Psychology of Suicide ’Bombers’

#260 by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:10am PT


But it`s not as simple as that. These areas, after all, belong to Muslims.


It belongs to the doped out saudi princes who`re probably getting it on with hookers in Europe right now...

If the land/oil belongs to muslims, why does the land of the pure pay for it`s oil imports?

#252 by swarrier

No it isn`t a rant.

However, there are some conjectures and some pre-conceived notions in it such as ``Ethnic and cultural differences will eventually triumph as it always does.`` Not in Islam because ethnicity is of no consequence in its vision.

And ``attack on Lebanon by Israel was an act of desperation by a state that is essentially fighting for is survival.`` It is an accepted fact, even by Israelis, that they are sitting illegimately on someone else`s land, and trying to remain on it by expanding into all threatening neighbouring lands as well, as described in debate between Norman Finkelstein & Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami where Shlomo Ben Ami accepts Israel to have been ``Born in Sin``.

But that`s opening a pandora`s box and that`s not the subject here.

You are absolutely right in saying ``Oil is to be appropriated, people should forgo religious ideas, consumerism is good, technology is good, dog eat dog, the most savvy will survive. They like to negotiate with like minded Arabs etc. They also understand greed, corruption etc because that does not cease to exist in secular lands.``

All the above works in a market economy ... which is fine as far as manufactured goods and services are concerned. It doesn`t work where Oil, or Gas are concerned. These two resources are no less than the very lifeblood of the entire western civilization, and control over these two through market economy is not possible. The areas which produce these have to be physically occupied to ensure sustenance of the west. That is the crux of the matter.

But it`s not as simple as that. These areas, after all, belong to Muslims. Trade is better than war. Oil will still be feasible at $200 a barrel if that`s the market price. If only Muslims were engaged in meaningful dialogue instead of bombing them all the time, there would be peace. There may not be six-eight-cylinder cars in the US anymore, but how much blood is that worth?

GT,

Paste it right here and on your ilog.. I am interested...

Guys

I have written up a sketch of the discussion. I would like your input. However, it is a bit more than two pages and I do not want to stick it in here. Where should I put it such that you can comment on it?

Nizam-e-Mustafa is be a scary idea when mullahs are put in charge of defining and implementing it.

According to mullah Urstruly (and hence mullah Zeemax, I`d think), this Nizam-e-Mustafa would dictate that a Muslim who leaves Islam should be killed. And this is one of the many views negated squarely by Quran, but justified on basis of “history of Islam” by violent fanatics.

Urstruly miaN, going back to wrestler example which you cited to rationalize suicide bombings (#6), here’s a thought: Let’s say this wrestler is allowed to use only two holds. This makes it an unfair match, agreed. So would it make sense for this wrestler to set the building on fire … killing the spectators, his opponent, as well as himself … and call it victory??

BTW, I noticed that Zeemax Sahib is arguing that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was indeed supernatural (#142). Are we to believe this gibbrish? Your cousin Naqshbandi insists that rivers flowed through the fingers of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Are we to accept this silliness also? Let’s first be clear on “Mustafa” … before jumping to “Nizam-e-Mustafa”. No??

#255 Zee,

You need to read his post again to see what asadi is saying . He is more of a social scientist than a religious scholar but he certainly has outstanding knowledge of religion and the subjects he likes...

#251 by Urstruly

Yes. That`s true. I think Masadi is a great scholar, and is indeed very knowledgable, but I find his complete rejection of Islamic history quite perplexing ...

He is actually right that all the source is contained in the Qura`an, but certainly no written document can contain all the variables ... and those too constantly changing ...

But nevertheless ... I`m not qualified to question ...

Now that Pheeda the Psychilist has revealed his mind....

Let us get inside a goraa`s mind to try to understand what goes ``Inside the Minds of Suicide Bombers``.

Goraa has an answer for everything. Gora has a slot-machine approach to life. Fast answers. Quick solutions.

Except what the goraa is unaware of is that he has counterfeit coins of learning & scholarship...he is a kafir!

``tuumhaari tehzeeb upnay khanjar sey aap hee khuud-Kashee k`ray Gee
jo shaakh-i naazuk pey aashiana banay Gaa; naa paidaar hogaa``.........ALLAMA IQBAL

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Yeh Drama dikhaaey Gaa kyaa Scene
PUrdah UuThHnay kee muntazir hai NiGaah``....again ALLAMA IQBAL



and now here is the show; the management , goes without saying, does not agree with what is inside the goraa mind which is delving ito the minds of the..blah blah blah.

