Let's Kill All The Moslems
Ahmer Muzammil August 12, 2006
#243 Posted by zeemax on August 23, 2006 2:17:03 am
...another macaca.... they certainly are breeding at an alarming pace ...
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#242 Posted by uba on August 23, 2006 12:43:51 am
Muslim Cultures are Ghetto Cultures , which tends to isolate muslim minds from the rest of the world (non muslim world). Only ``isolated-closed minds`` can be brainwashed with any desired ideology. Muslim Cultures produce minds in which terrorism tends to take root & burst into flames under particular circumstances. Madarsas with their mullahs are professionals in the art of producing narrow-limited minds , with total emphasis on rote learning of quran without questioning.
Every person spends his most formative years under the watchful eyes of the females(mothers/grandmothers etc) of his family. The whole world knows how pathetic the literacy figures of muslim females are ! What kind of instruction can you expect from them ?
They can get away with any kind of nonsense if they are living in a muslim monculture, but see what happens when muslims start living in a multicultural society ?
muslims have demostrated clearly they are unfit to live in a polyculture society of the 21st century.
Every person spends his most formative years under the watchful eyes of the females(mothers/grandmothers etc) of his family. The whole world knows how pathetic the literacy figures of muslim females are ! What kind of instruction can you expect from them ?
They can get away with any kind of nonsense if they are living in a muslim monculture, but see what happens when muslims start living in a multicultural society ?
muslims have demostrated clearly they are unfit to live in a polyculture society of the 21st century.
#241 Posted by harish_hyd on August 22, 2006 9:55:18 pm
#240 by ahmek23
Because you see my dear sir that we don`t choose our parents, most of us do however have control over our actions so its only fair that our GOD is not prejudice against us just because we arent part of a specific klan.
Sure...Ahmek23 mian, is that why the Koran says look for the Kafir behind every tree and under every rock and kill him? How egalitarian!!! No wonder the Yankees are lining up to convert. After all, in a law abiding and civilized nation, it isn`t easy to stone Kafirs to death, once all of America converts, it should be easy no?
Because you see my dear sir that we don`t choose our parents, most of us do however have control over our actions so its only fair that our GOD is not prejudice against us just because we arent part of a specific klan.
Sure...Ahmek23 mian, is that why the Koran says look for the Kafir behind every tree and under every rock and kill him? How egalitarian!!! No wonder the Yankees are lining up to convert. After all, in a law abiding and civilized nation, it isn`t easy to stone Kafirs to death, once all of America converts, it should be easy no?
#240 Posted by ahmer23 on August 22, 2006 9:39:14 pm
Shah sahab:
Just to set the record straight my forefathers hailed from Arabia, migrated to farshore in iran and later on settled in the sub-continent. However to assume that the converts in sub-continent merely converted just so they can be part of the ruling elite is as juvenile an assumption as they come. It`s rather unfair to malign the converts as mere opportunists who were trying to get some favors from the state. Could there be a possibility that vast majority of them converted because Islam is the religion of nature and common sense, maybe for the same reason that 20,000 americans convert every year despite all the rap? Could it be that It`s just easier to worship an Ilah who is one & all powerful rather than worshiping cows, rats, fagotty looking man-made statues? Maybe the thing that appealled to the masses was that everyone is equal in the eyes of the creator and the superiority is not becuase one was born a brahman. Because you see my dear sir that we don`t choose our parents, most of us do however have control over our actions so its only fair that our GOD is not prejudice against us just because we arent part of a specific klan. I would convert as well if my religion forced me to sit in the back seats or have hot oil poured in my ears if i heard the ``CHOOSEN`` men pray. And infact if your justification does hold any weight whatsoever than how come those same muslims arent converting back to the beautiful hinduism now that there live`s are at stake. Please don`t say that they are edicted to beef, give these people and their forefathers the same respect and consideration that you would like others to render towards your`s.
