Zeemax #397 {`` It is quite surprising because Salim doesn`t need any support ... believe me he is sturdy enough so you won`t get anything from attacking his friends.
``}

Zee,
My friend, thank you for standing up for me, but I wish you had not made the ``sturdy`` comment. Now, she will never leave me alone. :(

contd...#408....

And certainly it was the idea you were advancing, not your person why I supported your questions. It was towards transparency and accountability. All very fair. If you ask these again, or anyone else, I will support that.

#407 by saminasha2

Sure I see where you come from. I admire your courage in the face of tremendous hostility, all for what you stand for. That is of-course admirable. Those are `principles`.

But, other people have principles too. So does Chuhan, so do I. If it comes to push & shove, we do it. If women attack me, their privates are no more private than mine.

For example, you can pull out my posts from the early days (you were here too) and you`ll see whether that was always the case.

But, respect remains. I reiterate that. What you object to is just semantics.

Re: # 397

Zeemax,

Being unamused by your tacit support of chuhan is not necessarily ``attacking`` you. I am highly critical of that support and also your and HP`s language and gendered metaphors lately. Kindly refrain from referring to womens bodies in a pejorative and sexualized manners-it is not acceptable.

Having said that, I do appreciate your support of questions I believed and still believed it was ethical to ask. I appreciate your support of the fairness of the idea I was advancing and not necessarily me-I hope you can see that distinction.

Lets remember the enormous human tragedy inflicted in this subcontinent from the annals of history .This massacre enabled pakistan to once for all solve its hindu/sikh minority problem on an permanent basis . Due to foolhardy Gandhi /Nehru Indias muslim minority has grown to 20 crores nad has several suicide sleeper bombers.Next generations of Hindus
/sikhs will laways suffer this Congressi blunder.
Competitive Massacre

Posted Monday, Sep. 8, 1947(TIME)
While the orchestra at Lahore`s Falett`s Hotel played quietly for dancing, European guests drank cocktails on the moonlit terrace. Beyond earshot of the music, whole blocks of buildings lay gutted. Streets were bare and silent. Over the deserted railroad station the smell of corpses hung.
One-seventh of Lahore, capital of the Punjab, had been destroyed. Scores of nearby towns and villages had been razed. War—or rather, competitive massacre—between Moslems and Sikhs had reached a pitch of horror that made the Indian Mutiny of 1857 look like a mere street brawl. In two weeks, between 40,000 and 150,000 people had been killed in the Punjab. Most of the bodies were too hacked and charred to be recognized. At least a million were homeless.
``Never during two wars have I seen such sights as I have seen these last two days,`` said a middle-aged British colonel at Lahore airport. ``All those atrocity yarns we used to hear, such as Germans cutting Belgian children`s hands off and raping and then killing women, have suddenly come true in the Punjab during the last week.``
``The Joy of Fraternization.`` For months the Punjab`s communal hatred had been boiling up into slaughter. A previous climax came last spring when hundreds were killed in riots there (TIME, March 17). In mid-August the partition of the Punjab between India and Pakistan left 1.6 of the 3.8 million Sikhs in the province under Moslem rule; at least twice as many Moslems remained on the Indian side of the border in a new East Punjab state.
The Sikhs are an offshoot of the Hindu religion; they organized 300 years ago to resist militantly Moslem oppression. The British had used the warlike Sikhs extensively, giving them land and offices, especially in the fertile, predominantly Moslem West Punjab. In consequence, the Moslems hate Sikhs far more than they do Hindus.
The rest of India was relatively quiet. In once turbulent Calcutta, Mohandas K. Gandhi, still striving for Hindu-Moslem unity, was able to write of the situation there: ``One might almost say the joy of fraternization is leaping up from hour to hour.``
There was no fraternization in the Punjab. At Amritsar, on the Indian side of the border, organized gangs of Sikhs had exterminated or driven out the Moslem minority population (150,000). Moslems in Lahore and other Pakistan border regions retaliated against the Hindus and Sikhs there.
Mohamed Ali Jinnah, who had conceived Pakistan in hatred and was now its president and undisputed boss, sent to the West Punjab as governor his faithful follower, the Khan of Momdot. The bland, moonfaced Khan had served four years in the Punjab Legislative Assembly without opening his mouth. When he got to the West Punjab, he acted. With his province literally in flames, the Khan of Momdot relaxed regulations that had restricted the carrying of firearms; he also decreed that every man could wear a sword, provided it was covered.
Some of his subordinates went further. The Moslem deputy commissioner of one of the Western Punjab districts mourned a son killed on the Indian side of the border. Said he to the young Moslems: ``You have full liberty to go the limit.
Take revenge as you like, but if there is one Hindu or Sikh left alive in my district after you are through, I swear to kill them myself.``

