It should be called Stupid Ordinance, not Hudood!

re.Ahmed Muzammil

``Once Omer (May Allah be pleased with him) was on his daily walk while he was the ruler of the Islamic Empire. He thought he heard the sound of music coming from a home, so he jumped over the wall to inquire because it was against the law at that time. The lady of the house got furious with his ruler that how dare he entered her house without her permission, Islamic shariah puts unprecedented sanctity of privacy and Omer (may Allah be pleased with him) realizing his grave mistake was apologetic and asked for forgiveness from her. ``

From wher you brought this fake Hadith. I know you heard it on TV. This is a example of how people make Hadith for themselve. Ever heard of SAI BUKHAREE or SAI MUSLIM, even shia never heard of this hadith. Maybe you got mixed-up with Muhammad bin Qasim

I have given you an example of how Consensual-sex can be proven and how 4 witness space can be filled as this issue was taken seriously by Islamic scholars in SAUDI ARABIA in 1993. MAGHAR SHAYAAD app koo zaraa darsay samac aataa hai.

My suggestion: try researching seriously.

Faisaluno # 9

How do you paste pictures? Kindly enumerate the procedure.

nhk

Re: # 38

nhk:

``How do you paste pictures? Kindly enumerate the procedure. ``

using this, put the url between the quotation marks.

img src = ``url ``

use < and > at the beginning (before img src) and end (after ``url``) of the above sentence.

This url can be obtained by right-mouse click on the photo and selecting ``properties``, then copy the address/url and paste in ahead of the img src.

Mantolives:

It was the democratically elected sarhad assembly that posed a ban on any public musical performance, it was the same assembly that banned the faces of women on billboards. It was all in the ``spirit`` of Islam as dictated by the constitution. How many main stream political parties have done anything substantial against it? zero.

It is ironically the dictator who is stopping the Mullah in the NWFP from carrying out his dream, the same dictator who didnt allow the ``hugely`` popular Nawaz Sharif from declaring himself the Ameer ul Momineen. While it was the democratically elected Quaid A Awam who declared the Ahmadi a Kafir, something that was almost unanimously cheered by all political parties.

Come to the NWFP and talk to people, the majority wants sharia and they are disgusted with the greedy mullah for not delivering on his promise.

So it does not matter what Mr. Jinnah said or didnt say, the reality is that this land was ``liberated`` for the muslims i.e. people who believe in Islam (an ideology), and this islamization is a natural consequence of partition.

Salim pai, others,

Maybe I spoke too soon about MQM...

Amer Liaqat Hussain is apparently declaring that marital rape is ok.

Now that is really ridiculous - coming as it did from a government minister countering another government minister.

Arjun_M,

I am impressed by your exemplary mominocity in the countless hours of research and selfless effort that you have expended in the service of Ummahdom. Exposing the faults of our leaders and the sad state of our society is the first task every momin - and, sir, you are first among the suntanned ones. :) We are all indebted to you for your courageous sincerity and uncompromising jihad against the enemies of the true faith. May I suggest that you now move up to the next level of your endeavors - from research to rectification? May Allah bless you with 72 Draupattis in the hereafter.

Jang #27, {``Aboute rape, apparently there is a hadith that ...``}

Jang,
In my refined spirit of accomodation with fellow Chowkies, please accept my sincere apology for calling you ``compassionate.`` It won`t happen again. :)

Now, as far as this or many other Hadiths are concerned, I have stopped paying attention to them. I have a problem with people fighting over, killing, dying, planning around, and especially, legislating important laws on the basis of what so and so said to so and so, while walking from here to there, in a place we forget, at a time we have very little knowledge about, concerning issues that we know people in antiquity were very misinformed over. In short, if every community and nation started to base all their laws on what was rumored to have been said or was written is some ancient text in a long-forgotten language or dialect.

nazarhayatkhan #4 {``Sharia is nothing more than the history of the Abbasid Arabs. How can you make history as your Regulations?
And how come `Quran`, supposed to be an all all-encompassing book, missed out on `Rape`; and it had to put into the `Penal Code`. ``}

Khan Sahib,
Two excellent points that you have listed. :) Good for you, sir. If in their pursuit of religious extremism, the abominable Wahabbis can make holy persons irrelevant, why can`t we moderate Muslims make so-called holy cows, such as Sharia, Hadiths, and narrow interpretations of the Holy Koran, less domineering in our mundane laws?

#23 salim, stop hurling abuses like compassionate..i prefer to be dispassionate.

