Let's Kill All The Moslems

well well...lookie here...the indigenous freedom fighters of the Laskhar-e-Toiba are linked to the UK terror plot..

<sarcasm>It`s a good thing the JuD wasn`t able to collect funds from pakis or receive the support of the paki government or that would have given me a chance to radicalize some more pakis with an outpouring of my hateful posts....</sarcasm>

Pakistani Charity Under Scrutiny in Plot
By DEXTER FILKINS and SOUAD MEKHENNET

LONDON, Aug. 13 — British and Pakistani investigators are trying to determine whether the group of Britons suspected of plotting to blow up as many as 10 commercial airliners may have received money raised for earthquake relief by a Pakistani charity that is a front for an Islamic militant group.

The charity, Jamaat ud Dawa, which is active in the mosques of Britain’s largest cities, played a significant role in carrying out relief efforts after last October’s earthquake in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir.

It is one of the most militant of the groups battling the part of Kashmir controlled by India. In May, it was labeled a terrorist organization by the United States government.

British and Pakistani investigators are looking into the possibility that the group, whose name means the Association of the Call to Righteousness, passed the earthquake donations raised in British mosques to the plotters, according to two people familiar with the investigation.

One former Pakistani official close to the intelligence officials there said Jamaat ud Dawa provided the money that was to be used to buy plane tickets for the suspects to conduct a practice run as well as the attacks themselves. The money is believed to have come directly from the group’s network in Britain and was not sent from Pakistan, the former official said.

“The Pakistanis have been asked by the British to examine the links between Jamaat ud Dawa and the suspects in the airplane attack,” the former Pakistani official said.

According to a former British security official familiar with the investigation, some of the money raised in British mosques also went to the group’s militant activities in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Both the former Pakistani official and the former British official spoke only on the condition of anonymity.

On Wednesday, Pakistani officials detained Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, the head of the organization.

On Sunday, a senior American law enforcement official said that the British police and intelligence officials had identified several suspected accomplices of the plotters who were believed to have provided support to the plot outside Britain. The new suspects were identified by checking the arrested men’s computers, the official said.

After the earthquake, which killed some 73,000 people, Jamaat ud Dawa raised funds in British Pakistani areas in London, Birmingham and Manchester. The group also urged British people of Pakistani origin to go to the region to help in the relief efforts, and hundreds did.

Several of the 23 suspects still in custody after the arrests by British police on Thursday — most of them Britons of Pakistani descent — traveled to Pakistan last year, ostensibly to help with earthquake relief efforts, said Nasir Ahmed, a leader among Britain’s Pakistanis and a member of the House of Lords.

Mr. Ahmed said he was not sure how many of the suspects rounded up last week had gone to Kashmir to help, but among those who had gone were the suspects arrested in High Wycombe, west of London. The former Pakistani official said several of the suspects had gone to Pakistan at the time of the earthquake.

The official declined to say whether the suspects were believed to have been organizers or people who had provided support, like passports and safe houses.

Mr. Ahmed said it was possible that those who went came into contact with the militant Islamic organizations that were doing the relief work on the Pakistani-controlled side of Kashmir, where most of the casualties were. Indeed, at the time, Jamaat ud Dawa was welcomed by people in the area for stepping in where the Pakistani government had failed. The group was praised as one of the few providing aid efficiently, while Muslims around the world complained that Pakistanis had been abandoned.

“In the first few days, it was only religious organizations, the militant organizations, that were prepared to dig out people and provide relief supplies,” Mr. Ahmed said. “It is possible that young people, many people, who have gone from U.K., may have fallen into hands of organizations like Jamaat Ud Dawa.”

As both a militant group and a social welfare organization, Jamaat ud Dawa resembles its brethren in other parts of the Muslim world, like Hamas in the Palestinian territories and Hezbollah in Lebanon. In the days after the Sept. 11 attacks, the United States government shut down many Muslim charities that it said were financing militant activities.

No one from Jamaat ud Dawa could be located Sunday in Britain. Its Web site says the organization has provided food to some 54,000 families who were struck by the earthquake. It also claims to be “one of the most feared militant groups fighting in Kashmir.” The Web site displays a photograph of Mr. Saeed leading a demonstration protesting the United States government’s designation of his group as a terrorist organization.

The details of the suspected plot to blow up the airliners began to emerge Thursday, when the police in Britain detained 24 people. The authorities said the suspects, most of them British-born young men of Pakistani descent, intended to smuggle liquid-based explosives onto 9 or 10 commercial airliners headed for the United States and detonate them as they approached. British officials said the plot, had it been successful, could have killed thousands.