The Canal Turned Pink. TIME Correspondent Robert Neville flew over the area last week, then talked with refugees and correspondents fleeing from the carnage. Neville cabled:
``Just flying over the Punjab today with a landing here & there gives a feeling that terrible things have happened below. The number of smoking villages that can be counted from Ambala up to Lahore must be at least 150. Here & there can be seen a big town like Sialkot and Gujranwala, where charred black districts tell the story that here the property of one entire community was wiped out.
``The panorama of West Punjab seems even worse. In hitherto peaceful districts like Montgomery and Lyallpur there is not one town which has not been a battlefield. There is no bazaar which has not been burned out. Streams of refugees can be seen approaching all bridges, and over some roads they form virtual convoys miles long. On a ten-mile stretch of road leading to the big bridge over the Sutlej River into Pakistan, there must have been 100,000 people, most of them walking beside bullock carts piled high with their sole possessions.
``At Lahore`s Central Station, Sikh and Hindu refugees from North or West Punjab were mobbed on the platform, often stabbed to death and their few belongings looted. A major incident involved a big convoy carrying perhaps 1,000 from Sialkot to Amritsar. The convoy was stopped and attacked at the Ravi River bridge. Hundreds were stabbed to death and other hundreds wounded.
``Refugees from Lyallpur in West Punjab say that so many Sikhs and Hindus were murdered and their bodies thrown into the canal that the canal actually had a pinkish color for a day after. Moslem refugees told how Sikhs stripped and paraded Moslem women through the streets, raped them and then killed them. British correspondents reported having seen dead, naked women lying about villages of the Amritsar district.``
A Look of Satisfaction. ``Although railway administrations of both Dominions have doggedly tried to keep a skeleton schedule going, they have now given up. For days on end no trains arrived in Delhi without having been attacked and looted practically all along the route.
``Near Jullundur, a band of Sikhs held up a train, methodically searched all compartments and pulled out 17 Moslems, whom they beheaded on the platform. Most amazing of all was the look of bland satisfaction on the faces of these young Sikh men, their hands dripping blood, their clothes smeared with blood, as they stood and grinned at their handiwork while the train finally pulled out. The only Moslems who escaped on this trip were two who were hidden by two British officers under their baggage.
``A British correspondent traveling in the opposite direction through this territory saw half a dozen lying stabbed on the Lahore platform, slowly dying without any help being given. Later that night, on a small siding south of Amritsar, a band of Sikhs entered his compartment and before his eyes beheaded a Moslem apparently trying to travel disguised as a Hindu. (For identification, both sides use the tried and true means of seeing whether there has been circumcision. Moslems always circumcize, the Hindus and Sikhs practically never.)
``A member of the U.S. Embassy arrived in Lahore from Delhi with another tale of horror. Reaching the small station of Okara, near Montgomery, he found the station platform utterly deserted except for several hundred dead Hindus and Sikhs lying around the platform, apparently slaughtered only a few hours before while waiting for the train to escape. All these people were workers in a textile mill which had been attacked by Moslems. Their bodies were mostly stripped and in several instances limbs had been torn from the bodies. The wife of a British textile factory manager told how a Moslem mob had attacked the Hindu and Sikh workers in another factory. When Moslems broke into the ground floor, the Sikhs slashed the throats of their own wives, and afterwards tried to fight through themselves. All were killed.``
Authorities were utterly unable to cope with the situation. In many cases both Sikh and Moslem police had participated in the riots. British soldiers, present in the Punjab, were not allowed to interfere under the arrangements now in force for Indian independence.
No Plans. For the homeless, crippled refugees, no one had anticipated relief measures. In New Delhi a penniless Hindu woman from the West Punjab clutched her two children, told of her husband`s murder by Moslems. ``Don`t ask her about her plans,`` cautioned a welfare official, ``she hasn`t any and neither have we.``
The rioting was breaking down railroad traffic between parts of India and Pakistan. Unless it was soon restored, both nations, especially Pakistan, would be economically crippled. Fearing that the Punjab rioting would spread, millions of Hindus and Moslems prepared to cross borders in a transfer of population greater than Europe had ever seen.
In his new capital, Karachi, Jinnah preached that ``restraint is necessary.`` However, the fires of communal hatred, which he had fanned for 20 years, were burning too brightly in the Punjab to be easily stifled. They might spread


