Ahmer Muzammil August 12, 2006
#163 Posted by echoboom on August 14, 2006 7:06:50 am
161:
If it looks like a fcuk, talks like a fcuk, then believe me it is a fcuk.
about Islam & muslims your the attitude & behaviour of you guys is:
You say:
``I really quite relish the idea of abusing & ridiculing my family* my father & mother**
and self-loath my faith, respected & recognised all the word***.
replace aestrisks with:
* read: the prophet & his family
** read: those who nursed & nourished me--my poor ``unwashed`` countrymen
***read: am I a so demented to hate myself so much as well as those hindus who are true to their faith?
P.S: If you are sensitive & caring about the unmentionables happening to your loved ones then please get it in your butt-head & also those who ``tolerate`` & egg you on in their hatred for the Prophet(pbuh) & his family (pbut hem) mullah, maulvi` and maulana , and arab hatred (good very honourable words--use them often) then cup your ears wide open & listen good:
There are hundreds upon thousands upon millions of people who love the prophet(pbuh) & his family( pbu-them) much more their own family & some of them,just like yourself, are so obssessed ``demented`` in their love( like you in your hate) that they might resort to the unmentionables.
This is clear message for all FCUKS or wannabe FCUKS.
Every effort here will be made to repay you in kind & it will be relentless. If you do not want to receive it , do not deliver either. Stop behaing e as a mirzai or a lapsed mirzai & you will not be called a mirzai..
but if you look like fcuk, talk like a fcuk, and walk like a fcuk--then you ARE a FCUK!
If it looks like a fcuk, talks like a fcuk, then believe me it is a fcuk.
about Islam & muslims your the attitude & behaviour of you guys is:
You say:
``I really quite relish the idea of abusing & ridiculing my family* my father & mother**
and self-loath my faith, respected & recognised all the word***.
replace aestrisks with:
* read: the prophet & his family
** read: those who nursed & nourished me--my poor ``unwashed`` countrymen
***read: am I a so demented to hate myself so much as well as those hindus who are true to their faith?
P.S: If you are sensitive & caring about the unmentionables happening to your loved ones then please get it in your butt-head & also those who ``tolerate`` & egg you on in their hatred for the Prophet(pbuh) & his family (pbut hem) mullah, maulvi` and maulana , and arab hatred (good very honourable words--use them often) then cup your ears wide open & listen good:
There are hundreds upon thousands upon millions of people who love the prophet(pbuh) & his family( pbu-them) much more their own family & some of them,just like yourself, are so obssessed ``demented`` in their love( like you in your hate) that they might resort to the unmentionables.
This is clear message for all FCUKS or wannabe FCUKS.
Every effort here will be made to repay you in kind & it will be relentless. If you do not want to receive it , do not deliver either. Stop behaing e as a mirzai or a lapsed mirzai & you will not be called a mirzai..
but if you look like fcuk, talk like a fcuk, and walk like a fcuk--then you ARE a FCUK!
#162 Posted by Folio on August 14, 2006 6:42:40 am
Mistakes do happen in registration...can not change them now.
I dont think this photo is bad. It`s the midset of zanaab Zeemax that is dirty. For confirmation please read his posts for the last two days on Godot and this page. He wrote some unspeakable abuses on these pages... women who browse these pages.. please avoid the posts of Zeemax. He`s a foul mouth (mind implied).
He took break. Is he going to see a psychiatrist? Anybody on this board, please help him..
I dont think this photo is bad. It`s the midset of zanaab Zeemax that is dirty. For confirmation please read his posts for the last two days on Godot and this page. He wrote some unspeakable abuses on these pages... women who browse these pages.. please avoid the posts of Zeemax. He`s a foul mouth (mind implied).
He took break. Is he going to see a psychiatrist? Anybody on this board, please help him..
#161 Posted by hamidm2 on August 14, 2006 6:36:40 am
Re: # 150
zeemax and echoboom,
...... please stop calling me and tahmed ahmedis before the ahmedis sue you for slander !