The day before, on Wednesday, the police in Pakistan had arrested a British-born man they said was linked to Al Qaeda. They say they have at least one other British man in custody and are looking for at least one other suspect.

American and Pakistani officials have long believed that Jamaat ud Dawa is the successor organization to Lashkar-e-Taiba, which was banned in 2002 by the Pakistani government, under American pressure, after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

It has called for holy war against the United States, India and Israel. Although it has avoided direct association with Al Qaeda, links between the groups have often surfaced. Abu Zubaida, the senior Qaeda member captured by Pakistani forces in the city Faisalabad in 2002, was found hiding in a safe house for Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Don Van Natta contributed reporting from New Jersey for this article.

#192 by Salim_Chauhan on August 14, 2006 1:39pm PT


You have a point there


Fine...the IRA was fighting for the cause of the Irish Catholics.


If a catholic spaniard killed a bunch of brits to protest the brit treatment of the irish, he would be a catholic terrorist...

just like brit-pakis planning to kill thousands of people for iraq/afghanistan/lebanon are islamic terrorists..

#190, Krishna {``could you give a list of the crimes committed by these ``hindutva`` goons? ``}

Krishna, my friend.
You have got to be joking. The gory facts of right-wing Hindutva violence, including rapes/murders/mutilations/arson and the connivance of the Modi government in Gujarat are well established. There is no point in my repeating all those sources, horrid pictures, and eye-witness accounts, by both Hindu and Muslim sources. Mr. Bal Thackeray`s involvement and Mr. Advani`s cheerleading of Hindutva extremists in the Ayodhya mosque domolition are also well-documented. Please see Chowk archies for the various accounts.
Thanks.

#191 arjun {``Because it was an Irish cause, not a catholic clause ...``}

Arjun,
So, the IRA was fighting for the Irish cause - even the Protestant Irish one. :) They don`t like the Orangemen because the latter are anti-Irish and not anti-Catholic. King James, and William of William & Mary were all anti-Irish and not anti-Catholic.

Arjun, please don`t misinterpret history and facts - it doesn`t suit you or your image. :)

{``How many catholic spaniards/brazilians blew themselves up in british subways? ZERO....``}

You have a point there - but only one brazilian was riddled with bullets by bobbies because he appeared too ``mid-Eastern.``

#181 by Salim_Chauhan on August 14, 2006 11:24am PT


4. The bomb-exploding terrorists in Northern Ireland and Britain were called IRA and not Catholic Fascists.


Because it was an Irish cause, not a catholic clause..How many catholic spaniards/brazilians blew themselves up in british subways? ZERO....

#187 by Salim_Chauhan

[If you are looking for an ``apples-to-apples`` comparison of the two, you will notice that while the ``Islamic`` terrorists use bombings, suicides, and impersonal mass killing of unknown victims, the ``Hindutva`` terrorists are more into state-sponsored, safe (for themselves) terrorism that affords them the opportunity to commit rapes, especially of young girls, and then to erase the evidence by first mutilating and then burning the corpses. Death is death, murder is murder, but the Hindutva terrorists seem to enjoy their violence much more than the hoori-seeking murderous fools. ]

Ok, let`s assume what you are saying is true. Now that that`s out of the way, could you give a list of the crimes committed by these ``hindutva`` goons? And since you are a man who deals in facts - could you also cite the sources of your information?

Here`s a prediction - you will find it VERY difficult to produce a credible list.

I know. I have tried.

In any case - go ahead. Produce the list. I`m watching.

SP = Sang Parivar.
Netty, I just lump them together - their views are so similar that they all look the same.

Re: # 183

salim:

``you do accept the violent right-wing Hindutva rapists/murderers/arsonists of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS as Hindu Fascists? ``

yeah these org. are the close hindus are as fascists.

what is SP?

bjp is a political party and hence could/would change colors depending on the direction wind is blowing.

#185 Krishna {``If you consider yourself to be a righteous person, why don`t you list side-by-side the deeds of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS and the Islamic terrorists in India - so we can all compare and see. ``}

Krishna,
If you are looking for an ``apples-to-apples`` comparison of the two, you will notice that while the ``Islamic`` terrorists use bombings, suicides, and impersonal mass killing of unknown victims, the ``Hindutva`` terrorists are more into state-sponsored, safe (for themselves) terrorism that affords them the opportunity to commit rapes, especially of young girls, and then to erase the evidence by first mutilating and then burning the corpses. Death is death, murder is murder, but the Hindutva terrorists seem to enjoy their violence much more than the hoori-seeking murderous fools.