Isn`t it nice to see the Baboons jumping up & down with their laal-Laal rumped gaals.


Oh tempora32 oh mores2! :) :)

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Inside the Minds Of Suicide Bombers

By GABRIELLE BIRKNER

August 24, 2006

Dressed in military fatigues and brandishing an assault rifle, a young man pledges allegiance to a Palestinian militia. The 29-year-old married father of three looks into the camera, and vows to carry out a suicide attack in Israel — even if it means killing young children.

``God will accept our martyrdom,`` declares the Gaza native. Known by his nom de guerre, Abu Huzaifa, he is among more than a dozen Palestinian terrorists featured in filmmaker Pierre Rehov`s documentary ``Suicide Killers,`` which opens tomorrow in New York.

Two years ago, Mr. Rehov, an Algeria-born Jewish filmmaker who has directed seven documentaries, including the controversial 2003 film ``The Road to Jenin,`` set out to make a film about Israelis wounded in suicide bombings. But in the early stages of his project, his focus shifted from the victims to the terrorists.

``I would hear the same story over and over,`` Mr. Rehov told The New York Sun. ``They were waiting in a disco or they were sitting in a pizzeria. They saw a man with a big smile approach, they heard an explosion, and the rest of their life was ruined.``

In an attempt to determine ``what was behind the smile,`` Mr. Rehov spent two years conducting on-camera interviews with avowed terrorists and their families. There were Palestinian men and women whose suicide missions were intercepted, who survived self-inflicted explosions, or who planned or coordinated other suicide attacks.

``As you know, God has announced that he would place 72 virgins in Paradise, and I would be the prettiest of them all,`` a convicted terrorist, serving a life sentence in an Israeli women`s prison, said.

To conduct prison interviews, Mr. Rehov was required to get permission from both the Israeli government and the terror groups with which the interviewees are affiliated, he said. Two years after he embarked on the project, the filmmaker said terrorism is rooted in the Islamic notion of pure and impure. Indeed, the film dwells on his subjects` notion of heaven as an orgiastic fantasyland, where some behaviors considered impure on Earth are sanctioned.


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Tahmed13,
I suggest that we bury the hatchet. There is no point in senseless personal abuses and unnecessary altercations between the two of us. My main complaints against you have more to do with your viewpoints concerning Mohajirs and the derogatory manner in which you refer to us. Specifically:

1. You have been the sole interactor on Chowk to be vehemently against the repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in Bangladesh. You often refer to these unfortunate human beings as ``Biharis`` as if you are demeaning them merely to justify their immoral treatment by the GoP.
2. Your lack of compassion for Mohajirs in general while you display reverence and sympathy for other victims such as Punjabi victims of partition, Punjabi/Kashmiri victims of the recent earthquakes, and Punjabi victims of rape, hudood laws, and cruelty. You need to be reminded that people whose forefathers originated from India are also human beings, deserving of our respect, compassion, and understanding.
3. Your constantly negative comments about Karachi and MQM that are not even thinly disguised to mask your deep resentment and bigotry against Mohajirs. Contrast that with your jingoistic praise for Lahore, Pindi, and all things Punjabi.
4. Even your opposition to Mushy appears more to be a bias against Mohajirs rather than a general rejection of dictators. Regardless of what you think, Zia was far more pernicious for Pakistan than Mushy can ever hope to be.

I am not going to do your administrative research to cite specific posts where you have exposed yourself as a bigot. Suffice it to say, that as a former supporter of your interactions, over time and as a result of your own posts, I have reached the conclusion that you have some really personal issues with Mohajirs and Urdu-speaking people. May Allah grant you the wisdom and clear vision to recognize your own shortcomings in this regard. I wish you good luck and J`espere que vous aurez un bon temp ici. Merci.

After that moment of light relief

Zeemax,
Your posts show a schism between the Hezbollah thought process and that of Bin Laden et al. Now that is probably true. I also do not know whether the Hezbollah is influenced by just the Shia thought process or it is an amalgam of a religious and a political belief in a nation state.

While Bin Ladenism/ Qtubsim may be the re-awakening of a Muslim state I do not think it will hold for a long period of time. Ethnic and cultural differences will eventually triumph as it always does. Not necessarily to the detriment of a population but definitely into questioning modes of thought.

Now the west may not want to understand the Muslim thought form or at least Bin Laden`s thought process (After all Syed Qutub`s thought processes are only his not necessarily Muhammad`s). Essentially because the West has moved away from religion as the binding force. e.g. it is difficult for a secular person brought up with little religious influence to get angry about the desecration of a religious symbol.

