How to Kill the Dead Again
Feroz Qutabshahi August 30, 2006
#169 Posted by Kulharee on September 12, 2006 6:28:11 am
There is a very interesting little snippet in the NYTimes today.
President Ahmadinejad has closed down a top Iranian Newspaper, Sharagh, for printing a cartoon that was seemed insulting to the regime. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
It is truly mind boggling that how a little cartoon criticizing the regime is so painful to him that he had to shut the paper down.
May be some super brains can explain this little, my shyt don’t stink’ phenomenon so widely prevalent in the Islamic world?
President Ahmadinejad has closed down a top Iranian Newspaper, Sharagh, for printing a cartoon that was seemed insulting to the regime. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
It is truly mind boggling that how a little cartoon criticizing the regime is so painful to him that he had to shut the paper down.
May be some super brains can explain this little, my shyt don’t stink’ phenomenon so widely prevalent in the Islamic world?
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#168 Posted by echoboom on September 10, 2006 9:13:11 pm
and look how a Mullah( good word--use it often) so learned, one from a madressa, fluent in four european languages besides Farsi, arabie, and urdu is received & respected.
No wonder the Ba Ba Blacksheep turn out to be mere jobbers, the master-kissers of their master`s-tushes.
``Slaves, never masters``..the chant of the toata-mainaas from the missionoried-schools.
No wonder the Ba Ba Blacksheep turn out to be mere jobbers, the master-kissers of their master`s-tushes.
``Slaves, never masters``..the chant of the toata-mainaas from the missionoried-schools.
Khatami calls Hizbollah symbol of resistance
Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:47pm ET
By Svea Herbst-Bayliss
CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (Reuters) - Former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami said on Sunday Hizbollah was a symbol of Arab resistance and that groups or nations fighting oppression could not be equated with terrorists.
Khatami said there was a difference between those who ``strive for the territorial integrity of a country and those who kill only to kill.`` His comments, through an interpreter, came in reply to a student question after he delivered a speech at Harvard University`s Kennedy School of Government.
He called Hizbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in Lebanon this summer and is classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, ``a symbol of Arabic resistance.`` Washington has accused Iran of arming Hizbollah guerrillas.
Hizbollah was founded in 1982 and waged a long guerrilla war to evict Israeli forces from Lebanon. Its recent fighting with Israel was sparked after the group kidnapped two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12.
Khatami, a cleric who was Iran`s president from 1997 to 2005 and was considered a reformist, also denied Iran financed terrorist groups, contradicting assertions by the United States.
Replying to the same student, who repeated allegations that Khatami`s government had financed terrorists, Khatami replied: ``Are you sure I gave hundreds of millions in aid to terrorists? I assure you this has not happened and will not happen.``
It was not clear if Khatami was referring just to his own government. He did not mention what policies his hard-line successor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, might have toward Hizbollah.
The speech in Cambridge on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States, marked the end of a controversial five-city visit that included stops in Washington and New York.
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney did not allow state police to escort Khatami as police would normally do, after calling his planned speech at Harvard ``propaganda.``
About 200 protesters crowded outside the Kennedy School and one child held a sign with a picture of New York`s World Trade Center -- destroyed in the September 11 attacks -- and ``Remember This`` written underneath.
President George W. Bush has called Iran part of an ``axis of evil`` but said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal his administration issued Khatami a visa to travel in the United States because he wanted to hear his views.
Khatami is the highest-ranking Iranian to visit Washington since the United States cut diplomatic ties after student radicals held 52 Americans hostage during the 1979 revolution.
© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
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By Svea Herbst-Bayliss
CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (Reuters) - Former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami said on Sunday Hizbollah was a symbol of Arab resistance and that groups or nations fighting oppression could not be equated with terrorists.
Khatami said there was a difference between those who ``strive for the territorial integrity of a country and those who kill only to kill.`` His comments, through an interpreter, came in reply to a student question after he delivered a speech at Harvard University`s Kennedy School of Government.
He called Hizbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in Lebanon this summer and is classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, ``a symbol of Arabic resistance.`` Washington has accused Iran of arming Hizbollah guerrillas.
Hizbollah was founded in 1982 and waged a long guerrilla war to evict Israeli forces from Lebanon. Its recent fighting with Israel was sparked after the group kidnapped two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12.
Khatami, a cleric who was Iran`s president from 1997 to 2005 and was considered a reformist, also denied Iran financed terrorist groups, contradicting assertions by the United States.