From the Sep. 8, 1947 issue of TIME magazine

#404 its interesting to note that often it is not only the paki guys as you put - I know of many a subcontinental old person do this jumping up and down thing....what they call respect or izzat - is actually demanded by them not commanded by them!

So I will take issue with you and say why do you isolate on old paki foggies! Shame you sire! you are a true bigot!

#401 tahmed32 sir, you are the exception...and a good one.....you are someone who can dig up waltermitty and read it, and then say never read it before and glad I did it - and you have my respect for this!

If you see zeemax jump and down at a drop of a hat, or echoboom chacha or MASADI mian get agitated you will know what I mean ;-(). The give meaning to a phrase, if I could coin it,`` armchair-keyboarding is mightier than the pen and the sword combined`` (AKIMTPASC).

the other exception is ofcourse URSTRULY - a man who has my respect. never wavers from the straight line according to his beliefs, never shy to acknowledge right and worng and always open to an argument.

#401 as an ``old, mature`` paki guy, could i ask exactly which post of mine shows that i have ``jangled`` my nerves? :-)

#400 well said. The holy prophet, according to common belief, said that ``the pen is mightier than the sword``.

His most ardent followers, the ones who are ready to kill in his name, demonstrate that they think that ``the sword is mightier than the pen``.

Re: # 375

Alephnull, you have just driven the nail straight through the head. It appears that it is very easy to send them up and jangle their nerves.
serenity is a concept they will nt understand, unless and until they figure out Cantor and the infinite possibilities of this world.

Its a sad day when these old mature guys managed to take over this place .....

Suicide bomber are like person who want to prove some things by his extreme action, He/She wants to send a Massage to the targeted people. They are like a marketing guy who wants to convey his massage, feeling and reaction product to the unarmed innocent`s civilians. But massage is well received by only to people who love one`s life suffer.

When they need to Communicate and there massage ignore they become like this:

Al Qaeda, Tamil Tigers ,Chechen rebels, Palestinian militants, Kurdistan Workers Party, Arnold von Winkelried, kamikaze pilots,ETA (Basque for ``Basque Homeland and Freedom, IRA (RIRA) Ireland, TAK Kurdish in Turkey, United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) of Assam, Nepal-Maoist, Abu Sayyaf Group, Shiv Sena, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS),Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi,Lashkar-e-Toiba, Lord`s Resistance Army Uganda, Army of God ,Freedomites Canada, Nagaland Rebels,National Liberation Front of Tripura, God`s Army Myanmar.Ku Klux Klan, Irgun, Jewish Defense League, Khalistan Zindabad Force ,

We are the People same like a person`` who is watching the Animal Planet, watching Tiger hunt the deer, Lion eat his own cubs, wild fire, some people treating the dogs like their own kids and someone people eating them to survive. We all say that the nature until the rattail snake bite you own kid on your homme backyard.

My point is taht we need to Communicate and Communicate well, understand each others and their problems and come up with Peaceful Possible Solutions.

