From Kerala to Islamabad (A Journey of Nine Decades)
Muhammad Tariq July 31, 2006
#26 Posted by muqaddam on August 2, 2006 10:25:40 am
We have a very strong esprit-de-corps among the Ordnance personnel in India. Every Corps day we have several old veterans from different lands meeting in a spirit of bonhomie. If the writer`s father were to decide that moving to Pakistan was a mistake(like most malabaris feel) and were to return to the God`s Own Country, he would yet find many of his comrades-in-arms welcoming him with open arms to the brotherhood.
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#25 Posted by indikad75 on August 2, 2006 7:04:14 am
.. and your point is? The Moplah rebellion has been beaten to death by stupid communalists like you. So if you dont want to quote a Stephen Dale, you go on to bring in a wiki link which starts of with the disclaimer (The neutrality of this article is disputed).. pretty good. For rabid thinkers like you, a good Muslim is not only one neutered at birth but better, killed at birth. But then no IM needs a certificate from characters like you. IMs will stay in India and contribute to its growth and development, alongside every single Indian, irrespective of religion, who dreams of a strong and united India. Till then you can continue hollering from the top of your roof about how bad a living Muslim is for India.
#24 Posted by harimau on August 2, 2006 6:32:15 am
Ref puyu #16
[A flm is being made in Malayalam on the plight of the Pakistani passport holders living under the threat of extradition.]
``The Anti-Hindu`` will give the film its highest rating. It will be sent to some foreign film festivals where it will be given an award and Pakistan will show it on PTV.
These idiots ought to be jailed for overstaying their visas, their families which sheltered them ought to be jailed as accomplices, and all should be deported to Pakistan. Since they voluntarily got Pakistani passports, they can bloody well stay and die in Pakistan.
[A flm is being made in Malayalam on the plight of the Pakistani passport holders living under the threat of extradition.]
``The Anti-Hindu`` will give the film its highest rating. It will be sent to some foreign film festivals where it will be given an award and Pakistan will show it on PTV.
These idiots ought to be jailed for overstaying their visas, their families which sheltered them ought to be jailed as accomplices, and all should be deported to Pakistan. Since they voluntarily got Pakistani passports, they can bloody well stay and die in Pakistan.
#23 Posted by harimau on August 2, 2006 6:26:57 am
Ref indikad75 #21
[....it is sad that some chowkies still manage to get in their penchant for Muslim bashing on a board talking about something as uncomplicated as the idyllic backwaters of God`s own country]
What is sad is that people like you have literally no idea of the history of ``God`s Own Country``.
So, here it is from Wikipedia:
[The Moplah rebellion was a British-Muslim and Hindu-Muslim conflict in Kerala that occurred in 1921. The reasons for the conflict are rooted in religious revivalism among the Muslim Moplahs (also known as Mappilas), disaffection with British governance, and resentment at the land owning Hindu Nair community. Events following the Khilafat movement helped organize Moplahs and gave impetus to their actions.
According to one view, the Moplah Rebellion was a result of dissatisfaction of Muslim Moplahs with the land-owning Hindu Nair community and the British administration that inevitably supported the latter. The rebellion had an Islamic fanatic flair to it, and had ramblings of ``freedom from the foreigners.``
During the early months of 1921, multiple events including the Khilafat movement and the Karachi resolution fueled the fires of rebellion. A rumour spread amongst the Moplahs that the British rule had ended and the Islamic Caliphate had been re-established at Delhi.
On Aug 20, the first incident of the rebellion occurred at Tirurangadi when the District Magistrate of Calicut with the help of troops attempted to arrest a few Moplah leaders who were in the possession of arms, resulting in clashes.
Arsonists took to the street, burning and destroying government property. The initial focus was on the British, but when the limited presence of the British was eliminated, Moplahs turned their full attention on the Hindus. One Mohommed Haji was proclaimed the Caliph of the Moplah Khilafat and flags of Islamic Caliphate were flown. Ernad and Walluvanad were declared Khilafat kingdoms.
By the end of 1921 the situation was brought back under control. The British administration raised a special quasi-military (or Armed Police) battalion, the Malabar Special Police (MSP). These police recruits were trained by the British Indian Army, and during its initial days the recruits were non-Muslims. The MSP attacked the rioters with an iron-hand, and the rioters were subdued. Another gruesome incident was the ``Wagon Tragedy``.
Arrested Muslim rioters were to be transferred to the Central Prison in Pothanur (near Coimbatore). They were bundled into a Goods/Freight wagon, and the train started its journey. At Pothanur it was found out that the jail was full to its maximum capacity, and the prisoner`s were ordered to be taken back. During this time, 66 of the 100 or so rioters had suffocated to death in the closed iron wagon.