Just to set the record straight my forefathers hailed from Arabia, migrated to farshore in iran and later on settled in the sub-continent. However to assume that the converts in sub-continent merely converted just so they can be part of the ruling elite is as juvenile an assumption as they come. It`s rather unfair to malign the converts as mere opportunists who were trying to get some favors from the state. Could there be a possibility that vast majority of them converted because Islam is the religion of nature and common sense, maybe for the same reason that 20,000 americans convert every year despite all the rap? Could it be that It`s just easier to worship an Ilah who is one & all powerful rather than worshiping cows, rats, fagotty looking man-made statues? Maybe the thing that appealled to the masses was that everyone is equal in the eyes of the creator and the superiority is not becuase one was born a brahman. Because you see my dear sir that we don`t choose our parents, most of us do however have control over our actions so its only fair that our GOD is not prejudice against us just because we arent part of a specific klan. I would convert as well if my religion forced me to sit in the back seats or have hot oil poured in my ears if i heard the ``CHOOSEN`` men pray. And infact if your justification does hold any weight whatsoever than how come those same muslims arent converting back to the beautiful hinduism now that there live`s are at stake. Please don`t say that they are edicted to beef, give these people and their forefathers the same respect and consideration that you would like others to render towards your`s.
#239 Posted by VRV on August 22, 2006 7:36:24 pm
Re: # 238
Mr. Shah,
I have to repect your age b4 I start this.
If you look at the map of British India and the districts of Muslim majority then we can deduce that the infusion is from the north west, which it always was as NW was the gateway of India, in fact Bolan Pass was in the West and Khyber Pass in the north were the traditional gateways of India.
Starting with Mod bin Qasim till the advent of Moguls in 1526, there were many expeditions on India. Sirajuddowla ruled Bengal and for the reasons of social composition the native population converted (I am oversimplifying). It was the practice of Muslim rulers to give allowances for new converts. India was not self-sufficient in food grains and people fell for these allowances apart from caste reasons and other reasons of political patronage. For lower castes, we can say this but for Rajputs and Brahmins there must be other reasons.
The Butts in Pakistan/Bhats in Indian Kashmir were brahmins converts of Kashmir origin. They were done so during Zainul Abideen in 15th century (they were given 3 options a. eviction b. death c. conversion). You may be aware that Punjab was not a Muslim majority province till 1901. Majority is fairly a new phenomenon there.
When you say that Hindus treat muslims as mlechchas is another oversimplification. It was the Brahmins who treated outsiders as mlechchas not all. Rajputs, though started as adversaries of Moguls became very close to them even during Aurangzeb time. India was a fertile ground for all fair skinned invaders as natives were caste-ridden and submissive to fair-skinned people. Moreover the use of horse was the basic difference between the central Asian and native Indian rulers (quick movemnets in warfare/manoeuvrability).
The synthesis of two major cultures happened at grassroots level where bards, faqirs and peers and petty swamis were patronised by (petit) burgeosie and commoners alike. These guys spread religion not in the sense we see them now. It was an effort in spreading a msg but not a concerted effort for proselytisation.
In my belief it was mostly state-patronised, some people escaped caste oppression and for a few percentage an appeal of the new religion (oneness of god, lack of idol worship, universal brotherhood etc.). Complete conversion did not happen as the kings themselves depended on Hindu ministers and Rajput soldiers. You can see strong pockets of Muslim population in pre-47 India. It was 26% wich was very high. Even Moguls have their satraps i.e quasi-independent rulers within the empire much like princely states in British India, which prevented wholesale convesrions (if I can assess it correctly).
Religion in my view is a personal equation between and individaul and his/her god. People who change their religion turn against their own brothers? This is what had happened during 1947. The same rivalries are being fanned by vested interests even now.
If I can sum up the story, it was the concern of the elites (Pakistan), nobles and the descendents of courtiers of Nawabs who were obviously were not native Indians but Turkis, Iranis, Turanis (Afghans) etc., Their concerns are different. They can read and write in Persian, the court language. The so called agenda of ML is exactly this, language and religion. The natives like our friend turned against his brothers because of this alien agenda of the foreigners who lived the life of patronage but when confronted with the reality of independence they fanned this sectarian hatred (there are many strands in this). I am not absloving the Hindu leaders of any wrongdoing in this either. It was however basicllay the concern of the elite and nobles and ther descendents.
The old dead foxes (Gandhi and Jinnah) are ruling our lives from their graves. Earlier we know this better for us. Future is ahed of us, lets not bicker about our past misdeeds. THAT IS MY CONCERN. I have nothing against Mr. Ahmer or Pakistan. Why cant Pakistanis build positive nationalism i/o anti-Indianism as Pak nationalism?
Mr. Shah,
I have to repect your age b4 I start this.