Do you believe that We all are the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve?

Iqbal uses his Pen, Ghandi uses his simple ideology, Khalid Sohail uses his keyboard and
the stupid use the Bombs.

Think +ive ! Think Global !

Peace Out!

Ahad

AlephNull # 375

Jiyo !
How true it is! I wish these oldies join some Vipassana course to give serenity to their nerves. Sometimes, I wonder if their university going sons have stolen their id and writing these posts on Chowk. If their sons are into it, it is understandable but these mature men going on and on? Disgusting for others but I am sure not embarrassing for them inspite of their age.

For abuse free inreracts:-
AlephNull Zindabad
Arjun-m Zindabad

#396 by zeemax

`` It has been clear to some for long and now becoming clearer to others, that this cartload of he-macacas, she-macacas and khasi-macacas has nothing to contribute to any board but only jump in here to abuse Muslims and Pakistan irrespective of the issues under discussion, about which they have no knowledge to begin with.

It must be known to them that their tail-less red butts will be soundly kicked. ``

Meanwhile in the real world, Sand-macacas, sand-macaca wannables and sand macaca look-alikes are being detained, cavity searched and generally kicked around all over the world on a mere suspicion of sneezing.

#374 by saminasha2 re: # 356

Saminasha, do you attack me just because I am Salim`s friend? It is quite surprising because Salim doesn`t need any support ... believe me he is sturdy enough so you won`t get anything from attacking his friends.

Besides, you have a short memory. Do you recall when you had posted an iLog demanding some explanations from the-then Chief Editor, I had started a UP thread in your support? Despite that scrap of ours on the Jawahara board?

Anyhow, I have respect for your literary ability as well as your humanist stand on many issues, so would rather not get into acrimony with you. There is no reason for it.

#371 by HP/#372 by godot

It has been clear to some for long and now becoming clearer to others, that this cartload of he-macacas, she-macacas and khasi-macacas has nothing to contribute to any board but only jump in here to abuse Muslims and Pakistan irrespective of the issues under discussion, about which they have no knowledge to begin with.

It must be known to them that their tail-less red butts will be soundly kicked.

C.C. Other Chowk boards

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Khasi HP,

Be warned.

Dont drag me to this type of brawl.

If you have anything, disuss and ask.

If you disagree, fine, do it like a man not like a cissy.

If you cant suppress your urge for action then look for a another cissy khasi.

Or else wait until Dr. Sohail comes to place or seek advise thru this board for your khasi

feelings.

Be warned.

Re: # 392

Khasi Uncle HP,

It depends.

Be a Khasi forever. Khasi Uncle murdabad.

#391,

``I am heterosexual``

I understand and have sympathy for your desires and wishes to change your current condition. However, you must understand that this late in your life, not every thing can be undone by merely wishing for it.

A khasi will always remain a khasi...

Re: # 390

Khasi Uncle HP,

Nothing of Gujju-Jinnah type gay sentiments. A Venutian like can understand them.

I am heterosexual but not a Khasi like you.

Your Khasi mentality must be kept to yourself.

#386 by VRV

``Your last para summarises my understaning of you. That`s why I feel good for you``

Khasi Sentiments...bordering on gay camaraderie...

Why is that nice people are always simplistic too.

Arjun_M,

I am impressed by your exemplary mominocity in the countless hours of research and selfless effort that you have expended in the service of Ummahdom. Exposing the faults of our leaders and the sad state of our society is the first task every momin - and, sir, you are first among the suntanned ones. :) We are all indebted to you for your courageous sincerity and uncompromising jihad against the enemies of the true faith. May I suggest that you now move up to the next level of your endeavors - from research to rectification? May Allah bless you with 72 Draupattis in the hereafter.

Re: # 358

Zeemax sahib:

``I should refer you to a good social-scientist as to how free you are. May I suggest Masadi?``

You certainly have a sense of humor and I like this side of yours. Please do reflect it more in your postings.

All the best.

