Postmortem of Israeli-Hezbollah War – What Next?

#176 just to complete - you say that divine mercy reduces individual responsibility. a parallel with the legal process might make clear what i am trying to say. In a criminal procedure, the ``conviction stage`` and the ``sentencing stage`` are two separate stages. Human understanding/actions are relevant to the ``conviction stage`` while divine punishment, and therefore divine mercy, is relevant to the ``sentencing stage``, i.e. on the Judgement Day.

Hope this clarifies why divine mercy does not reduce individual responsibility.

Quadiani2 and Quadiani32 both are,
In the memorable words of George Galloway
Two cheeks of the same arse


and another pair also shares the same ``honor``:


Brown`s small change
So, which is it? Is Gordon Brown a radically different politician from Tony Blair - one who, once in charge, will bring higher taxes and favours for the trade unions? Or are the two men, in George Galloway`s annoyingly memorable phrase, ``two cheeks of the same arse``?

Our view inclines towards Mr Galloway`s. Certainly, the old friends are temperamentally different. Where Mr Blair places his faith in charisma, Mr Brown relies instead on intellect. Mr Blair believes in bringing people together by force of personality, Mr Brown believes in convincing them by force of argument. Mr Blair, one might say, represents Romanticism, Mr Brown classicism.

Yet, ideologically, they are remarkably close. Both came early to the dilemma faced by the contemporary Centre-Left, namely how to craft a political doctrine that has mass appeal within a market-based polity. Both hit on the same answer: to stand for ``fairness`` while accepting the essence of the capitalist system. Both glossed over the inconsistencies of what they were saying, confident that, provided they got the tone right, no one would much care about the details.

Just couldn`t resist this one:

{Quadiani2 and Quadiani32 both are,
In the memorable words of George Galloway
Two cheeks of the same arse }

which are just squeezing the sunni canal, eh!

Yaar aatishband :179

You are the keeper of the fire, not spreader or squanderer of it...Yezdgard beacons you..new temples with 100% funding by the Islamic Republic for the 30000 population & 100% parsi laws at municipal level enforced.


Suez canal is very important for world health; even now when air-transport is there. If you try to put a sectarian spin on it then all the 9 parsi sects in a population of not more than 150000 aroung the world would put the cheeks to blush so much that they will become the Macacas
red red chootarRs ( english meiN voh maza naheeN hai naa? HaiN naaN?)

You may continue your innocuous pranks with the titans like masadi.

Re: # 180 by echoboom on August 29, 2006 11:29am PT

Squeakiness aside, let me see how the suuni canal can be widened, given (as you yourself has suggested) it lies between these Quadiani cheeks. Being the few fire worshippers left, just shows to prove that we have survived the cruelty of Islamic demons for so many centuries. Yes, Islamic believers have always used the power of intimidation, because the power of faith and piousness was always lacking, ever since the death of the holy prophet.

{You are the keeper of the fire, not spreader or squanderer of it...} Fire burns all rubbish everywhere. We are here to replace your fire of hate with the fire of love and compassion. Promoters of hate should always be confronted no matter where they reside. They could be squatters on the railroads, or peeing on the streets of Karachi.

{Yezdgard beacons you..new temples with 100% funding by the Islamic Republic for the 30000 population & 100% parsi laws at municipal level enforced. }

Yeah, right!

Islamic Republic of Pakistan with its ``kashkol`` asked our community to support the influx of the panahgeers of India. Your brain cells was probably not even developed when Jinnah came begging the enlightened communities of Parsees and Christians to get the doors of their schools opened for the newly arriving immigrants.

You were probably rejected to enter in one of those schools. Is that why you have an inferiority complex with English speaking communities of Pakistan?

Islamic Republic can only confiscate other communities properties. Maybe that is the price to pay, because after all we have no Qurbani Ki Khalein to provide. Just as MQM started confiscating other people`s Khalein, so that the Salifist Jamaat-i-Islami could not get it.

{Suez canal is very important for world health; even now when air-transport is there.}

Yep, you said it. And those who are squeezing the sunni canal are also taking the glory these days. Just look at the mighty Hizbullahis, who have literally squeezed the sunni canal to oblivion, eh!

{If you try to put a sectarian spin on it } Oooh, what a threat! Your convoluted mind is blaming others for putting a sectarian spin. Is it not you who is constantly calling other pious muslims all kind of names? You who have no intellect to speak of, eh!

{then all the 9 parsi sects in a population of not more than 150000 aroung the world would put the cheeks to blush so much that they will become the Macacas red red chootarRs ( english meiN voh maza naheeN hai naa? HaiN naaN?) }

Of course, that is all that is left for goons like yourself. But, first you must validate where is this 9 sects that you speak of? Or it is just your usual grunt like a pig?

