Ahmer Muzammil August 24, 2006
#1 Posted by mantra on August 24, 2006 6:34:44 pm
Well said.
The Islamic parties and their drones can`t admit they`re wrong...they`re the true Mumins, after all.
The Islamic parties and their drones can`t admit they`re wrong...they`re the true Mumins, after all.
#2 Posted by tahmed32 on August 24, 2006 7:30:13 pm
The Mullah virus is to Pakistan what the Aids is to the individual.
#3 Posted by MantoLives on August 24, 2006 10:29:12 pm
A well written article.
The bottomline which needs to be emphasised is that this law was not made through debate in Pakistan`s central legislature... it was made by a military dictator who was the antithesis of Pakistan`s constitution.
Any legislation, for whatever reason, has to follow a certain course ...
The bottomline which needs to be emphasised is that this law was not made through debate in Pakistan`s central legislature... it was made by a military dictator who was the antithesis of Pakistan`s constitution.
Any legislation, for whatever reason, has to follow a certain course ...
#4 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 24, 2006 11:17:43 pm
Muzzamil
Obviously, you are right. But you are far too polite.
Sharia is nothing more than the history of the Abbasid Arabs. How can you make history as your Regulations?
And how come `Quran`, supposed to be an all all-encompassing book, missed out on `Rape`; and it had to put into the `Penal Code`.
Hassan Nasir, a liberal scholar, who took part in the TV debates; and made some logical sense has been attacked and is in serious condition in hospital. The fundos attacked him.
So be upfront with no compromise with Mulla at all - HE IS COMPLETELY WRONG - AND TELL HIM SO. No need to get into any meaningless arguement where he will throw Arabic at you!
Arjun and Hamidm2 speak that language very well. So does Saleem Chauhan.
best of luck
nhk
Obviously, you are right. But you are far too polite.
Sharia is nothing more than the history of the Abbasid Arabs. How can you make history as your Regulations?
And how come `Quran`, supposed to be an all all-encompassing book, missed out on `Rape`; and it had to put into the `Penal Code`.
Hassan Nasir, a liberal scholar, who took part in the TV debates; and made some logical sense has been attacked and is in serious condition in hospital. The fundos attacked him.
So be upfront with no compromise with Mulla at all - HE IS COMPLETELY WRONG - AND TELL HIM SO. No need to get into any meaningless arguement where he will throw Arabic at you!
Arjun and Hamidm2 speak that language very well. So does Saleem Chauhan.
best of luck
nhk
#5 Posted by ballukhan on August 24, 2006 11:52:28 pm
the solution is to expose the mullahs............do some sting operations............video them having it with their favourite whores and kids............video them taking bribes for passing a fatwa and misusing the funds.............expose them thoroughly showing the mullah`s corrupt practices before the en tire world..........stop protecting them and justifying their actions.............expose them for taking gullible muslims for a ride in their self assigned role as the arbitrator between individuals in matters pertainingto family and Islam..........expose them of their self assigned role of being the protectors of Islam or the sole authority which can ``correctly`` interpret the constitutional basis of Pakistan................
Do you have the guts???
Do you have the guts???
#6 Posted by IamNadia on August 24, 2006 11:53:47 pm
A well reasoned and timely analysis just according to current plight of pakistan, its awam and their needs and wants. you have reminded the narration of a zalim badshah by khalil jibran where the state was governed by thousands of rules punishing the poor people and still it had no justice.
You have very truly spoken for the sake of ummah the language they know and what should be taught to them.
The cool side of `shariah` is exposed and for the first time I liked ``Omer Bin Khattab`` being quoted though he was too a desperate, obessed `amir-ul-momineen`.
Great views and keep writing and make people realize the ones who should.
You have very truly spoken for the sake of ummah the language they know and what should be taught to them.
The cool side of `shariah` is exposed and for the first time I liked ``Omer Bin Khattab`` being quoted though he was too a desperate, obessed `amir-ul-momineen`.
Great views and keep writing and make people realize the ones who should.
#8 Posted by MantoLives on August 25, 2006 1:22:58 am
NHK,
You are right when you say it is time to confront them and tell them they are wrong.