Anil

#384, Monsieur Tahmed,
Il n`ya pas raison d`avoir un tete a la tete avec votre femme pour chercher les autres femmes avec les yeux seulement. Les yeux sont innocents. C`est le coeur qui est mechant.

Re: # 383

Ahmedbhai,

Your last para summarises my understaning of you. That`s why I feel good for you......Love and Peace.

#383, Tahmed32 {``Those who dont are like arjun and echoboom. Arjun sits at one end of the boat and yells ``ha! ha! there is a leak at the other end of the boat where Paki is sitting. Paki`s end of the boat is going to go under.`` ``}

Sir,
All I want to know is where is Captain Bligh when all this nonsense goes on?

Salim#382 c`est bien. mais ma femme dire - assayez vous, monsieur!! vous nait pas allez pour cherchez les femme!!.

VRV #373 Thanks for the welcome, and likewise.

I have not followed the discussions you refer to, and was simply commenting on your strange statement that Pakistanis have this myth that 1971 was a victory for Pakistan.

On the broader question of ``sides`` - I think there are only two sides in the world today. Those who understand that times and changed and we are now all on the same boat, and those who dont.

Those who dont are like arjun and echoboom. Arjun sits at one end of the boat and yells ``ha! ha! there is a leak at the other end of the boat where Paki is sitting. Paki`s end of the boat is going to go under.``

Echoboom sits at the other end and yells ``oye kutto, yeh dekho meraa chacha maulana dhamkana!!``

Put another way, we are no longer the macaca tribe vs the ape-man tribe vs the neanderthal tribe vs the Curious George monkey tribe. We are all one tribe. The arjuns and the echobooms dont get it. Arjun may be closer to reality than echoboom - but he still doesnt get the bigger picture. But that doesnt mean this isnt a global reality today.

#380 Tahmed32 {``Vive l`difference. :-) ``}

Tahmed Sahib,
Let`s agree to agree. Vive le difference et allons, nous cherchons les femmes. :)

This duel buetween Zeemax and Saimasha is descending to....Zee thinks that he has steel balls (Ref # 356) but he shud know that Saima has steel boobs (Ref# 376).

Which pair bigger in size? ...... the bigger the powerful.....

Let`s accept that women too have their opinions to express & share and disagree. They are not sex toys.......please suppress your back-home mentality Zeehadi.

#368 Salim you write ``Let`s recognize that we are on different sides on many issues and let`s resolve to interact in a polite and respectful manner. ``

To that I most readily agree. As to our differences of viewpoints on certain issues: Vive l`difference. :-)

#375 by Khasi_Null

Btw, how is your alter ego Khasi_shark doing these days? I kind miss that khasi....Pleas post as Khasi_shark....

#374 {``Don`t delude yourself.``}

Delusion is being reincarnated with a second chance and behaving just like the first time and expecting more favorable results.

AlephNull, 375

``make public spectacles of themselves``

Obliged to do that in addition to ``impotent thrests`` to human wastes like you and arjun. And, yes, you are a hate-monger. Now, I`m off for the weekend. Will respond in due time appropriately based on your response. Meanwhile, go swim with arjun in the river of loathe and hatred.

#375 by KhasiNull

This sounds more like Sadna outburst... Are you planning a sex change operation?.. Do you plan to visit Thailand in the near future?

I am kind of begining to feel that I turned a lowlife in to a toad....

It amuses me to see Paki men of mature years completely lose their self-control, descend into foul-mouthed incoherence, fish out their favourite prostheses, issue impotent threats, and in general make public spectacles of themselves. They will then blame their meltdowns on ‘hatemongers’ like arjun and on the ‘Indian Propaganda Machine’; ask for those who they claimed provoked their hilarious outbursts, to be banned or expelled from the site, or in other ways “put in their place”, etc. etc. They will never face up to their own lack of serenity.

Re: # 356

Don`t delude yourself.

Re: # 364

Ahmedbhai,

It`s nice to see you back.