#177 by jang

[he is like hizbollah..he has faced the worst possible from quiver of zee-boom and yet demonstrated diignity.]

Since when is bending over and taking it considered dignified? Perhaps only in the Muslim mind.

All of south Beirut in rubbles - a whole lot of Southern Lebanon as well. Lebanon`s infrastructure is almost all gone. Nasrallah hiding in a hole somewhere. Begging for aid from the world - dignity? Yeah. Right.

P.S. The war is not over yet. Not by a LONG shot. Wait and watch. :)

#183 by Salim_Chauhan

[Netty,
Good point. :) - I will correct my terminology.
So, by omission, you do accept the violent right-wing Hindutva rapists/murderers/arsonists of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS as Hindu Fascists? ]

Except for the fact that:

1) They do not have global jehadi agenda,
2) They are not terrorists internationally,
3) They have not been convicted of suicide bombings, or blowing up anything,
4) All Islamists are good at accusing them of everything under the sun, but find it difficult to give a comparative list of their misdeeds vs the misdeeds of the Islamists.

If you consider yourself to be a righteous person, why don`t you list side-by-side the deeds of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS and the Islamic terrorists in India - so we can all compare and see.

You won`t. Because you cannot. It is much more comforting and self-reassuring to lie.

Root cause of Muslim extremism is wahabism aided by petrodollars and uncle sam`s desire to perpetuate their control over oil fields by supporting tried and tested trusted allies.

Public opinion in the US has been condiitioned to ignore Palestinian/Muslim problems and remain focused on threats (real or artifical) posed by a small group of muslim extremists. How many muslim organizations have stood up to condemn Osama and other religious extremists? None.

Basic principle of wrong being wrong is universal......

#182, Netizen {``you can call them ``tamil nationalist`` too if you want but not hindu fascists. ``}

Netty,
Good point. :) - I will correct my terminology.
So, by omission, you do accept the violent right-wing Hindutva rapists/murderers/arsonists of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS as Hindu Fascists?

Re: # 181

salim:

``The terrorist LTTE in SL are called ``Tigers`` and not Hindu Fascists. ``

because they are not!

you can call them ``tamil nationalist`` too if you want but not hindu fascists.

the reasons are:

1. there are christians/atheists/agnoists too among them who blow themselves for the tamil cause.
2. LTTE`s indian sympathisers are the people like dmk who are basically a anti-brahmin, anti-north, anti-hindi, anti-hindu ``rationalist`` party
3. prabhakaran doesn`t ask help for the ``hindu cause`` against the sinhalese
4. they are banned in india
5. LTTE cadres don`t shout ``bhagwan shankar ki jai`` when blowing themselves.

No wonder the world doesn`t take El Presidente too seriously.

He is sounding more and more like our own Tahmed2 in his hypocrisy and double-speak. The man who called the ``war on terrorism`` a Crusade has now coined the phrase ``Islamic Fascism.`` Now, this can be quite confusing:

1. Christian militants with huge crosses on their chests are called Crusaders and not Christian Fascists.
2. In Lebanon, the heavily armed, murderous Maronite militias were called Phalangists and not Christian Fascists.
3. In the Occupied West Bank and Gaza, the heavily armed, murderous, gun-toting Israelis were called ``settlers,`` and not Jewish Fascists.
4. The bomb-exploding terrorists in Northern Ireland and Britain were called IRA and not Catholic Fascists.
5. The Armageddon hopeful, rampant cheerleaders of Israeli bombings on Lebanese civilians are called ``Evangelists,`` and not Christian Fundamental Fascists.
6. The violent right-wing Hindutva rapists/murderers/arsonists of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS are called participants in the world`s largest democracy and not Hindu Fascists.
7. The terrorist LTTE in SL are called ``Tigers`` and not Hindu Fascists.
8. The cross burning Ku Klux Klan in the US are called ``hate-mongers,`` and not white Christian Fascists.
9. The land grabbing, native people killing, murderous Spaniards and Portuguese were called ``Explorers,`` and not Christian Fascists.
10. The land-grabbing, exclusivist, violent, well-financed and well-armed founders of Israel were called Zionists, and not Jewish Fascists.

the children, the children!! think of the muslim children!!

Bottle and baby used as bomb

A HUSBAND and wife arrested in the British terror raids allegedly planned to take their six-month-old baby on a mid-air suicide mission.

Scotland Yard police are quizzing Abdula Ahmed Ali, 25, and his 23-year-old wife Cossor over suspicions they were to use their baby`s bottle to hide a liquid bomb.

The theory is one of the reasons security chiefs are now insisting mothers taste babies` milk at check-in desks before allowing them to take bottles aboard flights.