........... look i have told you many times that i am a sunni/hanafi and that most of my friends, family and enemies are muslims ........... i do have some christian, jewish and hindoo friends (i know that is rather sad) , but by and large, i always end up in the company of incorrigible muslims ......... mrs hamidm is a practicing mulsim - the kind that fasts at least half of ramzan - and the girls have finished reading the koran - they are done with it and hopefully won`t return to it until they are seventy four, inshallah.......... i finished the koran twice by the time i was twelve and can recite half a dozen suras from memory, al-hamdolillah !
........... as for tahmed, god knows what he is - it appears that he is trying to invent some kind of a new islam based on a new and wonderous interpretation of the koran and a total disregard for the prophet`s dietary habits and other personal idiosycracies ........ i am waiting for his final product with bated breath .......... there is a rumor that his version includes permission to drink wine, eat bacon, shake hands with women and keep a pet dog - it will be interesting ............
zeemax and echoboom,
...... please stop calling me and tahmed ahmedis before the ahmedis sue you for slander !
........... look i have told you many times that i am a sunni/hanafi and that most of my friends, family and enemies are muslims ........... i do have some christian, jewish and hindoo friends (i know that is rather sad) , but by and large, i always end up in the company of incorrigible muslims ......... mrs hamidm is a practicing mulsim - the kind that fasts at least half of ramzan - and the girls have finished reading the koran - they are done with it and hopefully won`t return to it until they are seventy four, inshallah.......... i finished the koran twice by the time i was twelve and can recite half a dozen suras from memory, al-hamdolillah !
........... as for tahmed, god knows what he is - it appears that he is trying to invent some kind of a new islam based on a new and wonderous interpretation of the koran and a total disregard for the prophet`s dietary habits and other personal idiosycracies ........ i am waiting for his final product with bated breath .......... there is a rumor that his version includes permission to drink wine, eat bacon, shake hands with women and keep a pet dog - it will be interesting ............
#160 Posted by jay1 on August 14, 2006 6:35:01 am
Hi!!
Dear Ahmer Muzammil ,
1 - Dont start for heaven`s sake lambasting the neo cons...it is a somewhat ``tattered islamic argument``..that neocons are out to get them.
[inwittingly that line of thought buttresses what samuel huntington was saying in clash of civilizations..]
2 - Dont bring up that ``awfully boring`` figure of 1.5 billion muslims...is this a number game of some sort?
We always come up with this number game in all muslim dialog on any worthwhile topic.
``70,000 dead in kashmir / so many thousand dead in iraq and so on..``.
The moment you start the number game, one is compelled to ask..and WHO killed those 70,000 kashmiris? just count how many die yearly by terrorosit bullets and you will know the ROOT truth ..IF YOU WANT TO FACE IT THAT IS!
Even in IRAQ, the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHO IS KILLING WHOM...in sectarian violence.
3 - Regarding sharia forbidding this and that ..TO HELL WITH IT is what muslims themselves seem to be saying.
They are killing innocents with impunity all over the world..
- Do you condone the BALI BOMBING as a worth while action for an islamic cause?
how many innocent foreigners were killed there?
- Do you condone the train bombings in MADRID, LONDON, INDIA?
- Dont you believe PAKISTAN is providing sanctuary to half the worlds islamic hoodlums?
4 - Regarding the root cause, WHAT ROOT-CAUSE did muslims in peaceful and progressive SINGAPORE have?
STILL THEY PLANNED AND BROKE ALL RULES OF CIVILIZED BEHAVIOUR IN THAT LAND AND PLANNED TO BOMB THEIR UNDERGROUND METRO IN 2000 2001!!
MR DORIGHT...Before screaming yourself from your high horse, UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORLD IS NOW TIRED OF ``ISLAMI THIS`` AND ISLAMIC THAT`` AND MOSTLY ABOUT SILLY ROOT CAUSES.
WHAT HAS BEEN MUSLIM CONTRIBUTION TO WORLD PROGRESS IN LAST 100 YEARS?