Hence the policy builders in the West see things in the Middle East the way they would see things back home. Oil is to be appropriated, people should forgo religious ideas, consumerism is good, technology is good, dog eat dog, the most savvy will survive. They like to negotiate with like minded Arabs etc. They also understand greed, corruption etc because that does not cease to exist in secular lands.

Now I am sure there are people in the West who understand what Bin Laden is about but they may be pushed into the background depending on the political leadership and its urgencies. G W Bush had one policy , it need not necessarily have been that of his opponent had he been elected. Now of course it remains to be seen how the next guy can get out of the mess Mr.Bush has got the nation into.

I think the attack on Lebanon by Israel was an act of desperation by a state that is essentially fighting for is survival. Everything in Israel is seen as extinction or life. Having met some Israelis in India, a lot of the youth are sick of the fighting. In fact they come to India after 3 years of armed service to get cheap grass and smoke it get high and forget some of the issues back home.

End of long rant. Take everything with a tablespoon of salt. I wrote this at lunch time , it was food for thought.-))

Re: # 250

Zeemax

I am sorry but I do not see a point in discussing this issue with masadi. It is like leading a group of scholars through the Valley of Kings in Egypt, when one of them suddenly raises hand says ``I am sorry to say this but all your arguments and everything around us that you call `supporting evidence` is based on a false premise - the Egyptian Pahroahs and their dynasties never existed``.

I do not have energy for that.

#205 by masadi/#23 by Urstruly

Can we get back to Nizam e Mustafa please?

In any case I must stay well clear of a battle between two illustrious titans for fear of being trampled.

The issue of suiciders has been dissected and I think it is the verdict that this article is shallow at best, but I`m sure Dr. Sohail will look into it for a more insightful one.

Dr sohail,
very right anlysis of suicidial bombers.
western powers do understand it but intentionally , don`t want to address it.
`` is so tragic that even in the 21st.century rather than being civilized and enlightened, living with peace, harmony and love and realizing that all of us are members of the same family, the human family, we are still considering members of other religions, sects, tribes, countries and communities as our enemies and then demonizing them to such an extent that we are willing to take their lives with no stab of conscience whether as army officers in the West or as ‘suicide bombers’ in the East. We still do not realize that we are all children of Mother Earth, our enemies are our distant cousins and all human beings are equally sacred. How sad``
last paragraph is very very true.

Re: # 245

I don`t mind HP posting this up. He`s trying to get the wind up everybody and that`s good. My point is that I don`t give a tinkers damn about it if you look at it in the right context.
Nobody has persecuted Jews in India. In fact I`m pretty sure Sablok Builders wouldn`t know what a Jew was.
I wasn`t aware that it was a big news item in the US. We can`t have the guardians of the world not tell us what is right and wrong. I want Leiberman to dine at the restaurant to express his solidarity with poort third world hotel owners. -))
As for offending communities .... what can I say. I didn`t see any Americans going to town about Hindu deities on toilet seats. They probably thought it was pictures of the Dolly Lama.

Here is a good commentary on this by a blogger…

``HITLER WAS A bad man, but what`s wrong with having food here?`` That`s what Ashwini Phadnis has to ask Jews upset about the opening of a Hitler-themed restaurant in Kharghar, India near Bombay. As Mike Crowley notes the guy at the end of one of these articles who says naming a restaurant ``Hitler`s Cross`` is just like naming a place ``George Bush Footwear`` seems to have lost the plot.

I`m surprised, though, that nobody seems to be making the analogy that actually is appropriate here -- plenty of businesses operate on a Communism theme. When I lived in the Boston area, I used to go to People`s Republic in Central Square. When I`m in New York City I`ve been known to frequent KGB Bar and while I think it may have closed, Nikita on MacDougal Street was definitely more Nikita Khruschev than La Femme Nikita.

I don`t really understand why we have this particular convention in the West. If you actually went around singing Stalin`s praises people would be horrified. But Communist kitsch is fine. Nazi kitsch, however, is not. You can see why Indians might find this nonsensical and think that calling a spot Hitler`s Cross is no more an offensive endorsement of the Holocaust than calling a place KGB Bar is a pro-GULAG statement.

#243 by VRV,

I don’t visit India or Pakistan that often but I do know that some living in gutters use this to describe ruthless people.

Recently a san Francisco football player called his coach Hitler and now he is apologizing all over the town...