Psychology of Suicide ’Bombers’

#348, Saminasha,
When elephants are engaged in serious posturing, it is advisable that the dung beetle wait patiently for its food.

Mr. Tahmed32 #337,

I welcome the frank discussion of your perception of flaws in my personality. Our disagreements over the repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakistanis in BD and the struggle of Hezbollah against Israeli occupation are genuine. What is not rational is the constant personal attack and rebuttal cycle. I aim to put an end to this meaningless iteration of insults, psychoanalyses, and victimization. Having been your friend and supporter, it must have been a substantial and personal insult that caused me to turn against you in a personal way. I regret the ensuing rebuttal and unnecessary charges of abuse and hypocrisy. While my less than polite interaction with others may be a source of anguish for you, your unbalanced, immoral, and rather hypocritical treatment of the so-called ``Biharis`` stranded in BD is a source of anger for me.

Of course, you should not expect me to consider you the moral weathervane of chowk and I shouldn`t force you to have compassion for all of your fellow human beings - regardless of race, creed, color, language, or ethnicity. It may surprise you, but I have noticed your use of profanity, rarely but noticeably, against several other interactors. Meanwhile, as you have accurately pointed out, I am guilty of expressing ethnic, religious, and racially-oriented slurs. While you have been selective in restricting your profanity to just males, I, on the other hand, have been an equal opportunity abuser. When responding to insults and retaliating against abuse, I tend to ignore the sex of the offender.

Let`s recognize that we are on different sides on many issues and let`s resolve to interact in a polite and respectful manner. I look forward to a mutual resolve to enhance both the tone and substance of our discussions. Thank you for your response. Nous avons de la chance.

AlephNull, 366

``Arjun, if I’ve read him right, loathes Pakistan``

You read him correctly, genius you.

Arjun is not the only Indian at this site who loathes Pakistan. So do you, and a few of your ilk. Chowk, in its wisdom, has let this site become a hate-site. People like you and Arjun are the reason for it. Yeah, that’s right, we don’t have enough hatred and loathing in this world, so we need more. Tell Arjun to keep doing the “good” work.

tahmed #364

{{arjun spends a lot of time scouring the internet trying to find something negative about pakistan - … his hatred for pakistan and muslims is obvious in his posts, and thus brings his painstaking efforts - which if differently presented would get more serious attention - to nothing}}

Arjun, if I’ve read him right, loathes Pakistan, has no use for Islam (or for that matter any other religion), but would not be automatically hostile towards individual Muslims.

But Arjun’s attitude towards Pakistan, Islam, Muslims etc., is absolutely irrelevant to question whether what he writes (or cuts-and-pastes, or links) is true or false. Substantive assertions ought to stand or fall on their own merits.

Nor does Arjun have any trouble getting through to the vast majority of Indians. He would probably use a different tack with Americans – he’d know exactly which buttons to press. I’d never underestimate his effectiveness in getting his message across.

It is also doubtful that a more gentle soft-spoken nuanced understated or roundabout approach would have any better chance of getting through to Pakistanis. It has been tried – on Chowk and elsewhere – with poor results. The brutal direct approach - repeatedly hitting Pakistanis over the head with a two-by-four - remains the method of choice.

Behram #347 Thanks for your kind words. I do look forward to seeing the positive side of Salim on chowk - since he may have some things he needs to consider, he is certainly not lacking in intelligence, and I hope he will consider my comments in the spirit they were given (i.e. as friendly advice). This is an example, I think of the ``Johari Window`` which you may have come across - which is a model for human interaction, and distinguishes between four ``window panes`` (or categories) to this interaction:

1. Open - what we know of ourselves, and what others know of us.
2. Hidden - what we know of ourselves, but what others do not know of us.
3. Blind - what we dont know of ourselves, but what others know of us.
4. Unknown - what neither we nor others know of ourselves.


I think the internet discussion boards like chowk have given a new meaning to this window. My comments to Salim I think fall in category 3. And it is in the same spirit that I made those comments.