According to official records, the government lost 43 troops with 126 wounded while the Moplahs lost 3,000 (with Moplah accounts putting the number at over 10,000).
Though this was an act of courage against British rule, it was also an act of savagery against the Hindus. Due to this, it is also considered as a jihad against all non-Muslims (Hindu and British) to impose Islamic rule in the area.
The reduction of the Moplah rebellion to only a farmers v/s landlords issue is a leftist/communist interpretation of history that gives every human conflict the colour of a class struggle -- oppressed peasants and workers revolting against the parasitic landlords and industrialists -- while refusing to recognize any other motive like religion, ethnicity or racialism.
It is important to note that the Moplah riots came just after the all-India Khilafat agitation supported by Muslim leaders and Mahatama Gandhi to avoid the elimination of the Islamic Caliphate. The Islamic caliphate was eventually abolished in 1924 by Mustafa Kemal Attaturk the dictator, strongman and father of Modern Turkey. When Attaturk did that he ``pulled out the rug`` from the whole Khilifat movement.
This offers a strong indication that a large section of the Moplahs also saw the affair as a jihad or holy war against the British.]
Idiots like you who subscribe to the Leftist theory that it was a revolt by the landless Muslims against the land-owning Hindus should answer why there was forcible conversion of Hindus during the riots. Does a land-owning Muslim automatically become a non-oppressor of the proleteriat?
This behavior by the Malabar Muslims who historically have not faced any discrimination should open the eyes of Indians. The only good Muslim is one who is neutered at birth so that he won`t be able to contribute to the growth of India`s (and the world`s) Muslim population.
And people like puyu are wondering at the radicalization of Kerala`s Muslims. It is NOT in the water, it is in The Book.
[....it is sad that some chowkies still manage to get in their penchant for Muslim bashing on a board talking about something as uncomplicated as the idyllic backwaters of God`s own country]
What is sad is that people like you have literally no idea of the history of ``God`s Own Country``.
So, here it is from Wikipedia:
[The Moplah rebellion was a British-Muslim and Hindu-Muslim conflict in Kerala that occurred in 1921. The reasons for the conflict are rooted in religious revivalism among the Muslim Moplahs (also known as Mappilas), disaffection with British governance, and resentment at the land owning Hindu Nair community. Events following the Khilafat movement helped organize Moplahs and gave impetus to their actions.
According to one view, the Moplah Rebellion was a result of dissatisfaction of Muslim Moplahs with the land-owning Hindu Nair community and the British administration that inevitably supported the latter. The rebellion had an Islamic fanatic flair to it, and had ramblings of ``freedom from the foreigners.``
During the early months of 1921, multiple events including the Khilafat movement and the Karachi resolution fueled the fires of rebellion. A rumour spread amongst the Moplahs that the British rule had ended and the Islamic Caliphate had been re-established at Delhi.
On Aug 20, the first incident of the rebellion occurred at Tirurangadi when the District Magistrate of Calicut with the help of troops attempted to arrest a few Moplah leaders who were in the possession of arms, resulting in clashes.
Arsonists took to the street, burning and destroying government property. The initial focus was on the British, but when the limited presence of the British was eliminated, Moplahs turned their full attention on the Hindus. One Mohommed Haji was proclaimed the Caliph of the Moplah Khilafat and flags of Islamic Caliphate were flown. Ernad and Walluvanad were declared Khilafat kingdoms.
By the end of 1921 the situation was brought back under control. The British administration raised a special quasi-military (or Armed Police) battalion, the Malabar Special Police (MSP). These police recruits were trained by the British Indian Army, and during its initial days the recruits were non-Muslims. The MSP attacked the rioters with an iron-hand, and the rioters were subdued. Another gruesome incident was the ``Wagon Tragedy``.
Arrested Muslim rioters were to be transferred to the Central Prison in Pothanur (near Coimbatore). They were bundled into a Goods/Freight wagon, and the train started its journey. At Pothanur it was found out that the jail was full to its maximum capacity, and the prisoner`s were ordered to be taken back. During this time, 66 of the 100 or so rioters had suffocated to death in the closed iron wagon.
According to official records, the government lost 43 troops with 126 wounded while the Moplahs lost 3,000 (with Moplah accounts putting the number at over 10,000).
Though this was an act of courage against British rule, it was also an act of savagery against the Hindus. Due to this, it is also considered as a jihad against all non-Muslims (Hindu and British) to impose Islamic rule in the area.