If you look at the map of British India and the districts of Muslim majority then we can deduce that the infusion is from the north west, which it always was as NW was the gateway of India, in fact Bolan Pass was in the West and Khyber Pass in the north were the traditional gateways of India.
Starting with Mod bin Qasim till the advent of Moguls in 1526, there were many expeditions on India. Sirajuddowla ruled Bengal and for the reasons of social composition the native population converted (I am oversimplifying). It was the practice of Muslim rulers to give allowances for new converts. India was not self-sufficient in food grains and people fell for these allowances apart from caste reasons and other reasons of political patronage. For lower castes, we can say this but for Rajputs and Brahmins there must be other reasons.
The Butts in Pakistan/Bhats in Indian Kashmir were brahmins converts of Kashmir origin. They were done so during Zainul Abideen in 15th century (they were given 3 options a. eviction b. death c. conversion). You may be aware that Punjab was not a Muslim majority province till 1901. Majority is fairly a new phenomenon there.
When you say that Hindus treat muslims as mlechchas is another oversimplification. It was the Brahmins who treated outsiders as mlechchas not all. Rajputs, though started as adversaries of Moguls became very close to them even during Aurangzeb time. India was a fertile ground for all fair skinned invaders as natives were caste-ridden and submissive to fair-skinned people. Moreover the use of horse was the basic difference between the central Asian and native Indian rulers (quick movemnets in warfare/manoeuvrability).
The synthesis of two major cultures happened at grassroots level where bards, faqirs and peers and petty swamis were patronised by (petit) burgeosie and commoners alike. These guys spread religion not in the sense we see them now. It was an effort in spreading a msg but not a concerted effort for proselytisation.
In my belief it was mostly state-patronised, some people escaped caste oppression and for a few percentage an appeal of the new religion (oneness of god, lack of idol worship, universal brotherhood etc.). Complete conversion did not happen as the kings themselves depended on Hindu ministers and Rajput soldiers. You can see strong pockets of Muslim population in pre-47 India. It was 26% wich was very high. Even Moguls have their satraps i.e quasi-independent rulers within the empire much like princely states in British India, which prevented wholesale convesrions (if I can assess it correctly).
Religion in my view is a personal equation between and individaul and his/her god. People who change their religion turn against their own brothers? This is what had happened during 1947. The same rivalries are being fanned by vested interests even now.
If I can sum up the story, it was the concern of the elites (Pakistan), nobles and the descendents of courtiers of Nawabs who were obviously were not native Indians but Turkis, Iranis, Turanis (Afghans) etc., Their concerns are different. They can read and write in Persian, the court language. The so called agenda of ML is exactly this, language and religion. The natives like our friend turned against his brothers because of this alien agenda of the foreigners who lived the life of patronage but when confronted with the reality of independence they fanned this sectarian hatred (there are many strands in this). I am not absloving the Hindu leaders of any wrongdoing in this either. It was however basicllay the concern of the elite and nobles and ther descendents.
The old dead foxes (Gandhi and Jinnah) are ruling our lives from their graves. Earlier we know this better for us. Future is ahed of us, lets not bicker about our past misdeeds. THAT IS MY CONCERN. I have nothing against Mr. Ahmer or Pakistan. Why cant Pakistanis build positive nationalism i/o anti-Indianism as Pak nationalism?
#238 Posted by teshah on August 22, 2006 5:34:03 pm
Re: # 233
VRV
``So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority.``
I always wonder why Muslims in India remained a minority despite thousand years of rule by Muslims there. Why Muslim rulers could not convert the majority as they were able to do in most of the countries they ruled for a much lesser time? In fact socially the Hindus were never subdued and continued to treat Muslims with contempt as `Maleechhas`. Was this due to the social engineering of `Chhoot chhaat`? In short how they contnued to resist the obvious incentive of becoming `rulers` instead of remaining `zimmies` by simply converting to Islam as Ahmer`s forefathers might have done.
VRV
``So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority.``
I always wonder why Muslims in India remained a minority despite thousand years of rule by Muslims there. Why Muslim rulers could not convert the majority as they were able to do in most of the countries they ruled for a much lesser time? In fact socially the Hindus were never subdued and continued to treat Muslims with contempt as `Maleechhas`. Was this due to the social engineering of `Chhoot chhaat`? In short how they contnued to resist the obvious incentive of becoming `rulers` instead of remaining `zimmies` by simply converting to Islam as Ahmer`s forefathers might have done.
