Postmortem of Israeli-Hezbollah War – What Next?

#46 I can zee top number zee, plenty of echos, and masala types in there.....can you point them out !

the hell with the israeli arab war. and the hell with the arab worshippers on chowk.

the real victims are the defenseless women from poor families in Pakistan - victims of the hadood ordinance. in favor of which the mullah apes were demonstrating in pakistan yesterday.

#44 by zeemax

That`s odd because #15 referred to #14 by zeemax just as #43 refers to #16 by zeemax. And you say it wasn`t addressed to anyone in particular?

Yaar Zee, why do you have to hide the fact that your #14 was in response to #12 by me which wasn`t addressed to anyone in particular? Where did I deny that #15 and #43 are in response to your posts?

Either my eyes are playing tricks, or you`re just a liar which may be a simpler explanation.

There is only one liar here Zee and it is NOT me. Look in the mirror.

#43 by harish_hyd

it was not specifically addressesd to anyone

That`s odd because #15 referred to #14 by zeemax just as #43 refers to #16 by zeemax. And you say it wasn`t addressed to anyone in particular?

Either my eyes are playing tricks, or you`re just a liar which may be a simpler explanation.

#16 by zeemax

But you can spare me in any discussion. I had previously believed you were capable of some honest discourse, but now I find you are just another macaca.

If you go back and read my post carefully, it was not specifically addressesd to anyone, yet like the macaca you`ve been accusing others of being, you had to jump in.

As for honest discourse, it is just not possible with someone who refuses to believe that Muslims can be in the wrong. So thanks for taking the trouble, but both of us now know it is just not possible.

BTW zeemax, if I were you I would keep my ignorance to my self. Your #39 shows your lack of reading comprehension, and a bookish knowledge but lacks a deeper understanding, has facts but betrays an understanding of events.
So Zeemax, please stop before you make a fool of yourself even more.

My final words to you.

khuda hafiz Walter mitty, or would you prefer Allah hafiz!

Re: # 39
thank you walter mitty for your supposed dismantling ...now please read what you posted and what I said once more

I said ``afterall indirect funding was made available from the saudis``
you said ``Saudi funds after May 1998 were limited to BOP support and Oil facility``

I guess you think all of us to be ignorant little runts. But I digress, you are the master of it all. So please tell me what is the difference between what I said and what you wrote?

The rest of the post is riddled with similar innanities of a pimply teenager on the make.

khuda hafiz Walter mitty, or would you prefer Allah hafiz!

Re: # 39
thank you walter mitty for your supposed dismantling ...now please read what you posted and what I said once more

I said ``afterall indirect funding was made available from the saudis``
you said ``Saudi funds after May 1998 were [b][u]limited to BOP support and Oil facility[/b][/u]``

I guess you think all of us to be ignorant little runts. But I digress, you are the master of it all. So please tell me what is the difference between what I said and what you wrote?

The rest of the post is riddled with similar innanities of a pimply teenager on the make.

khuda hafiz Walter mitty, or would you prefer Allah hafiz!

Now, let`s proceed to dismantle the she-macaca (hereafter referred to as S/MC) arguments one-by-one:

1) In the middle east you will have the sunni bomb of pakistan (afterall indirect funding was made available from the saudis).

Though S/Mc has not given any references, it is public knowledge that Saudi funds after May 1998 were limited to BOP support and Oil facility. Of-course the S/Mc would not know about the Korean connection at all and how Pak suddenly got long-range missiles, the AQ Khan network, the Chinese connection and all the rest. Saudia, Sunni connection is no more than simplistic BS.

2) ... and the shia bomb of iran.

Against whom? the Sunni-bomb wallas?

3) For the foreseeable future the shias and sunni`s will perform the familiar playground game of seeing whose is bigger ...

So that was indeed the contention of (2) i.e. ``whose is bigger`` (of-course S/Mc means the bomb, not the phallus ...). So the whole game is about whether the Sunni bomb is bigger or the Shia bomb is bigger. It has nothing of-course to do with Pakistan/India conflict, or the Iran/USA/Israel conflict. Just ``whose is bigger``.

4)...the west will watch from the sidelines, till such time as they see fit.

Just as USA is watching from the sidelines in Iraq and got 3,000+ soldiers killed by stray firing in the air while watching from the sidelines.

5) Its a familiar game, it was played out in the first quarter of the last century when after a wait of some 100 years they dismembered the Caliphate and the turks.

The period from the year 1299 to 1923 equals 100 years. Yes! Believe it or not. ``They`` (assuming the west) waited for a full 100 years before `dismembering` the Ottoman Empire. Other minor details are irrelevant like the Ottomans may still be there if they hadn`t sided with the ``Central Powers`` i.e. Austria-Hungary and the German Kaiser against the Allied Powers of France, Russia, U.K and Italy in the first war. Besides, isn`t Austria / Hungary/ Germany included in `they` meaning `west`? Perhaps not because `they` who dismembered the Ottomans was some other kind of West.

6) Israel, will continue as before. They have given the Hizb a propaganda victory, they have a buffer zone ...

Right. That is exactly why CNN is reporting today that sixty-three percent of Israelis want Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to resign in a sharp public rebuke over his handling of the war.

7) Israel is safe. The Hizb and the palestinians can whoop with joy at their pyrrhic victory, while Israel continues.

Yessss. That`s why they want to kick out Olmert. In sheer joy.

