Psychology of Suicide ’Bombers’

Re: # 23, urstruly:
You are stuck in a rut urstruly.

Yes at one time it worked. But the world has changed and now the Muslims are neither most educated nor most powerful.

They have been dumb enough to surrender their individuality to hereditary kings and dictators who do the bidding of their foreign protectors. Because that allows them to heave the Swiss accounts.

#32 Khasi

Here is the complete statement...dont start showing your khasi habits here...

``Per your analysis, every soldier who aspires to die in a war wishes to commit suicide.
How would you differentiate in a state paid soldier and a volunteer soldier based on your analysis, considering that they both know they will most likely die in a war? ``

why was khamkhwa banned and then his other login allowed to post as khalid sohail?

{``Being a peace-loving humanist I value life and do not support violent death, whether in the form of suicide or homicide....Whether they are ‘suicide bombers’ of the Muslim world who follow the path of Osama or the soldiers of the Christian world who follow the orders of Bush and Blair, all of them have embraced violence and are willing to kill innocent civilians for their nationalistic and religious ideologies and continue to justify violence as a means to an end. ``}

Sohail Sahib,
A very deep and thorough analysis that is both informative and objective. Like you, I share the ``peace-loving humanist`` values and am saddened by mankind`s resolve to continue our barbaric behavior with thinly-disguised covers of ``civilized behavior, international norms, acceptable modes of homicide, martyrdom, self-determination, human rights, and various interpretations of The Geneva Convention.``

Tragically, I have reached the conclusion that human beings naturally love to RPP (rape, pillage, and plunder) and now we have added torture, sadism, murder, and terror to the standard ancient rituals. We will find any excuse to split into sides or ``teams`` to commit violence and as a result enjoy raping, pillaging, plundering, torturing, murdering, and terrorizing. Of course, we recognize that somehow all these things are wrong and so we have accumulated several ``benign`` concepts to justify our otherwise horrid pleasures. We now do it for ``freedom, liberty, self-defense, God, goddesses, democracy, faith, religion, revenge, land, birth rights, NATO, UN, AlKayda, and the Holocaust.`` Is it any wonder that we find various adversarial roles to enjoy our passion for violence?

Jew/Gentile
White/Black
Christian/Muslim
Muslim/Hindu
Upper Caste/Lower Caste
Crusader/Jihadist
Shia/Sunni
Catholic/Protestant
Communist/Capitalist
Lions/Christians
Lions/Bears
Cowboys/Redskins
Israeli/Palestinian
Arab/Ajam
Aryan/Dravidian
England/Pakistan
US-UK-Israel/ROW (Rest of World, except India)

It`s bad enough to commit violence. It is a real shame when we place rules to kill by and then invoke righteousness to distinguish our killing from their killing - as if there is an honorable way to murder and a dishonorable one. Shame, shame, shame.

inquirer # 32 ``A soldier fights for a cause against other opposing soldiers preserving himself at every instant. No doubt he knows he can be had.``

By your own very definition, the line between suicide bomber and soldier has blurred in the 20th century. Thanks to the air power and missile technology, you no longer have to come face to face with the enemy soldier in a defined battle field. In fact, enemy`s country IS the battlefield. 30 million Russian civilians (not soldiers) died during WWII. The German city of Dresden was fire bombed to oblivion by allied forces. Baghdad was ``shock and awed`` by uniformed soldiers who knew fully well that innocent civilians lived there.

An interesting tid bit. Of the 1500 Lebanese who died during the recent war, 1200 were civilians. Ironically, of the 160 Israelis who died in the same war, 120 were soldiers. By that standard, Hezbollah comes across as more of the old fashioned ethical soldier type of your definition than the uniformed and trained Israeli army.

Re: # 34,HP:
You DO NEED explanations!

Your statement regarding the quoted paragraph is a non sequitur. No where has Sohail said in the quoted paragraph that a soldier wants to die. As a matter of fact no soldier wants to die.

All suiciders, Islamic, Jihadic or otherwise are cowards under delusion but a soldier preserves himself against all odds knowing full well that he could be killed at any instant.