#237 Posted by arjun_m on August 22, 2006 8:51:47 am
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#236 Posted by althaf51 on August 22, 2006 8:45:58 am
Your analysis of the problem shows a fundamental fallacy, it begins with an assumption that rest of the world want to eliminate the entire Muslim population. . Iam an Indian Muslim who lived in different parts of India, Middle East and in the west. With all the confidence I can say that there is no conspiracy lurking anywhere in this universe to wipe out one fifth of the worlds population. By the language and the tone of Ahmer muzammil’s article and the responses that one see, makes me suspect that any kind of discussion on Islam is impossible without taking extreme sides. His reasoning of terrorist acts by jihadis is typical examples of a sick Muslim mindset that always indulge in defending the indefensible I would just like to add one thing, root cause of some of the problems ,if not all, is Muslim’s reluctance to accept pluralism in a cosmopolitan world, we want our archaic version of social system imposed on them and expect them to accept us unconditionally.. We want their social security and we need them to accept our values of freedom of expression and rights of women. We want to take marches out in favor of taliban or saddam and want to enjoy protection of liberal democracy at the same time. . we tend nurse our grievances like a virtue instead of trying to address them. ,
Surely not every one in the world would be willing to accept quran as the only source of universal wisdom and sharia as the most progressive document mankind has ever seen. We can have civilized debates only with civilized people, people who are will to accept differences of opinions and diversity of culture. Muslims should learn to live in harmony with people of other faith, but before that we should even need to learn to live in harmony with one another. I am all for a resolution of conflict in Palestine and Lebanon in favor of Arabs. But your understanding of problems in Middle East smacks ignorance and it is only a mullah version of a complex geopolitical conflict. No conflict is onesided, and our arab and Muslims brethren are not paragons of virtue. For godsake don’t misunderstand me, iam not a moderate Muslim but a strict one, who says prayers five times a day. But I strongly believe that we need to distinguish faith and fanaticism. stop feeding bigotry, Let us be reasonable Ahmer.
Surely not every one in the world would be willing to accept quran as the only source of universal wisdom and sharia as the most progressive document mankind has ever seen. We can have civilized debates only with civilized people, people who are will to accept differences of opinions and diversity of culture. Muslims should learn to live in harmony with people of other faith, but before that we should even need to learn to live in harmony with one another. I am all for a resolution of conflict in Palestine and Lebanon in favor of Arabs. But your understanding of problems in Middle East smacks ignorance and it is only a mullah version of a complex geopolitical conflict. No conflict is onesided, and our arab and Muslims brethren are not paragons of virtue. For godsake don’t misunderstand me, iam not a moderate Muslim but a strict one, who says prayers five times a day. But I strongly believe that we need to distinguish faith and fanaticism. stop feeding bigotry, Let us be reasonable Ahmer.
#235 Posted by emthree1 on August 22, 2006 3:07:52 am
Re: # 234
``Could there be a possibility that there might be 2 ahmer`s in the world?``
It would appear from your handle that there are at least 23:-)
``Could there be a possibility that there might be 2 ahmer`s in the world?``
It would appear from your handle that there are at least 23:-)
#234 Posted by ahmer23 on August 21, 2006 8:59:05 pm
VRV:
i wouldnt comment on anything you said because its not worth commenting on except that i didnt write the article, that`s like saying since your nick is VRV, you must be the indian fast bowler (indian fast bowler? is there such an animal). Let me present a wild and crazy idea, Could there be a possibility that there might be 2 ahmer`s in the world? Mind blowing stuff isn`t it?
i wouldnt comment on anything you said because its not worth commenting on except that i didnt write the article, that`s like saying since your nick is VRV, you must be the indian fast bowler (indian fast bowler? is there such an animal). Let me present a wild and crazy idea, Could there be a possibility that there might be 2 ahmer`s in the world? Mind blowing stuff isn`t it?
#233 Posted by VRV on August 21, 2006 7:30:43 pm
Re: # 229
Ahmer23,
We didn`t see the real Ahmed in your article but we did in your bigoted post, wide brushing all Indians.
Uglines is a matter of degree. When compared to Europeans & Central Asian, Pakistanis look that - ugly.