What I was saying is based on what I read in various articles in mainstream English newspapers of Pakistan. I didnt invent anything here. It is repeated during every anniversary of Bangladesh independence. I wish I could travel in Pakistan to have a rounded view of your country. BTW, I was reading your newspapers since 1998.

I was online when this happened. As soon as this photo was published all his posts were wiped off, and account was blocked. To wipe out the evidence of the soothsayers (who said about the blocking a few minutes ago), chowk removed the prophetic words of these three guys. It`s very impulsive on part of chowk. That was the precise point.... very specific.

We have professional hate-mongers on both sides. My sonofabitch is bad you sonofacbitch is good? We need spice for this site and for chowk to live up to its self-proclamation of being `sooo active` u should have people like Arjun. However the more objectionable msgs should go off, whosoever`s they are.

Hope You and Salimbhai would be around without bickering....:))

In the meanwhile, I would see how you guys go here even after Zeemax`s recommendartions were into effect....

HP, 371

``this person was probably expressing himself when he mentioned loathing Pakistan.``

No doubt about it. That`s why I said ``Arjun is not the only Indian at this site who loathes Pakistan. So do you, and a few of your ilk.``

These hate-mongers need to be put in place. You are doing a great job of that. I tried that on Arjun pointing to him what his boss Mr. Tunku V. said about him, but Chowk Staff keeps deleting my those posts.

#367 by godot on August 25, 2006 7:19am PT
“You read him correctly, genius you.”

An appropriate response but as usual you are very polite and civil to this person who was probably expressing himself when he mentioned loathing Pakistan.

These guys are delusional. They have gotten it in their thick skull that if somehow they can post hateful messages on this site where barely 50 Pakistani visit regularly, they will change the whole Indian Pakistan relations.

I like this comment; “repeatedly hitting Pakistanis over the head with a two-by-four” I have been practicing this with lots of success. Since these guys think being polite is sort of a weakness, the use of the flowery language works the best. This khasi_null used to post maybe ten or twenty hateful posts every week now he is down to perhaps one a month. So my strategy to whack a mole whenever he/she raises the ugly head worked better and I will continue to use that. He and his ilk so richly deserve that.

#349, Same difference - tp or your plagiarized articles.

#348, Saminasha,
When elephants are engaged in serious posturing, it is advisable that the dung beetle wait patiently for its food.

Mr. Tahmed32 #337,

I welcome the frank discussion of your perception of flaws in my personality. Our disagreements over the repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakistanis in BD and the struggle of Hezbollah against Israeli occupation are genuine. What is not rational is the constant personal attack and rebuttal cycle. I aim to put an end to this meaningless iteration of insults, psychoanalyses, and victimization. Having been your friend and supporter, it must have been a substantial and personal insult that caused me to turn against you in a personal way. I regret the ensuing rebuttal and unnecessary charges of abuse and hypocrisy. While my less than polite interaction with others may be a source of anguish for you, your unbalanced, immoral, and rather hypocritical treatment of the so-called ``Biharis`` stranded in BD is a source of anger for me.

Of course, you should not expect me to consider you the moral weathervane of chowk and I shouldn`t force you to have compassion for all of your fellow human beings - regardless of race, creed, color, language, or ethnicity. It may surprise you, but I have noticed your use of profanity, rarely but noticeably, against several other interactors. Meanwhile, as you have accurately pointed out, I am guilty of expressing ethnic, religious, and racially-oriented slurs. While you have been selective in restricting your profanity to just males, I, on the other hand, have been an equal opportunity abuser. When responding to insults and retaliating against abuse, I tend to ignore the sex of the offender.

Let`s recognize that we are on different sides on many issues and let`s resolve to interact in a polite and respectful manner. I look forward to a mutual resolve to enhance both the tone and substance of our discussions. Thank you for your response. Nous avons de la chance.

AlephNull, 366

``Arjun, if I’ve read him right, loathes Pakistan``

You read him correctly, genius you.

