Khalid Sohail August 22, 2006
#277 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:48:51 am
My condolences to tahmed32 ... R.I.P to his best friend.
#276 Posted by swarrier on August 24, 2006 11:47:51 am
Re: # 260
``Not in Islam because ethnicity is of no consequence in its vision. ``
No doubt that is true in its basic vision but that has to be shared by everybody and this is where I tend to diverge. I feel that humans beings what they are will eventually move away to explore related or different ideas with those of like minds or extraction. Things have to change. Perhaps I think that way because religion is not of great importance to me. That is my pre-conceived notion.
Why would you think that the areas that produce oil and gas have to be physically occupied? I`m not saying you are wrong. But there could be another line of thinking that would look at a pragmatic partnership. That area is not being pursued actively because It is easier to do business with a despot that one can control than with a perceived volatile local population. Democracies are good inasmuch as they are friendly to you.
Lastly negotiations take time, sometimes a long time. Perhaps some elected governments tend to think of time and achievements in packages such as 4 of 5 year electoral periods, or even worse election year deliverables . Too short to think of long term gains.
Shall read GT`s Ilog sometime today.
``Not in Islam because ethnicity is of no consequence in its vision. ``
No doubt that is true in its basic vision but that has to be shared by everybody and this is where I tend to diverge. I feel that humans beings what they are will eventually move away to explore related or different ideas with those of like minds or extraction. Things have to change. Perhaps I think that way because religion is not of great importance to me. That is my pre-conceived notion.
Why would you think that the areas that produce oil and gas have to be physically occupied? I`m not saying you are wrong. But there could be another line of thinking that would look at a pragmatic partnership. That area is not being pursued actively because It is easier to do business with a despot that one can control than with a perceived volatile local population. Democracies are good inasmuch as they are friendly to you.
Lastly negotiations take time, sometimes a long time. Perhaps some elected governments tend to think of time and achievements in packages such as 4 of 5 year electoral periods, or even worse election year deliverables . Too short to think of long term gains.
Shall read GT`s Ilog sometime today.
#275 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 11:47:14 am
Zeehadi, Echo and Khasi Uncle
would remian here bcoz this is your site.
Fair on you Chowk Editors!
would remian here bcoz this is your site.
Fair on you Chowk Editors!
#274 Posted by Raw_Dust on August 24, 2006 11:47:14 am
GT:
Thanks for that wrap up. I just read it. imo, one way to look at suicide bombers is to look at their core beliefs in which they were brought up (not the indoctrination that happens once you volunteer).
Is it possible that the reflex of bombing among poor and brought up as muslims has something to do with the fundamental disconnect between their latent core beliefs and the reality they wake up to everyday? If one were to believe that Allah`s will literally ordains every second and every thing to come into BEING then how come this perceived humiliation and subjugation of ``muslim world`` by the deniers of Allah is Willed by the very same Allah? Why Allah who demands total submission and in return offer rewards for the faithful seems to pay no heed to his own people?
This disconnect is never articulated but i figure it can be termed as the borderline crisis of faith issue. It seems, it has very little to do with dispossession or poverty and more to do with the cosmology that a palestinian in a refugee camp or a second generation Brit Pakistani with sufficient means linving in the west holds dear which is one and the same.
Thanks for that wrap up. I just read it. imo, one way to look at suicide bombers is to look at their core beliefs in which they were brought up (not the indoctrination that happens once you volunteer).
Is it possible that the reflex of bombing among poor and brought up as muslims has something to do with the fundamental disconnect between their latent core beliefs and the reality they wake up to everyday? If one were to believe that Allah`s will literally ordains every second and every thing to come into BEING then how come this perceived humiliation and subjugation of ``muslim world`` by the deniers of Allah is Willed by the very same Allah? Why Allah who demands total submission and in return offer rewards for the faithful seems to pay no heed to his own people?
This disconnect is never articulated but i figure it can be termed as the borderline crisis of faith issue. It seems, it has very little to do with dispossession or poverty and more to do with the cosmology that a palestinian in a refugee camp or a second generation Brit Pakistani with sufficient means linving in the west holds dear which is one and the same.
#273 Posted by echoboom on August 24, 2006 11:41:58 am
#270 was a very successful suicide-bombing.
Congratulations HP, for your sermon while mounting.
Congratulations HP, for your sermon while mounting.
#271 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:40:53 am
Yes Arjun_M(acaca) is back with another ID. Not for long though .....
#269 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 11:33:40 am
Re: # 246
HP,
These comments are contextual. A word like BC is a humour word/a mere slang in Punjab but an abuse elsewhere in India.