From my experience of knowing Pakistanis since 1999 (in various countries), I never came across a single brave Pakistani (say Punjabi). I even wrote to some columnists in Pakistan as to why they behave like cowards (Burhanuddin Hasan from The News for eg.). I am yet meet a manli Punjabi in England or elsewhere. Even in workplace, if there`s an argument or serious altercation, it`s the Muslims Punjabis (8 Punju Muslims, 1 Indian) who wet their pants. To make it doubly strong, I should quote the rulers of Punjab. It was brave lion-hearted Punjabi Sikhs, not Punjabi Muslims who ruled Punjab. They never ruled Punjab nor they are richer at any time in United Punjab. They are labourers working in the fields of Sikhs.
I am very reticent to use the example of Gujarat (as I hate the communal riots as a matter of principle), it was the Muslims who received serious ass-whooping not Hindus, though they constitue about 20-30% in some places in Gujarat.
>>>>So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority.<<<<
It was not the coward Punjabis or cunning Sindhis who ruled India but warrior-class from Central Asia. When they came you were one of the subjects who received the beating....
It`s in the very nature of coward Punjabis to side with the winners.
Even the outcome of the wars since 1947, it was Muslims Punjabis who wet their pants.
I cant deny that this board attracted some unsavioury, aggressive comments but who`s more bigoted?
Despite receiving serious ass-whooping from the Americans Lebanon and elsewhere you guys never seem to learn anything. The era of Arab domination in this world was over long ago. You cant seem to get over this yet.
Ahmer23,
We didn`t see the real Ahmed in your article but we did in your bigoted post, wide brushing all Indians.
Uglines is a matter of degree. When compared to Europeans & Central Asian, Pakistanis look that - ugly.
From my experience of knowing Pakistanis since 1999 (in various countries), I never came across a single brave Pakistani (say Punjabi). I even wrote to some columnists in Pakistan as to why they behave like cowards (Burhanuddin Hasan from The News for eg.). I am yet meet a manli Punjabi in England or elsewhere. Even in workplace, if there`s an argument or serious altercation, it`s the Muslims Punjabis (8 Punju Muslims, 1 Indian) who wet their pants. To make it doubly strong, I should quote the rulers of Punjab. It was brave lion-hearted Punjabi Sikhs, not Punjabi Muslims who ruled Punjab. They never ruled Punjab nor they are richer at any time in United Punjab. They are labourers working in the fields of Sikhs.
I am very reticent to use the example of Gujarat (as I hate the communal riots as a matter of principle), it was the Muslims who received serious ass-whooping not Hindus, though they constitue about 20-30% in some places in Gujarat.
>>>>So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority.<<<<
It was not the coward Punjabis or cunning Sindhis who ruled India but warrior-class from Central Asia. When they came you were one of the subjects who received the beating....
It`s in the very nature of coward Punjabis to side with the winners.
Even the outcome of the wars since 1947, it was Muslims Punjabis who wet their pants.
I cant deny that this board attracted some unsavioury, aggressive comments but who`s more bigoted?
Despite receiving serious ass-whooping from the Americans Lebanon and elsewhere you guys never seem to learn anything. The era of Arab domination in this world was over long ago. You cant seem to get over this yet.
#232 Posted by ahmer23 on August 21, 2006 2:59:52 pm
re: 231 & 230
Zeemax & Echo
Jazak Allah Kheyr for the kind words, keep representin` with a grin on ur face. They hate smilin` brotherz. besides how can anyone take THESE morons seriously!
nUTHIN BUT PEACE & LOVE
Zeemax & Echo
Jazak Allah Kheyr for the kind words, keep representin` with a grin on ur face. They hate smilin` brotherz. besides how can anyone take THESE morons seriously!
nUTHIN BUT PEACE & LOVE
#231 Posted by zeemax on August 21, 2006 1:37:19 pm
#229 by ahmer23
Glad to make your acquaintance.
Hindus are what they are because they don`t have `Muhammad` and `Qura`an`, or Iqbal for that matter:
For you my friend, the following:
I couldn`t crop the first Sheyr on the left from the .jpg for emphasis, but that is the gist:
Translation:
Razes to the ground the borrowed earth and the skies;
and creates a universe of its own from the ashes.
Glad to make your acquaintance.