{You may continue your innocuous pranks with the titans like masadi.} Thank you, as if I needed your approval for it, eh!

If you are so bold and courageous why do you have a nic which is more toward squeaking like ``oink oink`` than roaring like a lion, uh?

Did you know why an Iranian symbol was always a lion?

One more thing... I just did a spell check on your post, and you have so many spelling errors. It just shows that you are full of emotions and no intellect. What is your problem? Are you one of those mentally unstable person that Cowasjee has written about in this Sunday`s piece?

Enjoy reading my post and hyperventilating.....

Behram-Gore:
itnaa gussaa?
Lots & Lots of memories about Ladaks, Marolias, Tengras, Daruwallas. Remember someone near Ma Ma Parsi School, Aamil Colony? Nice people these Parsis who taught me navigation; our secrets would go with me to my grave and theirs to the tower of silence

A lot of maiden voyages were made into those canals.

P.S: The Yazgard Part is really true. Want me to post the report by the Kaahans & the grand
Yazdgard ``hajj`` now possible (Post Shah)?

echosqueek: I think Behram has some good advice for you. Instead of rejecting it like a macaca, you would be well-advised to benefit from that advice. particularly:

1. Taking on a nick of ``boom boom`` shows that in real life you are a ``squeek squeek``.

2. Your anger at the ``cantonment kay kuttay`` reflects a deep resentment that you were raised in raja bazaar.

3. You are obviously awed by ``goras``. A gora converts to Islam, and you proudly announe it like the gora sahib`s bearer.

4. Your veneration of maulvis makes your talk of islam hollow.

Having said this, you are a great illustration of the complexes that lie beneath the mullah mentality. So perhaps you should not listen to behram, and continue to play the role of the macaca mullah.

What next?


A very Very Powerful interview of Mahathir Mohammed, former PM of Malaysia. His suggestions how to counter US & Israeli criminal behaviour & ``to bring them on their knees.``

on Islam Channel of U.K



Click to watch

Please send this e-mail to all muslims & non-muslims ``who want to bring US & Israel to their knees``.

For starters his suggestions include dumping US Dollars in $1000 batches & see it spiral down.

DO NOT MISS IT!

Re:#182 by echoboom on August 29, 2006 12:41pm PT

{itnaa gussaa? }

Nahin bhai this is not gussaa, I just wanted to guss na into your sunni canal. This is all those lassis and tak taka tak behind Mama Parsi School. Remember the chapli kebab we Persians created for your ilk, uh!

{Lots & Lots of memories about Ladaks, Marolias, Tengras, Daruwallas. } Good memories, I hope. So.....what went wrong with you? Where did you learn to hate so much, eh!

{Remember someone near Ma Ma Parsi School, Aamil Colony? } Yes, I do remember a lot of folks near my place of birth and growth. But, what about this Colony? Do you mean Parsi Colony?

{Nice people these Parsis who taught me navigation; our secrets would go with me to my grave and theirs to the tower of silence} No, no, no.... you have no secrets, just lot of ``oink oink`` like a pig....and this will be exposed to the world.

We can not pollute the world hereafter with your kind of pollution.

{A lot of maiden voyages were made into those canals.} Yet, you are still worried about the sunni canal being sent to oblivion by the Quadianis, eh!. How about this Persian, who is trying to expand a little bit of your sunni canal, eh!

{P.S: The Yazgard Part is really true. Want me to post the report by the Kaahans & the grand Yazdgard ``hajj`` now possible (Post Shah)?}

Sure, if only that helps you with your complex ridden self. You have not been contributing anything except hate towards people of Pakistan.

tahmed (#176):

The model you developed knocks down the idea of state, or any other institution imposing a thought-police on others. As I made clear earlier, imposing his values on others is not the job of a prophet. Let’s keep this straight.

Furthermore, let’s leave out the “religious organizations trying to help others”. That is not the issue being discussed. You are spreading the discussion too thin. Try to remain focused on the topic at hand.

The issue is accepting a person as a prophet of Allah. If this conflicts with individual responsibility in your view, your conflict lies with Quran. You are ignoring the fact that in Quran Allah Himself asks believers to accept His prophets. Tahmed, it disappoints me to no end to have to repeat such basic teaching of Quran.


Your example in #177 is erroneous.

In a legal sphere, both “conviction” and “sentencing” fall under human domain. In religious sphere, neither come under human domain.

If you think accepting of prophets interferes with individual responsibility, then so does divine attribute of Mercy. That is, if a person disobeys Allah, and Allah shows mercy towards him, Allah is in violation of the principle of individual responsibility. That is, in order to uphold “your” notion of individual responsibility, Allah cannot show mercy and must punish the sinner. This is where your rigid notion of personal responsibility inevitably leads. Same applies to humans forgiving each other.