IT IS ALL ABOUT SESTRUCTION AND MORE DESTRUCTION AND MORE GRUMBLING and MUTUAL BACK-SCRATCHING along the lines ...try to kill us ..we will take you for a ride...we are 1.5 billion strong..
MY FOOT!
THE ISRAELIS BOMB THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU AND THE OIC TAKES 1 MONTH TO PASS A TIMID RESOLUTION!!
HAHA.
Jayen
Dear Ahmer Muzammil ,
1 - Dont start for heaven`s sake lambasting the neo cons...it is a somewhat ``tattered islamic argument``..that neocons are out to get them.
[inwittingly that line of thought buttresses what samuel huntington was saying in clash of civilizations..]
2 - Dont bring up that ``awfully boring`` figure of 1.5 billion muslims...is this a number game of some sort?
We always come up with this number game in all muslim dialog on any worthwhile topic.
``70,000 dead in kashmir / so many thousand dead in iraq and so on..``.
The moment you start the number game, one is compelled to ask..and WHO killed those 70,000 kashmiris? just count how many die yearly by terrorosit bullets and you will know the ROOT truth ..IF YOU WANT TO FACE IT THAT IS!
Even in IRAQ, the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHO IS KILLING WHOM...in sectarian violence.
3 - Regarding sharia forbidding this and that ..TO HELL WITH IT is what muslims themselves seem to be saying.
They are killing innocents with impunity all over the world..
- Do you condone the BALI BOMBING as a worth while action for an islamic cause?
how many innocent foreigners were killed there?
- Do you condone the train bombings in MADRID, LONDON, INDIA?
- Dont you believe PAKISTAN is providing sanctuary to half the worlds islamic hoodlums?
4 - Regarding the root cause, WHAT ROOT-CAUSE did muslims in peaceful and progressive SINGAPORE have?
STILL THEY PLANNED AND BROKE ALL RULES OF CIVILIZED BEHAVIOUR IN THAT LAND AND PLANNED TO BOMB THEIR UNDERGROUND METRO IN 2000 2001!!
MR DORIGHT...Before screaming yourself from your high horse, UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORLD IS NOW TIRED OF ``ISLAMI THIS`` AND ISLAMIC THAT`` AND MOSTLY ABOUT SILLY ROOT CAUSES.
WHAT HAS BEEN MUSLIM CONTRIBUTION TO WORLD PROGRESS IN LAST 100 YEARS?
IT IS ALL ABOUT SESTRUCTION AND MORE DESTRUCTION AND MORE GRUMBLING and MUTUAL BACK-SCRATCHING along the lines ...try to kill us ..we will take you for a ride...we are 1.5 billion strong..
MY FOOT!
THE ISRAELIS BOMB THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU AND THE OIC TAKES 1 MONTH TO PASS A TIMID RESOLUTION!!
HAHA.
Jayen
#159 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2006 6:34:21 am
Bye you rascals for now.
If & when such blasphemies are uttered then it would be open season & then CHOWK must sit back & enjoy the show.
Bye.
If & when such blasphemies are uttered then it would be open season & then CHOWK must sit back & enjoy the show.
Bye.
#158 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2006 6:32:24 am
In fact looks like hamidm`s precious ******** to me. Great company. Congrats Hamidm.
#157 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2006 6:21:36 am
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#156 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2006 6:18:20 am
#152 by tahmed32
No. Allah will decide in due course. But it wil be decided much before that.
No. Allah will decide in due course. But it wil be decided much before that.
#155 Posted by tahmed32 on August 14, 2006 6:05:21 am
PewResearch #149 Patience with support to terrorism among muslims is indeed running out. after 9/11 there were plenty of questions in US media about ``Why do they hate us?``. After the current conspiracy to kill hundreds of passengers, no one is wasting time with this. Now the matter is for the police of the world to round up criminal and to keep an eye open for potential crimes. So, I am not surprised that Akbar Ahmed, if he was merely repeating the mantra about ``Islam means peace``, was simply contradicted on TV, rather than being heard as a potential bridge as he was 6 years ago.
