Khalid Sohail August 22, 2006
#289 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on August 24, 2006 12:24:05 pm
Friends,
While I may disagree with Arjun_m on several issues, I do support his right to be heard. Arjun is consistent in his viewpoints and has performed priceless service to the Paki establishment in identifying what ails Pakistan. There are management consultants who will tell you basically the same thing and charge the GoP millions, while Arjun provides similar results as a labor of love. The only difference is that Arjun never sees any silver lining and does not sugarcoat his prescriptions. :) Yes, bring him back.
While I may disagree with Arjun_m on several issues, I do support his right to be heard. Arjun is consistent in his viewpoints and has performed priceless service to the Paki establishment in identifying what ails Pakistan. There are management consultants who will tell you basically the same thing and charge the GoP millions, while Arjun provides similar results as a labor of love. The only difference is that Arjun never sees any silver lining and does not sugarcoat his prescriptions. :) Yes, bring him back.
#288 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 12:11:15 pm
#285 by Raw_Dust
Yes that`s perhaps true. It is just quite unfathomable how a mortal could perceive so much truth in such a short time, which endures till this day just as it was dawned yesterday.
Divinely inspired may be correct. That is the answer to sattar2`s question.
Yes that`s perhaps true. It is just quite unfathomable how a mortal could perceive so much truth in such a short time, which endures till this day just as it was dawned yesterday.
Divinely inspired may be correct. That is the answer to sattar2`s question.
#286 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 12:06:04 pm
#282 by VRV
VRV, for comparison between HP and Arjun_M, just pull out the posts of each since the last one month, two months, three months, one year and so forth ... your choice.
C`mon do it ... and post these on you iLog for judgement of Chowkies.
Thanks.
VRV, for comparison between HP and Arjun_M, just pull out the posts of each since the last one month, two months, three months, one year and so forth ... your choice.
C`mon do it ... and post these on you iLog for judgement of Chowkies.
Thanks.
#287 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 12:08:54 pm
Re: # 286
Zee,
Forget about this.
When would you update your blogspot? I saw yours on blogspot.com
Zee,
Forget about this.
When would you update your blogspot? I saw yours on blogspot.com
#285 Posted by Raw_Dust on August 24, 2006 12:02:30 pm
sattar2:
zeemax can well take care of his argument on his own but i would like to add that saying mohammad is supernatural seems to be more metaphorical than literal. It can be taken as a person having a ``divine touch`` or ``touched by God`` or someone who is ``divinely inspired`` when he says what he says. In case of Mohammad, that was Koran.
zeemax can well take care of his argument on his own but i would like to add that saying mohammad is supernatural seems to be more metaphorical than literal. It can be taken as a person having a ``divine touch`` or ``touched by God`` or someone who is ``divinely inspired`` when he says what he says. In case of Mohammad, that was Koran.
#283 Posted by sattar2 on August 24, 2006 11:58:19 am
Zeemax (#268),
Your statement is somewhat perplexing.
You agree that Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, maintained being a mere mortal. But was he indeed a mere mortal? Or was he faking being a mere mortal?
If he was faking being a mere mortal, that makes for dishonesty. Doesn’t it?
If he was indeed a mere mortal, like he insisted, why would you negate him and declare him supernatural?
I am ok with his last sermon and forgiving. But do put some thought into what you write.
++++++++++
BTW, feel free to enlighten us on punishment of apostasy in Islam … as you’d like to see implemented in “Nizam-e-Mustafa”. You may also want to check with Urstruly for his views.
#281 Posted by HP on August 24, 2006 11:55:17 am
#269 by VRV
I don’t know why you continue to seethe. We need to move forward there will be more issues in future. However, I do agree that in both India and Pakistan often the sense of humor is too crude for some to handle and the naming of the restaurant showed that crudeness…
I don’t know why you continue to seethe. We need to move forward there will be more issues in future. However, I do agree that in both India and Pakistan often the sense of humor is too crude for some to handle and the naming of the restaurant showed that crudeness…
#284 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 12:00:37 pm
Re: # 281
HP lets see how serious the discussion goes. I saw how you three uncorked the champagne when his name was shown as deleted?