I just want to point out ... for the record .... on this website and in real life in Lahore, the only person who has spoken consistently against the Mullahs and the Hudood Ordinances and written article after article against them and their mode of thinking on this website is MOI. All of you have to do is see the Mullah series I wrote on this website.
Everyone else has been too caught up in proving themselves liberal and progressive to actually do so... To want to be rid of this crime and injustice one has to have a sense of ownership with the country... that ownership is lacking amongst those who would want more examples of things going wrong for their own self aggrandizement.
-YLH
You are right when you say it is time to confront them and tell them they are wrong.
I just want to point out ... for the record .... on this website and in real life in Lahore, the only person who has spoken consistently against the Mullahs and the Hudood Ordinances and written article after article against them and their mode of thinking on this website is MOI. All of you have to do is see the Mullah series I wrote on this website.
Everyone else has been too caught up in proving themselves liberal and progressive to actually do so... To want to be rid of this crime and injustice one has to have a sense of ownership with the country... that ownership is lacking amongst those who would want more examples of things going wrong for their own self aggrandizement.
-YLH
#9 Posted by faisaluno on August 25, 2006 2:28:57 am
crap article fit for a third rate website. the only people who have the ability to stop the scumbag mullahs in mma are a part of the government.
Supporters of the Muthidda Quami Movement (MQM), a pro-Musharraf ally in the government, protest in Karachi August 24, 2006, against the behaviour of Islamist legislators in the country`s lower house who have torn off the copies of a bill seeking amendments in a controversial Islamic law. The MQM supporters say that since the wording of the bill contains the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammad, the religious clerics have indulged in a blasphemous act and should be punished. REUTERS/Athar Hussain (PAKISTAN) Email Photo Print Photo Recommend THIS PHOTO
here is the text of the bill:
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/24/nat3.htm
#10 Posted by MantoLives on August 25, 2006 3:13:13 am
Which is why MQM`s entry into Punjab should be supported whatever the argument against it...
#11 Posted by Perfection on August 25, 2006 3:55:03 am
nice article
I had read many news, reviews, like that and all the story behind,
but still fails to get the point,
that whats wrong with this new ammendment of Hudood law,
why peoples are behaving like this, against it,
there is nothing objectionable in it ,,,,,,,,,,,nothing atleast i feel
I had read many news, reviews, like that and all the story behind,
but still fails to get the point,
that whats wrong with this new ammendment of Hudood law,
why peoples are behaving like this, against it,
there is nothing objectionable in it ,,,,,,,,,,,nothing atleast i feel
#12 Posted by discoverer on August 25, 2006 4:36:31 am
re: Unless the culprits are in the porn business, how would you get four witnesses?...
If I say that I am suffering from diabetes then you will believe that I do have diabetes.
what if you ask me to prove and bring 4 witness who clearly states that I really have
diabetes. If I am the only person in my family alive then I`ll bring the doctor who treat me
along with my medical REPORTS. My reports will act like a WITNESS who assures you that I
have diabetes.
In the same manner, time has change we do not have good ppl any more but SHARIA,
QURAN and PROPHET tells us that you need 4 witnesses stillTHEY WERE NOT FOOL,YOU
NEED BRAINS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND QURAN. QURAN SAYS 4 WITNESS HUMAN OR
MACHINE IT DOESN`T MATTER IN THESE DAYS AS LONG AS THEY ARE PROVE.
This can be Solved by modern technology. If some one is raped then he/she could be
examined by the appropriate team of doctors & the scientific prove will defend that
individual acting as WITNESSES for the crime that was comitted. Whether it was a RAPE or
ZINNA, even this can be answered by Modern Medical Examination. Therfore, you can stay
Modern and you will get JUSTICE. Sadly OUR so called GOVERNMENT leader are no
more then shit in a bag. They claim themselves to be Ph.D and they don`t have a single
cell to think about their religion and their society & how to merge them equally. WHAT A
WASTE OF INTELLIGENCE
If I say that I am suffering from diabetes then you will believe that I do have diabetes.
what if you ask me to prove and bring 4 witness who clearly states that I really have
diabetes. If I am the only person in my family alive then I`ll bring the doctor who treat me
along with my medical REPORTS. My reports will act like a WITNESS who assures you that I
have diabetes.
