It should be called Stupid Ordinance, not Hudood!

Before I rant on, Let me again for sake of clarity say that i am not the author, i just share the name with him.

Dsicovererrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:

Bhai aap ghussa thook dein. Jiss baatt ka pata nahii hotta uss mein itna garam nahii honna chayayy. Aaap nay bilawajayy mein itni tawanayii sarf kii. There have been numerous religious scholars who have said that for ``RAPE`` (which is a crime, not just a sin, i hope you see the difference here), you don`t need four witnesses. DNA test will suffice. Who told you that Quran and sharia and the prophet (PBUH) said that for ``RAPE`` you need 4 witnesses? Before you and others like you get your knickers in a knot, research!All the authentic & classisc religious scholars have said that since ``RAPE`` is a crime, one witness will be enough, or just the testimony of the victim plus some evidence, whether its medical or whatever, that will suffice.

I would comment on other posts and their retardedness, but we have a saying in Urdu ``Keechar mein pathar phaynknayy say, cheentayy apnayy oopar hi aatayy hein``. Abb kutta hayy bhaii, bhonkayyy ga nahii too kya ghazal sunayayye gaa.

I have said it many times, the thing about hindus & there religion is that they can never ever give an intelligent justification of ``burning the wife when the husband dies`` or ``sticking ur hand behind cow`s ass n wait for her to pee soo u can ``pavitar`` urself with the holy-piss``. Or how is it that a retard Brahman is superior to an intelligent Shudar. I mean I can go on and on, but i digress. So by all means nag about (PBUH) and (RAW), and don`t worry no one will ask you about worshiping genitalia or human sacrifice, we know you are ashamed and don`t have an explanation and frankly we feel sorry for you because you see, nature hasnt been good with u guys. You are the ulgiest nation on the face of this earth, you can`t enjoy bihari kabab, and then you will burn in hellfire for eternity. I have tears in my eyes. Oh beef niharii umm i m out ppl. Short attention span, what are you gonna do, noone said i was perfect.

Re: # 20

A brahmin is superior to a shudra in the same way a sayyad is to a non-sayyad. Hope this helps :)

Re: # 20

The same old rants, poor chaps!

>>>You are the ulgiest nation on the face of this earth, you can`t enjoy bihari kabab, and then you will burn in hellfire for eternity.<<<<

The whole world knows who are the ugliest! Ha ha ha.

A Serious reply:

On Sati:

There were many Hindu law books, called Smritis, nowhere was it mentioned - though those books are of changing nature in different ages - about this necessity of widow burning. Sati was mostly limited to Rajputs in northenr India.

On Drinking of cow uirne:

It`s also a rare practice of a few madcaps under the guise of religion. Nowhere was it prescribed. I never heard or saw it anybody doing it.

Brhaman Vs Shudar:

How is it different from a low caste vs high caste hate in Pakistan?

On Worship of Genetalia:

It`s an ancient practice of phallus worship, attributing repodudictive abilities of phallus. Tell me why you worship a god who has none?

On Human sacrifice:

Where when?

Look at YOUR Human sacrifice:

Yestrday`s International Herald Tribune front page:

ROME

A man of Pakistani origin has been detained in northern Italy on suspicion of murdering his daughter because she had an Italian boyfriend and refused to conform to an Islamic lifestyle, the police said.

Mohammed Saleem and a relative had been taken in for questioning in the slaying of 21-year-old Hina Saleem, whose body was found buried in the garden of the family home in the nearby town of Sarezzo. The police said that the young woman`s throat had been slit.

Poser:

Small brains, big mouths!!!! Anyway the US would take care of you guys.

Re: # 20
Ahmer,

There is no justification for a wife burning in a pyre. Sati mata after whom this Sati pratha is named immolated herself in a pyre WHILE her husband was alive.

The crime she punished HERSELF was for disobeying her Husband Bhagwan Mahadev and listening to him get abused by her own father.

Bhagwan Mahadev led by his cohorts Nandi, Sheshnag and others wrecked terrible vengeance on his father-in-law. Later Bhagwan Mahadev punished himself by doing ghor Tapsya (Tapasya from tapna to burn).

So a true Sati is not one who burns himself on her husbands pyre but in the case of his dying lives as a Suhagan (holding the memory of her husband and her atma as present) and carries forward his vision/good work/wishes.

Unlike what you Mozzies claim as perversions of Islam but what the Mullahs prove by fiqah and qiyas this is truly a perversion of our religion.

Also at times Sati has been equated with Jauhar which was a ritual mass suicide by Hindu women when their city or fort was in danger of falling into the hands of Muslims invaders to prevent dishonour, slavery or concubinage at their hands, death before dishonour being the credo of most Hindus except for probably your ancestors and a couple of more million cowards like them.

Regards
Sanatani

Re: # 20

To my former Hindu Brother ahmer ...

Sanatan Dharma 101:

> how is it that a retard Brahman is superior to an intelligent Shudar....