Hindus are what they are because they don`t have `Muhammad` and `Qura`an`, or Iqbal for that matter:
For you my friend, the following:
I couldn`t crop the first Sheyr on the left from the .jpg for emphasis, but that is the gist:
Translation:
Razes to the ground the borrowed earth and the skies;
and creates a universe of its own from the ashes.
#230 Posted by echoboom on August 21, 2006 11:13:58 am
ahmer23:
You are thrice welcome here. We need more like you.
Visit more; stay long.
Thank you indeed from all muslims here. (kafirs, murtadoons, munafiquoons, and merlot-muslims are not amused with your presence. Please not-amuse them more often)
You are thrice welcome here. We need more like you.
Visit more; stay long.
Thank you indeed from all muslims here. (kafirs, murtadoons, munafiquoons, and merlot-muslims are not amused with your presence. Please not-amuse them more often)
#229 Posted by ahmer23 on August 21, 2006 10:24:16 am
There are 2 types of human beings that have been ranting on this message board. 1) “I wish my name was Chris Johanssen rather than Chaudhry Fakhar BUTT” type. 2) The naive Muslims. And then there is my favorite, Bigoted and bitter hindoos, let’s deal with this kind first.
I believe that ugly people should never be rude and they aren’t usually in real life. That’s why I get along with most hindoos in real life. The problem comes in cyber-space where there is anonymity and the possibility of confrontation is completely eliminated, hence this charade of tough-talk from the “sabji’s”(you have to shake your head side-ways in order to get the wholesome experience). I have been living in America for almost 10 years now and I have never ever met a hostile, in your-face and confrontational hindoo ever. That’s why I am astonished to see this many in cyber-space, but the reason as I said before is that in real life they are usually submissive because they are afraid of a serious ass-whooping, even though in America there are laws but the trauma from back home lingers on. See in India, obviously muslims are a minority but unless the ratio is 20:1 or something, they always get a serious beating and that kind of thing stays with you wherever you go, so i don’t condone it but I do understand it. Please know that I am not a Hater, I have utmost respect for people like arundhati roy and sunil dutt’s of the world who are a badge of honor for the entire humanity. It’s this cyber-hindoo-machoman that I am not too hot about. Hindoo-machoman? Isn’t that an oxy-moron, oh well we ‘ll let it slide. So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority. What was the reason behind that? It’s really too complicated to discuss it here, simply put, we could so we did. Productive thing to do would be to get over that and move-on but for some un-godly reason the hindoos are stuck in 1947. They are pissed off that how come when it was our turn to rule, with the help of brit’s offcourse, muslims again pulled a fast one by getting Pakistan. Now as you might have noticed that this article had nothing in the world to do with Hindoos and Pakistan but is anyone surprised at all that, as always they made it “ISI and Dawood Ibrahim are the one’s actually bombing in Lebanon and Israel”? No matter what the issue is, hindoos make it about ISI and dawood ibrahim. Who killed JFK? Dawood who else! Tsunami, what a tragedy ehh? ISI did it, those bastards! They only thing that they haven’t blamed on Dawood and ISI YET is jesus’s crucifixion, oh did I jinx it?
Now, lets deal with the “I wish my name was Chris Johanssen rather than Chaudhry Fakhar BUTT” type. Just so everyone is on the same page with us, let me give you some examples of this type. Isra Naumani of the “proud mother of a bastard child” and mixed prayer fame, irshad manji “I am a lesbian therefore it automatically makes me an alternative psudo-muslim-intellectual” and there are others but you get the picture. The thing we have to understand about this type is that it’s not personal, it’s just a paycheck. Some people sell their bodies to put food on the table some sell crazy, we shouldn’t judge, just say a prayer, and please for the love of GOD don’t take them so seriously, it’s a circus act, at the most clap.