As for your question regarding this is a ``phase`` that islam is going through: As they say, the only thing certain is change. And the current status is particularly unsustainable for too long - political, social, economic, technological, demographic changes sweeping the world today are going to shape the world 50 years from now, not the half-brained priesthood of the muslim world. I have been, and remain, of the view that ``mullah islam`` is, in the bigger scheme of things, going to be no more than a footnote in world history. What do you think?
As for your question regarding this is a ``phase`` that islam is going through: As they say, the only thing certain is change. And the current status is particularly unsustainable for too long - political, social, economic, technological, demographic changes sweeping the world today are going to shape the world 50 years from now, not the half-brained priesthood of the muslim world. I have been, and remain, of the view that ``mullah islam`` is, in the bigger scheme of things, going to be no more than a footnote in world history. What do you think?
#154 Posted by aslam644 on August 14, 2006 5:49:08 am
i knew it all along it was that dyslexic moron.
Bush `helped Israeli attack on Lebanon`
Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
Monday August 14, 2006
The Guardian
The US government was closely involved in planning the Israeli campaign in Lebanon, even before Hizbullah seized two Israeli soldiers in a cross border raids in July. American and Israeli officials met in the spring, discussing plans on how to tackle Hizbullah, according to a report published yesterday.
The veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh writes in the current issue of the New Yorker magazine that Israeli government officials travelled to the US in May to share plans for attacking Hizbullah.
Quoting a US government consultant, Hersh said: ``Earlier this summer ... several Israeli officials visited Washington, separately, `to get a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear`.``
The Israeli action, current and former government officials told Hersh, chimed with the Bush administration`s desire to reduce the threat of possible Hizbullah retaliation against Israel should the US launch a military strike against Iran.
``A successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign ... could ease Israel`s security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran`s nuclear installations,`` sources told Hersh.
Yesterday Mr Hersh told CNN: ``July was a pretext for a major offensive that had been in the works for a long time. Israel`s attack was going to be a model for the attack they really want to do. They really want to go after Iran.``
An unnamed Pentagon consultant told Hersh: ``It was our intention to have Hizbullah diminished and now we have someone else doing it.``
Officials from the state department and the Pentagon denied the report. A spokesman for the National Security Council told Hersh that ``The Israeli government gave no official in Washington any reason to believe that Israel was planning to attack.``
Hersh has a track record in breaking major stories. He was the first to write about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and has written extensively about the build-up to the war in Iraq. He made his name when he uncovered the massacre at My Lai during the Vietnam war. Most recently he has written about US plans for Iran, alleging that US special forces had already been active inside the country.
Bush `helped Israeli attack on Lebanon`
Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
Monday August 14, 2006
The Guardian
The US government was closely involved in planning the Israeli campaign in Lebanon, even before Hizbullah seized two Israeli soldiers in a cross border raids in July. American and Israeli officials met in the spring, discussing plans on how to tackle Hizbullah, according to a report published yesterday.
The veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh writes in the current issue of the New Yorker magazine that Israeli government officials travelled to the US in May to share plans for attacking Hizbullah.
Quoting a US government consultant, Hersh said: ``Earlier this summer ... several Israeli officials visited Washington, separately, `to get a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear`.``
The Israeli action, current and former government officials told Hersh, chimed with the Bush administration`s desire to reduce the threat of possible Hizbullah retaliation against Israel should the US launch a military strike against Iran.
``A successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign ... could ease Israel`s security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran`s nuclear installations,`` sources told Hersh.
Yesterday Mr Hersh told CNN: ``July was a pretext for a major offensive that had been in the works for a long time. Israel`s attack was going to be a model for the attack they really want to do. They really want to go after Iran.``
An unnamed Pentagon consultant told Hersh: ``It was our intention to have Hizbullah diminished and now we have someone else doing it.``
Officials from the state department and the Pentagon denied the report. A spokesman for the National Security Council told Hersh that ``The Israeli government gave no official in Washington any reason to believe that Israel was planning to attack.``
Hersh has a track record in breaking major stories. He was the first to write about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and has written extensively about the build-up to the war in Iraq. He made his name when he uncovered the massacre at My Lai during the Vietnam war. Most recently he has written about US plans for Iran, alleging that US special forces had already been active inside the country.