The reduction of the Moplah rebellion to only a farmers v/s landlords issue is a leftist/communist interpretation of history that gives every human conflict the colour of a class struggle -- oppressed peasants and workers revolting against the parasitic landlords and industrialists -- while refusing to recognize any other motive like religion, ethnicity or racialism.
It is important to note that the Moplah riots came just after the all-India Khilafat agitation supported by Muslim leaders and Mahatama Gandhi to avoid the elimination of the Islamic Caliphate. The Islamic caliphate was eventually abolished in 1924 by Mustafa Kemal Attaturk the dictator, strongman and father of Modern Turkey. When Attaturk did that he ``pulled out the rug`` from the whole Khilifat movement.
This offers a strong indication that a large section of the Moplahs also saw the affair as a jihad or holy war against the British.]
Idiots like you who subscribe to the Leftist theory that it was a revolt by the landless Muslims against the land-owning Hindus should answer why there was forcible conversion of Hindus during the riots. Does a land-owning Muslim automatically become a non-oppressor of the proleteriat?
This behavior by the Malabar Muslims who historically have not faced any discrimination should open the eyes of Indians. The only good Muslim is one who is neutered at birth so that he won`t be able to contribute to the growth of India`s (and the world`s) Muslim population.
And people like puyu are wondering at the radicalization of Kerala`s Muslims. It is NOT in the water, it is in The Book.
#22 Posted by aquaris on August 2, 2006 4:16:06 am
actually history is Islam and Muslims in sub-continent begans in Kerala,
.....early arab trader ( One Malik ibn dinar ..?? ) ....was a regular trader , travelling between Arabia and Kerla...via Sea route...
and it is said on of the early Kings of Kerala ( one Chereman Perumal ..? )...when heard of this new Faith Islam...actually went to meet the prophet (mpuh). he took with him some pickles ....which according to some hadiths (....sorry no reference...But I will post when I find them ).... were very much liked by the Prophet...
He married ...and while returning to Kerla .... died somewhere in the present Oman...
the Cherman Masjid refered by indikad75 is infact the SECOND Jama Mosque ( a Big mosque where you conduct proper Friday Prayers )....of Islam.
and the first outside Arabia...
...
#21 Posted by indikad75 on August 2, 2006 12:33:13 am
Thanks Tariq. It felt good reading this piece. I come from near about the same place (just a lil up north). I was born there but moved on owing to my father`s transfers. But we go back as and when possible. I have very fond memories of visiting Kerala as a child. Kottapuram in Kodungallur (a place very close to Kunjithai) was the place where St.Thomas first landed. This is also the location of one of the oldest of the existing Christian churches. There is a fort there too and I assume that the author is talking about the same place. The first mosque constructed in India (the Cheraman Masjid - AD 629) is just a couple of kilometers away... its steeped in history. every now and then I manage to go back to my birthplace to visit my relatives and relive my childhood days... boatrides on the backwaters, the lush green paddy fields and the ubiquitous coconut palm trees .. nostalgia rules:) it is sad that some chowkies still manage to get in their penchant for Muslim bashing on a board talking about something as uncomplicated as the idyllic backwaters of God`s own country/
~ Salil ~
~ Salil ~
#20 Posted by harimau on August 1, 2006 4:38:55 pm
Ref puyu #19
[The growth of Islamic extremism in Tamilnadu more or less coincided with Jayalalitha`s dalliance with hindutva forces.]
Jayalalitha`s dalliance, as you call it, with the BJP lasted about three months just prior to the last parliamentary election. As soon as the alliance lost the election, she said the alliance was off. She did not ally herself with the BJP during the recent statewide elections.
Actually, it has everything to do with the fact that Saudi Arabia offers jobs to those who convert to Islam. A few converts go to Saudi Arabia, come back indoctrinated, and start making noises. I think the Muslims of Tamil Nadu should keep it up. The Thevars and Nadars don`t put up with too much shit and what with the Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister (to list out all his titles) the Fund of Compassion in power and letting most of the goondas loose, we can expect to see a backlash after a while. The frikking Muslims are dumber than a pile of shit. It has something to do with Saudi indoctrination.
[But its their growth in Kerala which has been surprising. The Muslim community in the state has been progressive and had an assured place in the mainstream society. Indian Union Muslim League was a secular platform for the community and there were several other institutions working towards the empowerment of Muslims. Whenever the right wing UDF has been in power the muslim league has enjoyed a disproportionate share of power. Most of the times the party used it positively to gain more education and rights for the community. Apart from this Kerala has remained out of bounds for the hindutva brigade who has always been shunned by the electorate. Though the RSS has a presence in some of the towns ,it has remained on the fringes. Despite all this Kerala has witnessed a spurt of growth in the activities of radical islamic groups. The dynamics of this phenomenon is to be explored.]
