis? Why not request the British to revoke the so called `Independence Act` to find a new solution for a political settlement of the communal problem of the Indian sub-continent under the aegis of UNO. Just see how absurd the situation is as whereas Kashmiri Muslims who have yet to exercise their right of self determination are raising hell for acceding to Pakistan, the majority of Indian Muslims who had opted for Pakistan have either opted out of it or living in India.
I, on my part, would advise the Indian brothers to shed away this farce of secularism which is irrelevant in the context of the Indian sub-continent and face the ground realities in their proper context.
I, on my part, would advise the Indian brothers to shed away this farce of secularism which is irrelevant in the context of the Indian sub-continent and face the ground realities in their proper context.
#57 Posted by antihypochrist on July 25, 2006 6:11:22 pm
``It is clear for everyone that it is a provocative act and it should not be taken lightly. The city administration should be pressurised to take action against the miscreants which has adopted a dilly-dallying tactic over this act``
Big words from a lowly being. Should not the city, state, and nation be forced into adopting tactics to PREVENT further terrorist attacks? You seabiscuit !
Big words from a lowly being. Should not the city, state, and nation be forced into adopting tactics to PREVENT further terrorist attacks? You seabiscuit !
#55 Posted by arjun_m on July 25, 2006 5:10:19 pm
#51 by khamkhwa on July 25, 2006 2:47pm PT
Pakis, allah`s chosen people, the brave warriors of Islam, have been unable to do squat about taking back Indian Kashmir...What does that say about you?
Pakis, allah`s chosen people, the brave warriors of Islam, have been unable to do squat about taking back Indian Kashmir...What does that say about you?
#54 Posted by wiseguyin on July 25, 2006 4:24:33 pm
Re: # 51
Krishna, seems like Khammi-na has thrown you a challenge :)
(never mind that the pukis cant win kashmir from hinuds , even)
so i guess u definitely need to do something ... remember we all can contribute to their
decimation in our own small ways ....
Krishna, seems like Khammi-na has thrown you a challenge :)
(never mind that the pukis cant win kashmir from hinuds , even)
so i guess u definitely need to do something ... remember we all can contribute to their
decimation in our own small ways ....
#53 Posted by arstoo on July 25, 2006 3:44:28 pm
Ref#[#47 by jang on July 25, 2006 10:59am PT]
Dear Jang
I rename you Shanti.
Once Prophet ( SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) had a bath after six months. Two of his wives were taking his head lices out and killing them with gusto.
In came Mohammad`s (SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) follower Abdul-bin-Faluda with his recentcly captured sex slave Dukhtar Al-Kulfi.
Abdul asked `O messanger of god peace be upon you. Please help me. This newly convert Muslim Gond Al-Qatira is trying to have sex with Al-Kulfi. What is the punishement for Al-qatira.``
Prophet (SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) after pondering the question for some time scrached the pride of his loins and said ``O Faluda, Even now I remember the fight you had with Al-Gola, the husband of Al-Kulfi. You slain hime with bravery and acquired Al-Kulfi with your right hand.``
``But Al-Kulfi is not muslim therefore Al-Qatira has not committed anu crime. What I suggest is Faluda, A-Qatira you can both enjoy Al-Kulfi.``
Abdul said ``O Messanger of God, you are realy very compassionated and understanding of the human issue. Peace be upon you.``
After that incident Faluda, Al-Qitira and Al-Kufi had it three some.
This clearly shows the Prophet(SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) came to earth to solve the problems of human kind and spread peace.
Dear Jang
I rename you Shanti.
Once Prophet ( SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) had a bath after six months. Two of his wives were taking his head lices out and killing them with gusto.
In came Mohammad`s (SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) follower Abdul-bin-Faluda with his recentcly captured sex slave Dukhtar Al-Kulfi.
Abdul asked `O messanger of god peace be upon you. Please help me. This newly convert Muslim Gond Al-Qatira is trying to have sex with Al-Kulfi. What is the punishement for Al-qatira.``
Prophet (SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) after pondering the question for some time scrached the pride of his loins and said ``O Faluda, Even now I remember the fight you had with Al-Gola, the husband of Al-Kulfi. You slain hime with bravery and acquired Al-Kulfi with your right hand.``
``But Al-Kulfi is not muslim therefore Al-Qatira has not committed anu crime. What I suggest is Faluda, A-Qatira you can both enjoy Al-Kulfi.``
Abdul said ``O Messanger of God, you are realy very compassionated and understanding of the human issue. Peace be upon you.``
After that incident Faluda, Al-Qitira and Al-Kufi had it three some.
This clearly shows the Prophet(SAW-PBHU-POM-KS-ETC) came to earth to solve the problems of human kind and spread peace.
#52 Posted by mohar11 on July 25, 2006 3:30:28 pm
Re: # 50 wise
[... Indians & Chinese are ``competing`` with the west....]
Yes. But Islamic people donot understand the word ``compete``... they understand the world only stark terms - victory/defeat, beat/get beaten... I was just trying to explain to Mr Hassan in words that he understands... :)
[... Indians & Chinese are ``competing`` with the west....]
Yes. But Islamic people donot understand the word ``compete``... they understand the world only stark terms - victory/defeat, beat/get beaten... I was just trying to explain to Mr Hassan in words that he understands... :)
#51 Posted by khamkhwa on July 25, 2006 2:47:03 pm
krishna #44
[I think I`ll leave that to Israel. ;) ]
...just goes to prove the point made by tushar barot...you are definitely one...;)
[I think I`ll leave that to Israel. ;) ]
...just goes to prove the point made by tushar barot...you are definitely one...;)
#50 Posted by wiseguyin on July 25, 2006 1:14:20 pm
Re: # 49
> we have always regretted the fact that we couldn`t defend your great-great-great-grand
> mother from the smelly islamic barbarians... :)
mohar, even though I get the vein in which that reply was made, I really think the smiley
was not required... we are talking about real human females & they were still hindus at the
time of assault.
> The idea is very simple: to beat the West in their own game...:)
This is the second part in which I mildly disagree. Indians & Chinese are ``competing`` with
the west. But we don`t hate the west or think that the values that they stand for are much
different from ours ...
Other then that, it would be fun to watch the katwas` face when u made that retort !
> we have always regretted the fact that we couldn`t defend your great-great-great-grand
> mother from the smelly islamic barbarians... :)
mohar, even though I get the vein in which that reply was made, I really think the smiley
was not required... we are talking about real human females & they were still hindus at the
time of assault.
> The idea is very simple: to beat the West in their own game...:)
This is the second part in which I mildly disagree. Indians & Chinese are ``competing`` with
the west. But we don`t hate the west or think that the values that they stand for are much
different from ours ...
Other then that, it would be fun to watch the katwas` face when u made that retort !
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