You are yet to show why in Quran Allah asks people to accept His prophets. This is the crux of the matter that you continue to ignore.

Nine sects of Zoroasters.




from this encyclopaedia:
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/zorast

Much more interesting stuff..

but you love Pakistan so much, I can afford to not write much here.

So let it sleep.

The gathering at Zardgard is getting bigger every year ever since the Islamic Republic of Iran
awards grants to about 70, ooo Parsis there. I thought all Parsis had fled.

They have their own Madressas, fully funded & their own relgious laws (Parsi-sharia applied enforced at the municipal level; same for Jews , Bahais, Christians in their majority areas)

Salim dude (#156):

A tit-for-tat approach will only cause more turmoil. Islam teaches us patience and fortitude, which are the ultimate tools to win over the enemies. Quran does allow picking up of arms under certain circumstances. However, such circumstances do not currently exist in this conflict.

I must point out one thing, which attests to the wisdom of Islamic teachings. If Ahmadis had responded to violence with violence, a lot more bloodshed would have taken place on both sides. By avoiding violence Ahamdi-Muslims are able to minimize overall casualties, as well as casualties on their own side. Such patience goes a long way to creating a situation that ultimately leads to a win-win scenario. It does take time, effort, and patience … and the rest is history.

{They have their own Madressas, fully funded & their own relgious laws (Parsi-sharia applied enforced at the municipal level; same for Jews , Bahais, Christians in their majority areas}

You are once again mistaken by reading too much on these web sites. Muslim Iran under the Qajar dynasty had nothing to offer to the Zoroastrians, except for more of the same draconian Islamic laws, of paying jizya, and considering them as untouchables, and not giving them a decent living conditions.

It was a rich, a very rich, Parsee gentleman from India, by the name of Jamshed Maarkar, who visited Iran, during the last Qajar ruler reign, and asked the king to get all his jizuya tax upfront, and forgive the Zoroastrians of Yazd.

Musalman rulers have never been able to fully fund any minority educational system. And I thought that you were half intellegent, albeit we are working to expand your sunni canal.

... in addition to #188 ... it is worth mentioning that message of Isalm gained acceptance extremely rapidly when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) entered the treaty of Hudabiyyah with the enemies. The terms of this treaty were humiliating for the Muslims. However it allowed Muslims respite from on-going hostilities and a chance to focus their resources on spreading the message of Islam.

Armed conflicts are a tremendous waste of resources - they cause immense human suffering, loss of resources, property, and much much more ... for everyone. They scar generations, for centuries to come. Thus such conflicts should be avoided at (almost) all costs. If one violates such teachings of Quran, he perpetuates an endless cycle of pain and suffering.

I would reckon that ignoring these teachings of Quran is perhaps the main cause of ummah`s suffering in the on-going global conflicts. All other factors ... USA foreign policy, Israel, Blair, and the infidel martians conspiring against Muslims come after it.

Nine sects of Zoroastriansm is as bogus as your condition. Just look at your own created stupidity, there was no sect of Zoroastrians starting from the 7th. century all the way up to the 19th century, when the religion is actually dying. Those whom you show as sects are nothing other than some Indian inspired spiritual being, who had no different ideology whatsoever. For example, Meher Baba, was a resident of Poona, India, and his claim to fame was that he stopped talking, and said that he would only talk when peace comes to the world. Well, he died before his wishes were ever fulfilled.

Ilm Kshnoom was started by Meher Master Moose, an intellectual who combined the hindoo reincarnation with the Zoroastrian life after death concept that Islam has so conveniently copied. Crossing of the soul on the Chinvad Bridge, on the fourth day of death is our Zoroastrian concept.

The other arguments between Zoroastrians is basically of their calender and celebration of their New Year. These are hardly issues to be considered as Sect. We continue to pray with each other (as you might very well know that we have no congregational prayers) and allow each other to be integrated within our fold.

One sure thing that this web site is definitely missing, is an 80 year old gentleman by the name of Ali Jafferay, an Iranian Muslim, who studied in Karachi in 1950`s, who was never allowed to be converted in Karachi. Yet in 1980, he came over to California, and converted himself into the Zoroastrian fold, and has since, converted many Iranian muslims into his brand of Zoroastriansm. Most of the old world Zoroastrians can not stop this Muslim-to-Zoroastrain convert. Can you get a fatwa of ``murtad`` issued against this person?

sattar #190 you refer to ``USA foreign policy, Israel, Blair, and the infidel martians conspiring against Muslims``

For a second you had me worried, until I saw the part about ``infidel martians``. ha! ha! And I bet those sneaky plutonians are going to try and regain full planetary status unless mullah nasrullah shoots some missiles at them.

Shall go over your previous post addressed to me and get back later on it.