What empowerment do these fcukers need? They are in the majority in Malabar (the northern third of the state), control that part, participate in the state cabinet as ministers, get elected to the Parliament, etc. The real problem is that after they return from Saudi Arabia, their daughters are forced to wear the hijab. There are more hijab wearing schoolgirls in Calicut than I have ever seen before. And mosques everywhere, as if they didn`t have any place to pray in. It is all a question of one-upmanship among the Gulf returnees. What they are going for is radical Islamism a la Saudi Arabia. What the government needs to do is to shut down the new mosques and madrassahs, tear the hijab off the children and tell then to stop being Arab wannabe`s. A few well-placed kicks in the ass should move them along nicely. Any Muslim asking for a visa to Saudi Arabia should be prevented from returning to India and told to find himself a place among the Ummah.
[The growth of Islamic extremism in Tamilnadu more or less coincided with Jayalalitha`s dalliance with hindutva forces.]
Jayalalitha`s dalliance, as you call it, with the BJP lasted about three months just prior to the last parliamentary election. As soon as the alliance lost the election, she said the alliance was off. She did not ally herself with the BJP during the recent statewide elections.
Actually, it has everything to do with the fact that Saudi Arabia offers jobs to those who convert to Islam. A few converts go to Saudi Arabia, come back indoctrinated, and start making noises. I think the Muslims of Tamil Nadu should keep it up. The Thevars and Nadars don`t put up with too much shit and what with the Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister (to list out all his titles) the Fund of Compassion in power and letting most of the goondas loose, we can expect to see a backlash after a while. The frikking Muslims are dumber than a pile of shit. It has something to do with Saudi indoctrination.
[But its their growth in Kerala which has been surprising. The Muslim community in the state has been progressive and had an assured place in the mainstream society. Indian Union Muslim League was a secular platform for the community and there were several other institutions working towards the empowerment of Muslims. Whenever the right wing UDF has been in power the muslim league has enjoyed a disproportionate share of power. Most of the times the party used it positively to gain more education and rights for the community. Apart from this Kerala has remained out of bounds for the hindutva brigade who has always been shunned by the electorate. Though the RSS has a presence in some of the towns ,it has remained on the fringes. Despite all this Kerala has witnessed a spurt of growth in the activities of radical islamic groups. The dynamics of this phenomenon is to be explored.]
What empowerment do these fcukers need? They are in the majority in Malabar (the northern third of the state), control that part, participate in the state cabinet as ministers, get elected to the Parliament, etc. The real problem is that after they return from Saudi Arabia, their daughters are forced to wear the hijab. There are more hijab wearing schoolgirls in Calicut than I have ever seen before. And mosques everywhere, as if they didn`t have any place to pray in. It is all a question of one-upmanship among the Gulf returnees. What they are going for is radical Islamism a la Saudi Arabia. What the government needs to do is to shut down the new mosques and madrassahs, tear the hijab off the children and tell then to stop being Arab wannabe`s. A few well-placed kicks in the ass should move them along nicely. Any Muslim asking for a visa to Saudi Arabia should be prevented from returning to India and told to find himself a place among the Ummah.
#19 Posted by puyu on August 1, 2006 2:34:41 pm
The growth of Islamic extremism in Tamilnadu more or less coincided with Jayalalitha`s dalliance with hindutva forces. But its their growth in Kerala which has been surprising. The Muslim community in the state has been progressive and had an assured place in the mainstream society. Indian Union Muslim League was a secular platform for the community and there were several other institutions working towards the empowerment of Muslims. Whenever the right wing UDF has been in power the muslim league has enjoyed a disproportionate share of power. Most of the times the party used it positively to gain more education and rights for the community. Apart from this Kerala has remained out of bounds for the hindutva brigade who has always been shunned by the electorate. Though the RSS has a presence in some of the towns ,it has remained on the fringes. Despite all this Kerala has witnessed a spurt of growth in the activities of radical islamic groups. The dynamics of this phenomenon is to be explored.
#18 Posted by puyu on August 1, 2006 2:16:05 pm
#9
Tamilnadu has been peaceul on the whole but the extremist networks have made inroads in the state. 33 people were killed in a seies of bomb blasts in Coimbatore in February 1998. The blasts were planned to coincide with a BJP campaign rally and by some accounts targeted L K Adwani. The group responsible Al-Umma, was supported by groups across the border in Kerala. The JAyalalitha govt. which came to power after the 98 polls had claimed to have crushed all the terror cells in the state.But some people were arrested and explosives seized in Coimbatore after the recent Mumbai blasts establishing that the roots were deeper.