HP lets see how serious the discussion goes. I saw how you three uncorked the champagne when his name was shown as deleted?
#280 Posted by Raw_Dust on August 24, 2006 11:54:59 am
chowk-staff:
would you please unban arjun_m? Thanks.
would you please unban arjun_m? Thanks.
#279 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:54:27 am
#275 by VRV
No VRV, not true. This is a site for decent interaction. That`s all. But let`s not dwell on it.
Thanks.
No VRV, not true. This is a site for decent interaction. That`s all. But let`s not dwell on it.
Thanks.
#282 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 11:57:37 am
Re: # 279
Zee,
Lets see how fair this is? Khasi Uncle is making site a filthy place. Can it be worse than that?
A decent discussion?
When he`s in good mood, it`s good. When he`s in foul mood, he sc$*@s the board. Is it right on Khasi Uncle?
Zee,
Lets see how fair this is? Khasi Uncle is making site a filthy place. Can it be worse than that?
A decent discussion?
When he`s in good mood, it`s good. When he`s in foul mood, he sc$*@s the board. Is it right on Khasi Uncle?
#278 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:51:54 am
Thanks Chow-Staff. Please keep it up. You can see this is a very engaging discussion, just as Chowk deserves, and some people like Arjun_M had been messing it up. I hope he has been kicked out for good with no hope of hacking Chowk again.
I salute your vigilance.
I salute your vigilance.
#277 Posted by zeemax on August 24, 2006 11:48:51 am
My condolences to tahmed32 ... R.I.P to his best friend.
#275 Posted by VRV on August 24, 2006 11:47:14 am
Zeehadi, Echo and Khasi Uncle
would remian here bcoz this is your site.
Fair on you Chowk Editors!
would remian here bcoz this is your site.
Fair on you Chowk Editors!
#274 Posted by Raw_Dust on August 24, 2006 11:47:14 am
GT:
Thanks for that wrap up. I just read it. imo, one way to look at suicide bombers is to look at their core beliefs in which they were brought up (not the indoctrination that happens once you volunteer).
Is it possible that the reflex of bombing among poor and brought up as muslims has something to do with the fundamental disconnect between their latent core beliefs and the reality they wake up to everyday? If one were to believe that Allah`s will literally ordains every second and every thing to come into BEING then how come this perceived humiliation and subjugation of ``muslim world`` by the deniers of Allah is Willed by the very same Allah? Why Allah who demands total submission and in return offer rewards for the faithful seems to pay no heed to his own people?
This disconnect is never articulated but i figure it can be termed as the borderline crisis of faith issue. It seems, it has very little to do with dispossession or poverty and more to do with the cosmology that a palestinian in a refugee camp or a second generation Brit Pakistani with sufficient means linving in the west holds dear which is one and the same.
Thanks for that wrap up. I just read it. imo, one way to look at suicide bombers is to look at their core beliefs in which they were brought up (not the indoctrination that happens once you volunteer).
Is it possible that the reflex of bombing among poor and brought up as muslims has something to do with the fundamental disconnect between their latent core beliefs and the reality they wake up to everyday? If one were to believe that Allah`s will literally ordains every second and every thing to come into BEING then how come this perceived humiliation and subjugation of ``muslim world`` by the deniers of Allah is Willed by the very same Allah? Why Allah who demands total submission and in return offer rewards for the faithful seems to pay no heed to his own people?
This disconnect is never articulated but i figure it can be termed as the borderline crisis of faith issue. It seems, it has very little to do with dispossession or poverty and more to do with the cosmology that a palestinian in a refugee camp or a second generation Brit Pakistani with sufficient means linving in the west holds dear which is one and the same.
#300 Posted by GT on August 24, 2006 12:48:16 pm
Re: # 274 by Raw_Dust
Raw,
You do not want me to answer that, right? It is simply beyond my ken and you know it. You take the first shot and let me listen.
Raw,
You do not want me to answer that, right? It is simply beyond my ken and you know it. You take the first shot and let me listen.
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