Aboute rape, apparently there is a hadith that a witness once said that he had witnessed a rape. at which point the witness was awarded blinding on one eye and chopping off left hand..the arguement was, if you were a witness, you should have proclaimed an immediated jihad against such opression. i am not sure why left hand was chopped.

Re: # 27

jang

``Aboute rape, apparently there is a hadith that a witness once said that he had witnessed a rape. at which point the witness was awarded blinding on one eye and chopping off left hand..the arguement was, if you were a witness, you should have proclaimed an immediated jihad against such opression. i am not sure why left hand was chopped.``

Really or just `apparently`? We must have such a hadees, attributed to Jang (RAT), even if there was none before, to be incorporated in the compilation `New Bukhari`.

Four eye witnesses for zinna in action! Why not film it with a mobile? Ha ha ha! No body dares to admit that the Quranic injunction to this effect was only to prevent accusation (tohmat) of zinna, specifically against Hazrat Aishah and not to prescribe any general law against zinna.

I would like to ask the following questions from the Ullemas of chowk:-

1. Have they not read in Qurane Hakeem the story of Hazrat Yousaf having been falsely accused of attempt to rape by a woman of Egypt of Pharaoh’s time and as a result got jailed?

2. Have they not heard the story of Ajeeba, a Kashmiri girl, who had accused a doctor of the Mayo Hospital of rape and got him jailed? She later withdrew her allegation and all this incident was treated by the Supreme Court just a hoax, making a joke of all Hadood and the common law of the land, providing only juicy reports for the press. Paradoxically, it is the same judiciary which is treating wedding meals as a serious crime and sending poor bridegrooms to jail for entertaining their guests.

3. Is not the woman who alleges to have been raped not confessing in the first place of having been subjected to zina and secondly accusing, repeat accusing, someone of raping her? Can confession and accusation be treated equally, both for the purpose of evidence and punishment?

4. And above all, what about Mukhtaran Mai who became the `Rape Queen` just by accusing Mastoies of rape?

#10, Mantolives {``Which is why MQM`s entry into Punjab should be supported whatever the argument against it... ``}


Manto Bhai,
...and may I recommend Tahmed16 as the MQM`s Punjab chairman? :)

nazarhayatkhan #13 {``You are right.
If MQM was not there, Karachi would have been made hell by these gunks by now. MQM is the only bold party not to minc words.
(All previous follies of MQM are washed off by their present policies) ``}

Khan Sahib,
I applaud your objectivity in recognizing the reformed MQM. Politics, like any other endeavor, is an evolutionary process. I am quite optimistic at the redefinition of MQM and its appearance on the Punjab scene.

Hasanmahmood #15 {``It is true that Karachi is saved by MQM but dont be overly proud. If MQM was really so much against MMA then how come MMA always is able to hold a rally in Karachi successfully. Dont take me wrong. I hate those mullahs but if MQM really wants to show that they are against those mullahs, then MQM workers should not let the Mullah rally happen.``}

Hasan Sahib,
If MQM thwarted MMA from holding its rally, then MQM would be no better than MMA, PPP, ML, and the Rangers. True democracy means allowing the opposition their time in the sunshine - regardless of how much rain they pray for. :)

Jang #17, {``All the PBUH, SWTs and RAWs and other attachments make it a stumbling read of an article which is not necessarily read by devouts alone. You can perhaps have a footnote which says please assume a PBUH (or SWT or RA etc) if you like as is appropriate. ``}

Jang,
How dare you suggest such a simple and rational suggestion to us at a time when we are confronted with the complex issue of whether a rape victim should be incarcerated for engaging in sexual pleasures? I mistook you for a sincere, compassionate, and logical person. :)

Kulharee #19, {``Our beloved Maseeh Maood Imam Mehdi Sayedna Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Binafsul Aziz Remhatulla Eleh, may peace and blessings be upon him and his followers, has always advised us Ahmadis to show utmost respect to Mohammad.``}

Shri Hajrat Zanaab Mohtaram Qibla Qutubuddin Bukbuk Sahib Axewalley Rematoolahallaih Ji,

Thank you for pointing out that use of acronyms like SWAT, PBUH, PECHS, PIBC, PDIC, WAPDA, and FATA is just as irreverent as not using the blessings at all. Goodonya.

Ahmer Sahib,
An excellent article that does justice to our common outrage at yet another legacy of Zina-owl-Hack. I say first we ban ``Allah Hafiz`` and then we blow up the entire Hudood Ordinance Factory. In fact, I am so motivated that we should push through legislation that legalizes recreational sex. It`s about time we Muslims stop our obsession with sand, camels, dates, and beards. OK - we can keep the dates, but we need to stop being a religion that seems to be totally against sex - yet manages to have the highest productivity of all.