So while Kerala and Tamilnadu has been exempt from the communal politics until recently, things have taken a turn for the worse.
Tamilnadu has been peaceul on the whole but the extremist networks have made inroads in the state. 33 people were killed in a seies of bomb blasts in Coimbatore in February 1998. The blasts were planned to coincide with a BJP campaign rally and by some accounts targeted L K Adwani. The group responsible Al-Umma, was supported by groups across the border in Kerala. The JAyalalitha govt. which came to power after the 98 polls had claimed to have crushed all the terror cells in the state.But some people were arrested and explosives seized in Coimbatore after the recent Mumbai blasts establishing that the roots were deeper.
So while Kerala and Tamilnadu has been exempt from the communal politics until recently, things have taken a turn for the worse.
#17 Posted by puyu on August 1, 2006 2:15:51 pm
#9
Tamilnadu has been peaceul on the whole but the extremist networks have made inroads in the state. 33 people were killed in a seies of bomb blasts in Coimbatore in February 1998. The blasts were planned to coincide with a BJP campaign rally and by some accounts targeted L K Adwani. The group responsible Al-Umma, was supported by groups across the border in Kerala. The JAyalalitha govt. which came to power after the 98 polls had claimed to have crushed all the terror cells in the state.But some people were arrested and explosives seized in Coimbatore after the recent Mumbai blasts establishing that the roots were deeper.
So while Kerala and Tamilnadu has been exempt from the communal politics until recently, things have taken a turn for the worse.
Tamilnadu has been peaceul on the whole but the extremist networks have made inroads in the state. 33 people were killed in a seies of bomb blasts in Coimbatore in February 1998. The blasts were planned to coincide with a BJP campaign rally and by some accounts targeted L K Adwani. The group responsible Al-Umma, was supported by groups across the border in Kerala. The JAyalalitha govt. which came to power after the 98 polls had claimed to have crushed all the terror cells in the state.But some people were arrested and explosives seized in Coimbatore after the recent Mumbai blasts establishing that the roots were deeper.
So while Kerala and Tamilnadu has been exempt from the communal politics until recently, things have taken a turn for the worse.
#16 Posted by puyu on August 1, 2006 1:50:01 pm
#8 Harimau
A flm is being made in Malayalam on the plight of the Pakistani passport holders living under the threat of extradition. Titled `paradeshi`, its being directed by P.T Kunhi Mohammed, who has been elected to the Kerala legislative assembly twice with CPI(M) support .
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/07/stories/2006060705380200.htm
A flm is being made in Malayalam on the plight of the Pakistani passport holders living under the threat of extradition. Titled `paradeshi`, its being directed by P.T Kunhi Mohammed, who has been elected to the Kerala legislative assembly twice with CPI(M) support .
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/07/stories/2006060705380200.htm
#15 Posted by ch0wkidar on August 1, 2006 4:14:55 am
reg.#9 by CheGuevara
President Abdul Kalam is muslim from Tamilnadu, just like A.R.Rahaman
President Abdul Kalam is muslim from Tamilnadu, just like A.R.Rahaman
#14 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 1, 2006 12:08:38 am
Sadna # 13
Sadna. Thanks for this quick orientation.
nhk
Sadna. Thanks for this quick orientation.
nhk
#13 Posted by sadna on July 31, 2006 11:58:42 pm
Sorry for the typos/grammer and size of the pics, which are all cut and pastes.
#12 Posted by sadna on July 31, 2006 11:55:07 pm
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#11 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on July 31, 2006 8:35:37 pm
Dehliwala # 7
(Of all the places in India, Kerala is probably the most tolerant and friendly places to Muslims)
The Pakistani Embassy in Dehli has requested the West Bengal (I think) state to provide them technical assisstance with regard to the Madressa curriculum and syllabus. In order to carry out reforms in Pakistani Madressas which have a tunnel vision & preach hatred towards other faiths.
It is believed that students from different faiths attend these madressas & and there has never been any communal tension in these states.
nhk
(Of all the places in India, Kerala is probably the most tolerant and friendly places to Muslims)
The Pakistani Embassy in Dehli has requested the West Bengal (I think) state to provide them technical assisstance with regard to the Madressa curriculum and syllabus. In order to carry out reforms in Pakistani Madressas which have a tunnel vision & preach hatred towards other faiths.
It is believed that students from different faiths attend these madressas & and there has never been any communal tension in these states.
nhk
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