'Sustainable peace through more killing'?

Re #1

[because Palestinians and Arabs are kind of people who fight their wars using sligshots if they have to.]

They have no other choice. Because Islamic technology produces only slingshots.


[If their standoff aginst the worlds most fearsome war machine in the history of mankind for the past 55 years is not a proof enough then what is?]

If they quit hiding behind their women and children and fight like real men, they won`t last one day.

Kaurasach #76 on another board {``Salim,
Please suggest a solution. This Israeli `aggression` is culmination of festering hostilities. What do you want Israel to do? ``}

Kaura Bhai,
I am glad that you asked this important and extremely pertinent question. What should Israel do? Or what is the solution?

In my opinion, the Jews, refugees of the Holocaust after WWII and poor victims of dreadful European Christian persecution even before WWII, should have been welcomed as surviving ``cousins`` by the Arabs in Palestine. The Ottomans did exactly that when Sephardic Jews were persecuted and expelled from Catholic Spain during the Inquisition of the 16th century. The fact that Palestine was occupied by British Christians as part of the League of Nations ``mandate,`` following WWI and the natural tendency of the Arab Christians to be anti-Jewish did not help matters for the peaceful integration of Jews into Palestine. The role and influence of Arab Christians in turning Muslim Arabs against the Ottomans and for the British and French has been well established. Well, the open-armed welcome did not take place.

We are where we are. Israel has fought at least six major and countless minor ``wars`` with the Arabs (Egyptians, Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, PLO, Hamas, and Shiite Hezbollah). War is not going to bring peace to the Israelis. What Israel needs to do is to go all out and win the goodwill and friendship of the Palestinians. They can do that by restoring the pre-1967 lands to an unarmed Palestinian state. A better solution would have been to establish a secular democratic single nation for both Jews and Arabs - but that is asking too much of the Israelis. Once accepted in the neighborhood, Israel can play the more positive role as educator, modernizer, and moderator in the region. The Arabs` sense of inferiority, defeat, and dishonor needs to be eliminated - else there will be prolonged warfare until the Arabs succeed or exist no more.

When it comes to terrorism, many Indians and a few Pakis are suffering from toilet paper syndrome

There needs to be a universal definition and measurement of ``terrorism.`` Simply labeling those we dislike or those we want obliterated, as ``terrorists,`` and those we like or those we want installed as occupiers, as fighters for ``democracy and freedom,`` is not going to fool most people. For example:

Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorists but the Minutemen, the French resistance, the Irgun, the Haganah, the invaders at the Bay of Pigs, and the Contras were fighting for ``freedom.``

Germany`s invasion and occupation of European countries like France, Poland, and Netherlands was aggression, but the US invasion and occupation of Eye Rack is bringing ``freedom`` to the natives.

Turkey`s invasion of Cyprus, to save the lives of the Turkish minority, was aggression and continued occupation, but the Israeli invasion and occupation of West Bank, Golan Heights, and Sheba Farms is for ``self defense`` and for saving the lives of Jewish people.

US usurpation of Native American lands and resulting genocide of Indian population, in the millions, was called ``Manifest Destiny,`` but German pillage of Jewish assets and liquidation of Jewish population is called ``Holocaust.``

There are numerous other examples of this hypocrisy. I am saddened to see the one-sided sense of justice, anti-terrorism, and compassion demonstrated by most of my Indian friends and at least two Pakis afflicted with toilet paper syndrome. :)

#4 wiseguyin {``I guess even you have to show your loyalties occasionally ....``}

Aqalmand gayee under

Must I condone brutal murders of children to gain your approval of my sincerity?

Well ifti


i also think

The only purpose of the war is to present HEZBOLLAH as a hero infront of lebananions and develop SHIA dominant society.

Is it not a strange war in which only civilans are being killed?

> Americans stood tall and proud and it was an honor to travel on an American passport.

It still does ..... they are welcomed by humans all the time. A certain cult practitioners are
the ones who are dwarfs everywhere .... humans view them with suspicion irrespective of the
passport they carry.

> I believe this is another Western ploy to drive a wedge of hatred between the two sects of
> Islam.
This is an incredibly deep analysis by a mo-fo (thats short for mohammed-follower. pls dont
get any ideas :). I am amazed by your deep understanding of the human race. I hope you
did not hurt yourself while thinking this deep.

> I would recommend that if there has to be a buffer zone that it should be on Israel’s land
> and not in Lebanon, because once a country next to Israel portions out its land, even for
> a noble cause, that becomes Israel’s property.

Heck ! and I thought this applies to katwas only .....

Re: # 3

> It seems that all the trouble flares out of the Zionist appetite for expansion.

I guess even you have to show your loyalties occasionally ....

Iftikhar Sahib,
Good article and I like the point about having the peacekeeping force on the Israeli side of the ``border.`` It seems that all the trouble flares out of the Zionist appetite for expansion. Thanks.

Seems you are keen on Eisenhower. You do know he only promoted peace after becoming a well-known war hero and that`s the reason he became a US President? Maybe both Israel and Hezbollah need to get war out of their systems before promoting peace too.

What are you personally doing to promote peace where you live? It seems you would give all the land back to Palestinians even tho it was not all theirs before 1948 - and you also don`t present any peaceful solution for the Israeli`s who have lived there since beginning of time too. Even if there is a buffer zone this won`t maintain peace if each side continues to say I want this piece of land and you only get that. Even with treaties signed before wars have broken out - so a buffer zone is no solution. Can people on either side take the land with them when they pass on? So it is clear what is wanted most is the ``piece`` and NOT ``peace`` or this woulda ended long time ago..................but sometimes divine prophecies just need to get fulfilled!

Anyway, if you are seriously interested in peace and love Eisenhower so much then you should have no problem joining his “peace legacy” – People to People International…… and working to set up and maintain chapters through out Pakistan.....or joining or helping set up wherever in USA or world you live. So far there are only two chapters in Pakistan set up in just the past few years – in Gurjanwala and now outside Islamabad. Mary Eisenhower, yes Ike’s granddaughter and now President of PtPI and Herman Brooks Managing Director of International Operations would LOVE to speak with you…www.ptpi.org

I am actually waiting for the deployment of the peacekeeping force in Lebanon or Israel with quite an anticipation. If this peacekeeping mission is comprised entirely of the Nato army, I am afraid that the peace will not prevail. Nato force belongs to that nexus of evil which is the original cause of the mayhem in this region in the first place. And if these people are thinking on the lines of Serbia type solution, then Iam afraid that they are sadly mistaken because Palestinians and Arabs are kind of people who fight their wars using sligshots if they have to. If their standoff aginst the worlds most fearsome war machine in the history of mankind for the past 55 years is not a proof enough then what is?

On the other hand if the peacekeeping force is comprised of armies from Muslim countries and especially from Pakistan then that will turn out to be exactly as Holy Prophet (pbuh) prophecized in lieue of the final battle between forcess of Anti-Christ and Muslims headed by Jesus Christ (pbuh).