Prashna:
rajan kulena vrttena svadhyayena shrutena va
brahmanyam kenabhavati prabruhyetatsu nishcitam

King, how does one become a Brahmin: by birth?
character? study of the Vedas? education? Tell me precisely.

Uttar:
shrnu yaksha kulam tata nasvadhyayo nacashrutam
karanam hi dvijatve ca vrttameva na samshayha

Listen, Yaksha, it is neither birth nor education, nor even the study
of the Vedas. Without doubt, it is character alone that marks a Brahmin.

Simple. Ain`t it ??

Re: # 31

Wiseguyin Mahoday,

Jai Shri Ram. I am envious of your grasp of Sanskrit. Pity our Macaulayite education never taught us more than rudiments.

Warm Regards
Sanatani

Note to the Author and the Editor.

All the PBUH, SWTs and RAWs and other attachments make it a stumbling read of an article which is not necessarily read by devouts alone. You can perhaps have a footnote which says please assume a PBUH (or SWT or RA etc) if you like as is appropriate. The least editors can do is suggest this to the authors.

Re: # 17

Jung Ji, why such a worry over suffixes? I don’t think they take anything away from the discussion? Our beloved Maseeh Maood Imam Mehdi Sayedna Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Binafsul Aziz Remhatulla Eleh, may peace and blessings be upon him and his followers, has always advised us Ahmadis to show utmost respect to Mohammad.

Re: # 17

> You can perhaps have a footnote which says please assume a PBUH (or SWT or RA etc) if
> you like as is appropriate.

I think these guys have a law or something against it ... I dont think that can be done. The
poor author might get killed !

:P

Dear Hassanmahmood,

While I can destroy this argument that Pakistan was built on Islam to bits... I am going to instead suggest that even if we accept that Pakistan was built on Islam (and therefore requires Islamisation- eventhough such Islamisation is counterproductive to any hope of Muslim unity ab initio) ... any Islamisation that has to happen must happen through a democratic process and the constitution ....

Hudood Ordinance was a 1000 times worse than the Hisba Bill... there isn`t a single minute chance of it passing through the legislature.

Nice article, but what is quite crappy about it is that the author on the one hand is arguing about how despicable the Shariah inspired Laws are, and on the other hand giving example of what the Prophet did or didn’t do. Any public policy debate should have no place for what someone did ions ago. No one should give even a minute thought about what was done in 7th century Arabia to look at what needs to be done in today’s Pakistan. I wonder how many of these MMA’s leaders’ daughters have been raped and their daddy’s asked them to produce 4 male witnesses and they produced their bearded uncles.

Faisaluno # 9

You are right.

If MQM was not there, Karachi would have been made hell by these gunks by now. MQM is the only bold party not to minc words.

(All previous follies of MQM are washed off by their present policies)

nhk

Re: # 13
It is true that Karachi is saved by MQM but dont be overly proud. If MQM was really so much against MMA then how come MMA always is able to hold a rally in Karachi successfully. Dont take me wrong. I hate those mullahs but if MQM really wants to show that they are against those mullahs, then MQM workers should not let the Mullah rally happen.

Also Kulharee, Pakistan is built on Islam and saying that what someone did ions ago should not be done is competely wrong. Our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and sahabas lived their life as an example for all of us. We should be lookig at their lives to learn.

re: Unless the culprits are in the porn business, how would you get four witnesses?...

If I say that I am suffering from diabetes then you will believe that I do have diabetes.

what if you ask me to prove and bring 4 witness who clearly states that I really have

diabetes. If I am the only person in my family alive then I`ll bring the doctor who treat me

along with my medical REPORTS. My reports will act like a WITNESS who assures you that I

have diabetes.

In the same manner, time has change we do not have good ppl any more but SHARIA,

QURAN and PROPHET tells us that you need 4 witnesses stillTHEY WERE NOT FOOL,YOU

NEED BRAINS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND QURAN. QURAN SAYS 4 WITNESS HUMAN OR

MACHINE IT DOESN`T MATTER IN THESE DAYS AS LONG AS THEY ARE PROVE.

This can be Solved by modern technology. If some one is raped then he/she could be

examined by the appropriate team of doctors & the scientific prove will defend that

individual acting as WITNESSES for the crime that was comitted. Whether it was a RAPE or

ZINNA, even this can be answered by Modern Medical Examination. Therfore, you can stay

Modern and you will get JUSTICE. Sadly OUR so called GOVERNMENT leader are no

more then shit in a bag. They claim themselves to be Ph.D and they don`t have a single

cell to think about their religion and their society & how to merge them equally. WHAT A

WASTE OF INTELLIGENCE

nice article

I had read many news, reviews, like that and all the story behind,
but still fails to get the point,
that whats wrong with this new ammendment of Hudood law,
why peoples are behaving like this, against it,
there is nothing objectionable in it ,,,,,,,,,,,nothing atleast i feel

Which is why MQM`s entry into Punjab should be supported whatever the argument against it...