Arjun is not the only Indian at this site who loathes Pakistan. So do you, and a few of your ilk. Chowk, in its wisdom, has let this site become a hate-site. People like you and Arjun are the reason for it. Yeah, that’s right, we don’t have enough hatred and loathing in this world, so we need more. Tell Arjun to keep doing the “good” work.

tahmed #364

{{arjun spends a lot of time scouring the internet trying to find something negative about pakistan - … his hatred for pakistan and muslims is obvious in his posts, and thus brings his painstaking efforts - which if differently presented would get more serious attention - to nothing}}

Arjun, if I’ve read him right, loathes Pakistan, has no use for Islam (or for that matter any other religion), but would not be automatically hostile towards individual Muslims.

But Arjun’s attitude towards Pakistan, Islam, Muslims etc., is absolutely irrelevant to question whether what he writes (or cuts-and-pastes, or links) is true or false. Substantive assertions ought to stand or fall on their own merits.

Nor does Arjun have any trouble getting through to the vast majority of Indians. He would probably use a different tack with Americans – he’d know exactly which buttons to press. I’d never underestimate his effectiveness in getting his message across.

It is also doubtful that a more gentle soft-spoken nuanced understated or roundabout approach would have any better chance of getting through to Pakistanis. It has been tried – on Chowk and elsewhere – with poor results. The brutal direct approach - repeatedly hitting Pakistanis over the head with a two-by-four - remains the method of choice.

Behram #347 Thanks for your kind words. I do look forward to seeing the positive side of Salim on chowk - since he may have some things he needs to consider, he is certainly not lacking in intelligence, and I hope he will consider my comments in the spirit they were given (i.e. as friendly advice). This is an example, I think of the ``Johari Window`` which you may have come across - which is a model for human interaction, and distinguishes between four ``window panes`` (or categories) to this interaction:

1. Open - what we know of ourselves, and what others know of us.
2. Hidden - what we know of ourselves, but what others do not know of us.
3. Blind - what we dont know of ourselves, but what others know of us.
4. Unknown - what neither we nor others know of ourselves.


I think the internet discussion boards like chowk have given a new meaning to this window. My comments to Salim I think fall in category 3. And it is in the same spirit that I made those comments.

As for the Bihari issues - what you write is a broader issue (i.e. not just biharis in bangladesh wishing to come to pakistan, but MQM politics within Pakistan). MQM did indeed play a negative role in the 1980`s by promoting ethnic divisions in the country - and ultimately hurt the karachiites more than anyone else given the deterioration in law and order that it contributed to. Karachi used to be the pride of Pakistan once - when it was seen as a cosmopolitan city.

VRV #354 you write .``The mythology in Pakistan was that Pakistan won the war in Dhaka.``.

are you serious or just trying to add a new angle to anti-Pakistan propaganda? if you are serious, then you have to be a complete nut because no one in pakistan has ever even tried to claim victory in Dhaka. this is the first time, 35 years after the event, that i am even hearing of such a thing!! and i know a bit more about pakistan than you do, i can say for sure!! it is hard to have a serious discussion on chowk given this attitude.

arjun spends a lot of time scouring the internet trying to find something negative about pakistan - while a lot of what he writes is unfortunately true for some people in pakistan, it is certainly not the whole truth. his hatred for pakistan and muslims is obvious in his posts, and thus brings his painstaking efforts - which if differently presented would get more serious attention - to nothing

#361 by harish_hyd

I explained why I did what I did in many posts as well as a UP thread. Please read the Chowk anniversary thread.

I think I did succed in improving the overall language standard through a barrage of the worst possible abuse. That opened quite a few eyes.

#360 by VRV

I will ignore the rest of your post but re saminasha, why do you think she`s inviting me to UP? Do you need three guesses?

As for your request to delete your account, the same is forwarded herewith to chowk-staff with a strong personal recommendation.

#355 by zeemax

Yep it worked. Certainly got rid of a lot of macacas and some macaca-wannabes for sure.

Its not about whether it worked. It is about the fact that you were obviously not practicing what you were preaching in #296. And the way you went berserk at those unfortunate interactors I mentioned in my post, it is hard to make out who the Macaca is.