Europe bore the brunt of Hitler`s machinations - directly & indirectly, therefore he`s an object of hate. In India, he an academic subject, there are othe concerns for Indians......
A ref to Hitler is as common as a BC in Punjab, no offence meant. In fact the person called as Hitler in the movie is a hero of the movie.
Jews were in India - like Parsis after, were peaceable lot.
Though not so peaceful. We have Maj Gen JFR Jacob of Bangladesh War fame is an Indian Jew. He led Indian army against Pak in Bangladesh in 1971.
Can ou spot JFR Jacob in this?
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images/0042.jpg
(Can somebody paste this for me here?)
HP,
These comments are contextual. A word like BC is a humour word/a mere slang in Punjab but an abuse elsewhere in India.
Europe bore the brunt of Hitler`s machinations - directly & indirectly, therefore he`s an object of hate. In India, he an academic subject, there are othe concerns for Indians......
A ref to Hitler is as common as a BC in Punjab, no offence meant. In fact the person called as Hitler in the movie is a hero of the movie.
Jews were in India - like Parsis after, were peaceable lot.
Though not so peaceful. We have Maj Gen JFR Jacob of Bangladesh War fame is an Indian Jew. He led Indian army against Pak in Bangladesh in 1971.
Can ou spot JFR Jacob in this?
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images/0042.jpg
(Can somebody paste this for me here?)
#268 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:27:16 am
#257 by sattar2
I only said that in my opinion he could not have been anything other than supernatural by the capacaties he displayed.
As for himself, he always maintained he was only a mere mortal and noone should think otherwise. Please read the last sermon where he asked for forgiveness if he had erred.
I only said that in my opinion he could not have been anything other than supernatural by the capacaties he displayed.
As for himself, he always maintained he was only a mere mortal and noone should think otherwise. Please read the last sermon where he asked for forgiveness if he had erred.
#267 Posted by HP on August 24, 2006 11:25:51 am
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#266 Posted by amlurkid on August 24, 2006 11:25:01 am
awwwww....Pakis were already way behind Indians...now they`re going to fall further behind..
goatbrain: you`ll be driving your cab a lot longer..
9/11 affected wages of Muslims in US: Study
Wages and weekly earnings of Arab and Muslim men living in the United States fell by 10 per cent following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, a new study shows.
In addition, the adverse affects of September 11 on wages were greater in areas that reported high rates of hate crime related to religious, ethnic or country of origin bias, according to the upcoming study in the Journal of Human Resources.
``I was surprised,`` Robert Kaestner, study co-author and University of Illinois at Chicago professor of economics, said of the findings.
``We see an immediate and significant connection between personal prejudice and economic harm.``
Evidence also suggests the terrorists` attacks reduced intrastate migration, making Arab and Muslim men more reluctant to seek better opportunities in new destinations due to the uncertainty of their reception.
The study measured changes in wages of first- and second-generation immigrants from countries with predominantly Arab or Muslim populations between September 1997 and September 2005 and compared them to changes in wages of first- and second-generation immigrants with similar skills from other countries.
goatbrain: you`ll be driving your cab a lot longer..
9/11 affected wages of Muslims in US: Study
Wages and weekly earnings of Arab and Muslim men living in the United States fell by 10 per cent following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, a new study shows.
In addition, the adverse affects of September 11 on wages were greater in areas that reported high rates of hate crime related to religious, ethnic or country of origin bias, according to the upcoming study in the Journal of Human Resources.
``I was surprised,`` Robert Kaestner, study co-author and University of Illinois at Chicago professor of economics, said of the findings.
``We see an immediate and significant connection between personal prejudice and economic harm.``
Evidence also suggests the terrorists` attacks reduced intrastate migration, making Arab and Muslim men more reluctant to seek better opportunities in new destinations due to the uncertainty of their reception.
The study measured changes in wages of first- and second-generation immigrants from countries with predominantly Arab or Muslim populations between September 1997 and September 2005 and compared them to changes in wages of first- and second-generation immigrants with similar skills from other countries.
#265 Posted by amlurkid on August 24, 2006 11:23:30 am
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#264 Posted by amlurkid on August 24, 2006 11:23:03 am
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#263 Posted by GT on August 24, 2006 11:21:45 am
Re: # 259
HP and others,
I have posted a crude sketch (from my perspective) of the discussion in my ilog. Feel free to tear it apart.
HP and others,
I have posted a crude sketch (from my perspective) of the discussion in my ilog. Feel free to tear it apart.
#262 Posted by HP on August 24, 2006 11:16:39 am
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