8) The future was there between 1910 and 1920. Its sort of like Back to the future for the Arabs and the middle east.

I suppose between 1910 and 1920 means the period of the end of the Ottoman Empire. So that`s going to be the future? End of something? But what? End of Arabs? Or end of Middle East? It has to be one of those two, or both, because there is no Muslim empire to end in going `back to the future` between 1910 and 1920.

I guess that`s the entire content of that post by S/Mc. If there`s anything I missed, I may be reminded. However, I do not need any explanations/rejoinders/rebuttals etc to this post. If on the other hand there is any factual inaccuracy, I stand to be corrected.

Now, the S/Mc may kindly depart to UP and indulge in snowballing there.

car or telescope?

It has been clear to some for long and now becoming clearer to others, that this cartload of he-macacas, she-macacas and khasi-macacas has nothing to contribute to any board but only jump in here to abuse Muslims and Pakistan irrespective of the issues under discussion, about which they have no knowledge to begin with.

It must be known to them that their tail-less red butts will be soundly kicked.

C.C. Other Chowk boards

{Mullah-run Iran`s have been justifying the repression of their own people on the basis of Israeli occupation of their land.} O! really. How much history do you know about mullah-run or mullah-not-run Iran? eh!

The Shah of Iran used excessive force to control the masses. Was that a mullahcratocracy?

{If that situation ceased to exist, they will have to invent a new excuse.} Of course, they would, just like any other repressive forces in the world, whether they are legitimate state actors or state within a state actors. Just look at Pakistan`s internal politics, and some would consider MQM as a state within a state, kinda like Hizbullahis, or the drug lords of Southern Columbia.

If the hearts of the Munafiques are blackened how can they discern Truth from
Falsehood or Islam from Kufr.

``Scholarship is nought if the heart is corroded``...ALLAMA IQBAL.

& here is what the Defeated ones are writing:

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UPI Analysis: Israel Lost and More to Come
11:46 Aug 20, `06 / 26 Av 5766
(IsraelNN.com) Israel lost on the military, political and diplomatic fronts in the war against Hizbullah terrorists, and things will get worse, according to a United Press International (UPI) report. It said that ``Nothing [Israel] tried worked. Air power failed.... The attempts to blockade Lebanon ...failed.... Most seriously, the ground assault into Lebanon failed.``




The report noted that media coverage of the damage from Israeli attacks on Hizbullah targets in Lebanon ``will further damage Israel`s image`` and that Israel`s strategy of putting up a separation barrier to halt Arab terror will not work. ``Hamas rockets can fly over a wall as easily as Hizbullah rockets have flown over Israel`s northern border,`` according to UPI.

INTERNATIONAL
08.26.2006 Saturday - ISTANBUL 04:41
Israel Army Makes First Official Confession Blunder



By Foreign News Desk
Friday, August 25, 2006

zaman.com

In Israel new claims, confessions and accusations occupy the agenda following the Israeli offensive in Lebanon that has been widely evaluated as a “failure.”

Israeli Chief of the General Staff Dan Halutz confessed that there were some mistakes made by the army during the attacks and Shin Bet Director Yuval Diskin defined the operation as a fiasco. Facing intense pressure to resign, Halutz wrote a letter to Israeli soldiers, and said, “The operation revealed that there were some logistical, operational and command mistakes, but also military achievements.” Halutz said all of these mistakes and achievements will be promptly investigated, fully and without bias and the questions surrounding the operation will be answered professionally and each and every member of the security forces will be included in the frame of investigation.

In his initial evaluation regarding Israel’s Lebanon offensive Diskin said “No doubt, the north was abandoned and someone should provide explanations and take responsibility.” Although the Israeli public opinion’s support for the Lebanon offensive was 90 percent prior to the attacks, the nation began to question the army which failed to disarm Hezbollah and suffered heavy losses. The Israeli Army is harshly criticized for not gathering the necessary and sufficient intelligence prior to the attacks, the failure of the air attacks and extending the operation only 11 hours before the announcement of the cease-fire.

Re: # 27

I am of the opinion that the Arab extremists don`t want Israel to return ``Arab land`` (and I`ll ignore the deliberate ambiguity vis-a-vis Israel being ``Arab`` land in your post). If they did, what would there be for them to fight for (and in the process enrich themselves)? For decades, governments like Assad`s Syria, Saddam`s Iraq and Mullah-run Iran`s have been justifying the repression of their own people on the basis of Israeli occupation of their land. If that situation ceased to exist, they will have to invent a new excuse.

What they want is annihilation of Israel, then annihilation of Arab govts. not at war with Israel and then annihilation of the West. And they`re using all the tricks in the Nazi book (including the lebensraum and persecution argument) to further their goals.

The rest of the world is sitting up and taking notice and just like the Nazis were eventually vanquished, so will the Islamic fascists (probably the one eloquent phrase invented by George Bush).

Re: # 28

A very good assessment of the whole affair. What is interesting is that everyone claims victory....the clear victors in this war were the people behind the scenes. In case Iran is definitely one as you indirectly indicated in your post #28.

But the pacifist assessment and athe resultant conclusions donot lead anywhere. There will be another war - futile or otherwise. And then another till one of them bows down or is cowed down. That is what happened to Germany and japan. Both bowed down and were cowed down t a superior power. That when both sides can agree to the pacifist agrument of the futility of war. Would agree with this?