#153 Posted by Folio on August 14, 2006 5:42:46 am
Hamid,
I saluted you in my heart. This man insults your daughters and you give him a reply that should be written in golden letters....especially the laste sentence.
>>>>>>>>........ and then you go on to say that, `` I carry a very prestigious passport. I have had more women than you or hamidm have had breakfasts in their entire lifetimes`` ...... i, for one am very impressed ....... but i thought you werea a proud paki - what`s this about a `prestigious` passport ? ......... as far as the women are concerned, we are proud of you and now, like the cat, you can go for hajj ! ......... like all good muslims, you are a very good hypocrite !<<<<<<<<<<
Many young guys follow this route i.e indulge in vices but speak about virtues. This hypocricy is a norm in south asia, it permeates all religions, probably except Parsis in India.
Though western world is a free society, they still give respect to woman.... I cant but give you my peck.. Mnch...
I saluted you in my heart. This man insults your daughters and you give him a reply that should be written in golden letters....especially the laste sentence.
>>>>>>>>........ and then you go on to say that, `` I carry a very prestigious passport. I have had more women than you or hamidm have had breakfasts in their entire lifetimes`` ...... i, for one am very impressed ....... but i thought you werea a proud paki - what`s this about a `prestigious` passport ? ......... as far as the women are concerned, we are proud of you and now, like the cat, you can go for hajj ! ......... like all good muslims, you are a very good hypocrite !<<<<<<<<<<
Many young guys follow this route i.e indulge in vices but speak about virtues. This hypocricy is a norm in south asia, it permeates all religions, probably except Parsis in India.
Though western world is a free society, they still give respect to woman.... I cant but give you my peck.. Mnch...
#152 Posted by tahmed32 on August 14, 2006 5:39:39 am
#150 Allah will decide who is the puny rat and who is not.
#151 Posted by echoboom on August 14, 2006 5:12:02 am
Even today Ahmadis play significant role in the Israeli administration. By taking advantage of their Palestinian origin, their muslim-sounding names and by the ignorance of people about the true nature of Ahmadiyya Movement, they play the role of fifth columnists among the Palestinian muslims, protecting the interest of their Masters. For instance:
Musa Sarwar: The Incharge of Passport and ID Card section in the Ministry of Interior.
Abdullah Asad: `Raees Bait-ul-Tasaareekh` Incharge of the Dept which gives permission to build houses in Israel. No wonder Arab homes are every now and then being demolished. This man takes advantage of his Arab identity to inflitrate and perform his clandestine activities against arabs.
Ibrahim Asad: During 60s to 80s he was the Mossad agent in Germany but was deported when he was exposed. Now he is `Mufattish Fanni` Inspector of Schools for Arabs. In this capacity he controls the kind of education and research is being done in Arab Colleges and Universities inside Israel. He never allows such research which can elevate the Palestinians inside Israel.
Jama`at Ahmadiyya has special links with the Zionist state. Ahmadiyya Headquarter play host to the Jewish Dignitaries from Israel. (Khatme Nabuwat Magazine Vol. 9. No. 5, P.8)
During the crackdown on Arabs inside Israel, as soon as the ID cards show the place of residence is Kababeer, soldiers allow the bearer of the card to go free, saying: Let him go. This is our man.
I (Dr. A Odeh) have been a born Ahmadi, an unfortunate event over which I had no control. I had been very active in various official capacities in the community - President Khuddamul Ahmadiyya, Member Majlis-e-Shoora, President of Stockholm Jamaat and finally President of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of Sweden, a post which I held till I denounced Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani and Ahmadiyyat in 1989. Fa AlHamdolillah `ala zaalik. During my recent visit to Kababeer, I discovered some very startling things which I would like to share with my readers.