HE DOES NOT WANT TO DIE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

Re: # 34

In most democratic armies soldiers are volunteers, whether paid by the state or not. People become soldiers for many reasons, not just to die. Even in battle a soldier in an army seeks to kill his opponents and stay alive, unless there is no other alternative.

A suicide bomber goes into action to commit suicide. There is no retreat or negotiation or alternative.

Re: # 26
[...I wonder why the Baasis have climbed down from ``thousand year war`` to begging for kashmir then????...]

pakis have already given up on kashmir... they are actually begging khasis to save them from the joos... from ``death by thousand cuts`` to ``save us from joos``... the transformation has been dramatic... all it took was a few daisy cutters...

But the bigger question is: why are pakis trying to be more arab than arabs themselves?... why are pakis blowing themselves up for the arab ``cause``?... do arabs ever care about a paki ``cause``?...

Re: # 37, Malik99:
But the bombers of Dresden, Bagdad or Lebanon were NOT suiciders!!!!
CLEAR?

Guys,

Take it easy. The question is that of becomming a martyr. Remember Jesus Christ, HE WANTED TO DIE to save others. HE DIED FOR A CAUSE. In that, suicide bombers are the same: they WANT to die for a cause. Now they kill too. They do so because they believe that; (a) the ones they kill are evil or help perpetuate evil; AND/OR (b) by killing a few they help bring about greater good to a larger set of people. That is all there is to it. This phenomenon is as old as history as we know it. Let us not pretend that it is something new because CNN says so.

inquirer #41 - ``But the bombers of Dresden, Bagdad or Lebanon were NOT suiciders!!!!
CLEAR?``

So you are suggesting that all those thousands of civilians who died in dresden, baghdad, and lebanon as a result of bombs thrown at them from air, died happily knowing that at least their death was not the result of a suicide bombing?

Essentially you are differentiating between the deliberate killing of civilians via, say, carpet bombing and deliberate killing of civilians via suicide bombing.

Re: # 43, Malik99:
You are getting confused our point was not about those who get killed due to military bombing or suicide bombing. We were concerned about the bombers. I only stated that there is no similarity between a bomber pilot and suicide bomber. Unless you like to obfuscate the issue as HP was deliberately doing.

Mohar 11 #40 {``pakis have already given up on kashmir... they are actually begging khasis to save them from the joos... from ``death by thousand cuts`` to ``save us from joos``... the transformation has been dramatic... all it took was a few daisy cutters...

But the bigger question is: why are pakis trying to be more arab than arabs themselves?... why are pakis blowing themselves up for the arab ``cause``?... do arabs ever care about a paki ``cause``?...``:}

Mohar Bhayya,
Because Hezbollah, who are after all Arabs, stole the ``1 momin = 10 kaffirs`` ratio from us Pakis, when the 3000 Hezbies beat the 30,000 Hebes unleashed on them. The 30,000 does not include the ones in the air or hiding in basements.
With the Hezboola courage and Paki nuke, momins can finally kick some ass.

Dr.Sohail
I find this statement in your article to be the most interesting.

`` Schopenhauer, the philosopher, once said that when horrors of life outweigh the horrors of death human beings commit suicide.``

The thought that the horrors of life are far worse than death can be induced subtly in most people. One man`s horror is another man`s opportunity. Potentially everyone is a suicide bomber. Even the folks who seem to have everything are prey to a certain hopelessness. Only a trigger is needed to heighten this sense of isolation and oppression and helplessness.

Politicians, gurus, priests are well versed in applying the triggers to a fertile field that will always exist.

GT #42, {``Remember Jesus Christ, HE WANTED TO DIE to save others. HE DIED FOR A CAUSE.``}

GT LOL - now I have heard it all - a Jewish suicide nailer. :)

malik99 #37 {``Of the 1500 Lebanese who died during the recent war, 1200 were civilians. Ironically, of the 160 Israelis who died in the same war, 120 were soldiers. By that standard, Hezbollah comes across as more of the old fashioned ethical soldier type of your definition than the uniformed and trained Israeli army.``}

Malik Sahib,
Touche - very good point. Sometimes, you have to look at the bottom line.