As for the Bihari issues - what you write is a broader issue (i.e. not just biharis in bangladesh wishing to come to pakistan, but MQM politics within Pakistan). MQM did indeed play a negative role in the 1980`s by promoting ethnic divisions in the country - and ultimately hurt the karachiites more than anyone else given the deterioration in law and order that it contributed to. Karachi used to be the pride of Pakistan once - when it was seen as a cosmopolitan city.

VRV #354 you write .``The mythology in Pakistan was that Pakistan won the war in Dhaka.``.

are you serious or just trying to add a new angle to anti-Pakistan propaganda? if you are serious, then you have to be a complete nut because no one in pakistan has ever even tried to claim victory in Dhaka. this is the first time, 35 years after the event, that i am even hearing of such a thing!! and i know a bit more about pakistan than you do, i can say for sure!! it is hard to have a serious discussion on chowk given this attitude.

arjun spends a lot of time scouring the internet trying to find something negative about pakistan - while a lot of what he writes is unfortunately true for some people in pakistan, it is certainly not the whole truth. his hatred for pakistan and muslims is obvious in his posts, and thus brings his painstaking efforts - which if differently presented would get more serious attention - to nothing

Re: # 364

Ahmedbhai,

It`s nice to see you back.

What I was saying is based on what I read in various articles in mainstream English newspapers of Pakistan. I didnt invent anything here. It is repeated during every anniversary of Bangladesh independence. I wish I could travel in Pakistan to have a rounded view of your country. BTW, I was reading your newspapers since 1998.

I was online when this happened. As soon as this photo was published all his posts were wiped off, and account was blocked. To wipe out the evidence of the soothsayers (who said about the blocking a few minutes ago), chowk removed the prophetic words of these three guys. It`s very impulsive on part of chowk. That was the precise point.... very specific.

We have professional hate-mongers on both sides. My sonofabitch is bad you sonofacbitch is good? We need spice for this site and for chowk to live up to its self-proclamation of being `sooo active` u should have people like Arjun. However the more objectionable msgs should go off, whosoever`s they are.

Hope You and Salimbhai would be around without bickering....:))

In the meanwhile, I would see how you guys go here even after Zeemax`s recommendartions were into effect....

#361 by harish_hyd

I explained why I did what I did in many posts as well as a UP thread. Please read the Chowk anniversary thread.

I think I did succed in improving the overall language standard through a barrage of the worst possible abuse. That opened quite a few eyes.

#360 by VRV

I will ignore the rest of your post but re saminasha, why do you think she`s inviting me to UP? Do you need three guesses?

As for your request to delete your account, the same is forwarded herewith to chowk-staff with a strong personal recommendation.

#355 by zeemax

Yep it worked. Certainly got rid of a lot of macacas and some macaca-wannabes for sure.

Its not about whether it worked. It is about the fact that you were obviously not practicing what you were preaching in #296. And the way you went berserk at those unfortunate interactors I mentioned in my post, it is hard to make out who the Macaca is.

#354 by VRV

Ignorance knows no bounds.

Of-course you are not aware that not only that photo but the entire recorded ceremony was broadcast on PTV for weeks on end.

So you can stop crying for _M(acaca), or you can follow him to wherever he has been banished.

Re: # 359

Zee,

It looks like you had a good time last night?

You are also giving clear-cut replies as if you`re running this site?

Why you guys are happy about this guy`s banishment?

>>>#350 by saminasha2

Okay. Don`t forget to bring your morning-after pill (just approved by FDA)<<<<

What kinda person you are?


As for me leaving this site...... well, if this site is run by likes of you, yes I would.... Thanks.

Pl ask them to delete my name and posts (all).

#334 by anil

Thus 5 billion people on this Earth who do not believe are not free ...

I should refer you to a good social-scientist as to how free you are. May I suggest Masadi?

Re: # 358

Zeemax sahib:

``I should refer you to a good social-scientist as to how free you are. May I suggest Masadi?``

You certainly have a sense of humor and I like this side of yours. Please do reflect it more in your postings.

All the best.

Anil

What`s all this fuss about Arjun_M(acaca) getting banned? He is not banned. He`s swinging from branch to branch on UP. It`s just his fake ID that got macacafied.

#350 by saminasha2

Okay. Don`t forget to bring your morning-after pill (just approved by FDA).