In the same manner, time has change we do not have good ppl any more but SHARIA,
QURAN and PROPHET tells us that you need 4 witnesses stillTHEY WERE NOT FOOL,YOU
NEED BRAINS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND QURAN. QURAN SAYS 4 WITNESS HUMAN OR
MACHINE IT DOESN`T MATTER IN THESE DAYS AS LONG AS THEY ARE PROVE.
This can be Solved by modern technology. If some one is raped then he/she could be
examined by the appropriate team of doctors & the scientific prove will defend that
individual acting as WITNESSES for the crime that was comitted. Whether it was a RAPE or
ZINNA, even this can be answered by Modern Medical Examination. Therfore, you can stay
Modern and you will get JUSTICE. Sadly OUR so called GOVERNMENT leader are no
more then shit in a bag. They claim themselves to be Ph.D and they don`t have a single
cell to think about their religion and their society & how to merge them equally. WHAT A
WASTE OF INTELLIGENCE
#15 Posted by HasanMahmood on August 25, 2006 7:50:39 am
Re: # 13
It is true that Karachi is saved by MQM but dont be overly proud. If MQM was really so much against MMA then how come MMA always is able to hold a rally in Karachi successfully. Dont take me wrong. I hate those mullahs but if MQM really wants to show that they are against those mullahs, then MQM workers should not let the Mullah rally happen.
Also Kulharee, Pakistan is built on Islam and saying that what someone did ions ago should not be done is competely wrong. Our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and sahabas lived their life as an example for all of us. We should be lookig at their lives to learn.
It is true that Karachi is saved by MQM but dont be overly proud. If MQM was really so much against MMA then how come MMA always is able to hold a rally in Karachi successfully. Dont take me wrong. I hate those mullahs but if MQM really wants to show that they are against those mullahs, then MQM workers should not let the Mullah rally happen.
Also Kulharee, Pakistan is built on Islam and saying that what someone did ions ago should not be done is competely wrong. Our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and sahabas lived their life as an example for all of us. We should be lookig at their lives to learn.
#13 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 25, 2006 4:53:10 am
Faisaluno # 9
You are right.
If MQM was not there, Karachi would have been made hell by these gunks by now. MQM is the only bold party not to minc words.
(All previous follies of MQM are washed off by their present policies)
nhk
You are right.
If MQM was not there, Karachi would have been made hell by these gunks by now. MQM is the only bold party not to minc words.
(All previous follies of MQM are washed off by their present policies)
nhk
#14 Posted by Kulharee on August 25, 2006 7:27:40 am
Nice article, but what is quite crappy about it is that the author on the one hand is arguing about how despicable the Shariah inspired Laws are, and on the other hand giving example of what the Prophet did or didn’t do. Any public policy debate should have no place for what someone did ions ago. No one should give even a minute thought about what was done in 7th century Arabia to look at what needs to be done in today’s Pakistan. I wonder how many of these MMA’s leaders’ daughters have been raped and their daddy’s asked them to produce 4 male witnesses and they produced their bearded uncles.
#16 Posted by MantoLives on August 25, 2006 8:43:36 am
Dear Hassanmahmood,
While I can destroy this argument that Pakistan was built on Islam to bits... I am going to instead suggest that even if we accept that Pakistan was built on Islam (and therefore requires Islamisation- eventhough such Islamisation is counterproductive to any hope of Muslim unity ab initio) ... any Islamisation that has to happen must happen through a democratic process and the constitution ....
Hudood Ordinance was a 1000 times worse than the Hisba Bill... there isn`t a single minute chance of it passing through the legislature.
While I can destroy this argument that Pakistan was built on Islam to bits... I am going to instead suggest that even if we accept that Pakistan was built on Islam (and therefore requires Islamisation- eventhough such Islamisation is counterproductive to any hope of Muslim unity ab initio) ... any Islamisation that has to happen must happen through a democratic process and the constitution ....
Hudood Ordinance was a 1000 times worse than the Hisba Bill... there isn`t a single minute chance of it passing through the legislature.
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