Now to the naïve muslim type. There is hope here so I will attempt to talk sense, maybe it’s not too late. You are making this too complicated people. It’s really very very simple. Either there is God or there isn’t. I believe there is one and only one, and I believe that he sent messengers to help us out on this TEST that we call life. God sent us on earth to test us whether we will play by the rules and regulations that he has set for us. If we do then he has promised eternal bliss for us if we don’t then there is a possibility of hell-fire. Where is the confusion people? Is it about the rules and regulations? Are you mad because God prohibited you from getting un-wedded nucki? Would you like to enjoy a glass of wine with your meal? Go on, knock yourself out. Maybe its all a myth, maybe all what prophet (PBUH) said and the rules that he conveyed were false or maybe he was misinterpreted. Maybe he wasn’t. I am not willing to take the risk, if you are, be my guest. As long as you are comfortable and confident for the interview with the creator, it’s all good in the hood. If you don’t think you’ll be inquired about the fajar-salah or the zakat or the drinking or the lying and hurting innocent sole’s and all the supposed bad things that prophet (pbuh) warned us against, then keep living it up. Maybe God won’t ask us anything and will send all of us to paradise without reckoning and he will make his prophet (pbuh) a liar. But maybe and just maybe he won’t. I commit sins but I am not brave about them I am humble and apologetic about my sins, if you want to mock the rules and regulations, by all means have a ball. Like I said if your belief is that there will be an interview with the creator then you should prepare for the questions that will be asked. There seem to be confusion about what questions will be asked. I believe that the authentic ahadiths (sayings) of the prophet (pbuh) shed some light on what those questions would be, some of you make fun of that tradition, maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but if you are wrong it’ll be kindda funny that you messed up your eternity for a life that is no more than 60-70 years.
Krishna_abcd:
you are absolutely right, people should stop respecting Muhammad (PBUH) and they should start praying to monky`s and elephants and snakes and genitalia, that makes much more sense deosn`t it? There is not enough cow-piss in the world however to ``purify`` if all muslims were to convert to hidnuism, there would a major shortage of cow-piss, it`ll be your loss, no cow-piss to take a bath with. Be careful what you wish for!
I believe that ugly people should never be rude and they aren’t usually in real life. That’s why I get along with most hindoos in real life. The problem comes in cyber-space where there is anonymity and the possibility of confrontation is completely eliminated, hence this charade of tough-talk from the “sabji’s”(you have to shake your head side-ways in order to get the wholesome experience). I have been living in America for almost 10 years now and I have never ever met a hostile, in your-face and confrontational hindoo ever. That’s why I am astonished to see this many in cyber-space, but the reason as I said before is that in real life they are usually submissive because they are afraid of a serious ass-whooping, even though in America there are laws but the trauma from back home lingers on. See in India, obviously muslims are a minority but unless the ratio is 20:1 or something, they always get a serious beating and that kind of thing stays with you wherever you go, so i don’t condone it but I do understand it. Please know that I am not a Hater, I have utmost respect for people like arundhati roy and sunil dutt’s of the world who are a badge of honor for the entire humanity. It’s this cyber-hindoo-machoman that I am not too hot about. Hindoo-machoman? Isn’t that an oxy-moron, oh well we ‘ll let it slide. So I was saying that the bigoted hindoos still haven’t forgiven themselves really more than anyone else for letting muslims rule them for thousands of years even though muslims have always been a clear minority. What was the reason behind that? It’s really too complicated to discuss it here, simply put, we could so we did. Productive thing to do would be to get over that and move-on but for some un-godly reason the hindoos are stuck in 1947. They are pissed off that how come when it was our turn to rule, with the help of brit’s offcourse, muslims again pulled a fast one by getting Pakistan. Now as you might have noticed that this article had nothing in the world to do with Hindoos and Pakistan but is anyone surprised at all that, as always they made it “ISI and Dawood Ibrahim are the one’s actually bombing in Lebanon and Israel”? No matter what the issue is, hindoos make it about ISI and dawood ibrahim. Who killed JFK? Dawood who else! Tsunami, what a tragedy ehh? ISI did it, those bastards! They only thing that they haven’t blamed on Dawood and ISI YET is jesus’s crucifixion, oh did I jinx it?
Now, lets deal with the “I wish my name was Chris Johanssen rather than Chaudhry Fakhar BUTT” type. Just so everyone is on the same page with us, let me give you some examples of this type. Isra Naumani of the “proud mother of a bastard child” and mixed prayer fame, irshad manji “I am a lesbian therefore it automatically makes me an alternative psudo-muslim-intellectual” and there are others but you get the picture. The thing we have to understand about this type is that it’s not personal, it’s just a paycheck. Some people sell their bodies to put food on the table some sell crazy, we shouldn’t judge, just say a prayer, and please for the love of GOD don’t take them so seriously, it’s a circus act, at the most clap.