#150 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2006 5:11:23 am
#148 by tahmed32
...Sure you can tar all of us 1 billion muslims ...
You puny rat. You`re not a Muslim. You`re a qadiani. So cease and desist from counting yourself amongst `us`. Count yourself amongst `them`.
...Sure you can tar all of us 1 billion muslims ...
You puny rat. You`re not a Muslim. You`re a qadiani. So cease and desist from counting yourself amongst `us`. Count yourself amongst `them`.
#149 Posted by PewResearch on August 14, 2006 5:03:36 am
Re: # 128 Tahmed
Appreciate your willingness to explain. Your rationale is persuasive and I agree with most of it, but I am not sure that is ALL that will do it. There is a priestly class in most religions, complete with their set of a few bad apples. So, `mullah Islam` is not unique in that regard, but it IS unique (at least these days) in producing a class of violent terrorists. Is Islam going through a phase (e.g. jehadi terrorism, suicide bombers, something that Islam prohibits) that will `cure` itself over time or is the problem deeper?
I heard an interview with Akbar Ahmed of American University on TV - he is a student of Islam, and he is trying to gulf the gap between his beliefs and the growing Western perceptions of Islam. In the same program, his counterpoint was presented by a man named Robert Spencer of `Jehad Watch` of whom I know little. (In other words, I don`t know what axes he has to grind), but his specific allegations against Islam were quite pointed and did not appear to be hateful, while Akbar Ahmed was not able to respond point-by-point, but resorted to generalities. This is troubling because although I would like to see Akbar Ahmed succeed in his mission, he will have a hard time doing so if he cannot persuade `thinking` non-Muslims people and duck the issues that seem to riling non-Muslims about Islam.
Appreciate your willingness to explain. Your rationale is persuasive and I agree with most of it, but I am not sure that is ALL that will do it. There is a priestly class in most religions, complete with their set of a few bad apples. So, `mullah Islam` is not unique in that regard, but it IS unique (at least these days) in producing a class of violent terrorists. Is Islam going through a phase (e.g. jehadi terrorism, suicide bombers, something that Islam prohibits) that will `cure` itself over time or is the problem deeper?
I heard an interview with Akbar Ahmed of American University on TV - he is a student of Islam, and he is trying to gulf the gap between his beliefs and the growing Western perceptions of Islam. In the same program, his counterpoint was presented by a man named Robert Spencer of `Jehad Watch` of whom I know little. (In other words, I don`t know what axes he has to grind), but his specific allegations against Islam were quite pointed and did not appear to be hateful, while Akbar Ahmed was not able to respond point-by-point, but resorted to generalities. This is troubling because although I would like to see Akbar Ahmed succeed in his mission, he will have a hard time doing so if he cannot persuade `thinking` non-Muslims people and duck the issues that seem to riling non-Muslims about Islam.
#148 Posted by tahmed32 on August 14, 2006 5:02:20 am
burpinder #147 to the missing-in-action writer: you expect everyone to believe that, despite the murderous behaviour of an admittedly fringe lunatic bunch of you, all Muslims should not be tarred with the same brush.
Sure you can tar all of us 1 billion muslims with the same brush applied to the murderers. You and who else? Even Pat Robertson limits his nonsense to Islam and does not extend to all muslims - and even then is considered a nutcase by the vast majority of americans.
you continue:
But you on the other hand have no problem making crass generalisations and forming clusters (``Zionists``, ``Neo-cons`` and what have you) that suit your purpose admirably.
That is an excellent point. Agreed 100%.
Sure you can tar all of us 1 billion muslims with the same brush applied to the murderers. You and who else? Even Pat Robertson limits his nonsense to Islam and does not extend to all muslims - and even then is considered a nutcase by the vast majority of americans.
you continue:
But you on the other hand have no problem making crass generalisations and forming clusters (``Zionists``, ``Neo-cons`` and what have you) that suit your purpose admirably.
That is an excellent point. Agreed 100%.
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