Now to the naïve muslim type. There is hope here so I will attempt to talk sense, maybe it’s not too late. You are making this too complicated people. It’s really very very simple. Either there is God or there isn’t. I believe there is one and only one, and I believe that he sent messengers to help us out on this TEST that we call life. God sent us on earth to test us whether we will play by the rules and regulations that he has set for us. If we do then he has promised eternal bliss for us if we don’t then there is a possibility of hell-fire. Where is the confusion people? Is it about the rules and regulations? Are you mad because God prohibited you from getting un-wedded nucki? Would you like to enjoy a glass of wine with your meal? Go on, knock yourself out. Maybe its all a myth, maybe all what prophet (PBUH) said and the rules that he conveyed were false or maybe he was misinterpreted. Maybe he wasn’t. I am not willing to take the risk, if you are, be my guest. As long as you are comfortable and confident for the interview with the creator, it’s all good in the hood. If you don’t think you’ll be inquired about the fajar-salah or the zakat or the drinking or the lying and hurting innocent sole’s and all the supposed bad things that prophet (pbuh) warned us against, then keep living it up. Maybe God won’t ask us anything and will send all of us to paradise without reckoning and he will make his prophet (pbuh) a liar. But maybe and just maybe he won’t. I commit sins but I am not brave about them I am humble and apologetic about my sins, if you want to mock the rules and regulations, by all means have a ball. Like I said if your belief is that there will be an interview with the creator then you should prepare for the questions that will be asked. There seem to be confusion about what questions will be asked. I believe that the authentic ahadiths (sayings) of the prophet (pbuh) shed some light on what those questions would be, some of you make fun of that tradition, maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but if you are wrong it’ll be kindda funny that you messed up your eternity for a life that is no more than 60-70 years.
Krishna_abcd:
you are absolutely right, people should stop respecting Muhammad (PBUH) and they should start praying to monky`s and elephants and snakes and genitalia, that makes much more sense deosn`t it? There is not enough cow-piss in the world however to ``purify`` if all muslims were to convert to hidnuism, there would a major shortage of cow-piss, it`ll be your loss, no cow-piss to take a bath with. Be careful what you wish for!
#228 Posted by ballukhan on August 21, 2006 5:52:18 am
Ustad Bismillah Khan , the doyen of the Ganga-Jamuna Tehzeb of India died today at 2:30 p.m . He refused to be cowed down by the mullahs both within India and those across the border . May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon his soul!
The sweetness of the shehnai has been snatched away
Nilanjana Bhaduri Jha
By day it is a hot, dusty town that has long forgotten to differentiate between resident and visitor. All an inextricable part of the mass that rushes up and down the narrow streets of Varanasi. Patient, unmoved cows meet angry cars in traffic snarls and rickshaws win the day.
By day there is work, worship – the everyday bustle.
Then, the shadows lengthen. Ancient mysteries awakened, the daily grind has given way to the promise of once upon a time. It’s time to head for the ghats of the Ganga. Where a vantage perch will throw up the cycle of life in one sweep of the horizon. On the left, a pyre smoulders down to the embers that will be ash tomorrow. On the right, a celebration of life as last paeans are sung to the Gods before the many priests call it a day.
Across, a giant flaming orb prepares to sink gratefully into the cool of the mammoth river. It hangs in there for the next few minutes, daring you to freeze the moment. That’s the time to set sail in a boat. In pursuit of all that will overwhelm the senses.
http://xtraedition.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1912850.cms
The sweetness of the shehnai has been snatched away
Nilanjana Bhaduri Jha
By day it is a hot, dusty town that has long forgotten to differentiate between resident and visitor. All an inextricable part of the mass that rushes up and down the narrow streets of Varanasi. Patient, unmoved cows meet angry cars in traffic snarls and rickshaws win the day.
By day there is work, worship – the everyday bustle.
Then, the shadows lengthen. Ancient mysteries awakened, the daily grind has given way to the promise of once upon a time. It’s time to head for the ghats of the Ganga. Where a vantage perch will throw up the cycle of life in one sweep of the horizon. On the left, a pyre smoulders down to the embers that will be ash tomorrow. On the right, a celebration of life as last paeans are sung to the Gods before the many priests call it a day.
Across, a giant flaming orb prepares to sink gratefully into the cool of the mammoth river. It hangs in there for the next few minutes, daring you to freeze the moment. That’s the time to set sail in a boat. In pursuit of all that will overwhelm the senses.
http://xtraedition.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1912850.cms
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