Replying to the same student, who repeated allegations that Khatami`s government had financed terrorists, Khatami replied: ``Are you sure I gave hundreds of millions in aid to terrorists? I assure you this has not happened and will not happen.``
It was not clear if Khatami was referring just to his own government. He did not mention what policies his hard-line successor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, might have toward Hizbollah.
The speech in Cambridge on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States, marked the end of a controversial five-city visit that included stops in Washington and New York.
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney did not allow state police to escort Khatami as police would normally do, after calling his planned speech at Harvard ``propaganda.``
About 200 protesters crowded outside the Kennedy School and one child held a sign with a picture of New York`s World Trade Center -- destroyed in the September 11 attacks -- and ``Remember This`` written underneath.
President George W. Bush has called Iran part of an ``axis of evil`` but said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal his administration issued Khatami a visa to travel in the United States because he wanted to hear his views.
Khatami is the highest-ranking Iranian to visit Washington since the United States cut diplomatic ties after student radicals held 52 Americans hostage during the 1979 revolution.
© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
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#167 Posted by echoboom on September 10, 2006 7:39:35 pm
Now why this news has not been mentioned in any of the so-called big-name media.
The reason, dear muslims, is that they are United Satans.
``Never ever will they take you their friends, until & unless you adopt their way of life``.
Now where did I read that? The muslims here know that.
Only those who pose as muslims amongst us but
who love to drool at gora-stool & yet
consider themselves cool, will not
deny they went to school
where Ba Ba Blacksheep as a rule
always bah bahed for more wool.
Enjoy & share it with your e-mail buddies.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/760576.html
Mon., September 11, 2006 Elul 18, 5766
40,000 rally in TA to demand official war probe
Reuters
Some 40,000 Israelis demonstrated in Tel Aviv last night to demand that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert order an independent state inquiry into his government`s handling of the war in Lebanon.
The rally was the largest public show of dissatisfaction with Olmert since he took office in May. Polls show his popularity has tumbled amid public frustration with Israel`s failure to crush Hezbollah guerrillas.
The 34-day campaign, launched after Hezbollah captured two soldiers in a cross-border raid, ended with an August 14 truce that has largely held. Olmert has pledged only a government probe into the war instead of an independent inquiry.
Police said a crowd of around 40,000 thronged Rabin Square in Tel Aviv. Many in the crowd, which spilled into nearby streets, were reservists who served during the war.
Organizers said they were happy with the turnout, though some protests against past governments have been much bigger.
Speakers complained that the army had been ill equipped and civilians ill prepared to face Hezbollah rockets that rained on northern Israel during the fighting. A total of 1,200 Lebanese, mostly civilians, and 157 Israelis, two-thirds of them soldiers, were killed in the war.
Protesters sent up cries of: ``Olmert go home.``
Spurning the calls from the demonstrators, Olmert told a news conference in Jerusalem: ``I see things differently.``
The prime minister has vowed to hold an internal probe of the war, under a panel his cabinet has yet to name. Israeli media said the cabinet was likely to put off a decision on naming the panel that had been expected today.
Among the speakers in Tel Aviv were leaders of both left and right-wing parties opposed to Olmert`s centrist Kadima. They formed an odd alliance of those who supported the war and those who wanted to end it sooner.
``Never has there been such confusion and contradictory orders issued in the handling of a war,`` said former defense minister Moshe Arens, of the right-wing Likud party.
Yossi Sarid, a former lawmaker with the leftist Meretz party called on Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz to resign. ``If you don`t return home on your own initiative, Israeli democracy will send you home,`` Sarid said.
Protest leader Eliad Shraga said, ``We hope to open the prime minister`s eyes,`` to force him to name an independent commission of inquiry headed by a Supreme Court justice to investigate the army`s failings.
The reason, dear muslims, is that they are United Satans.
``Never ever will they take you their friends, until & unless you adopt their way of life``.
Now where did I read that? The muslims here know that.
Only those who pose as muslims amongst us but
who love to drool at gora-stool & yet
consider themselves cool, will not
deny they went to school
where Ba Ba Blacksheep as a rule
always bah bahed for more wool.
Enjoy & share it with your e-mail buddies.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/760576.html
Mon., September 11, 2006 Elul 18, 5766
40,000 rally in TA to demand official war probe
Reuters
Some 40,000 Israelis demonstrated in Tel Aviv last night to demand that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert order an independent state inquiry into his government`s handling of the war in Lebanon.
The rally was the largest public show of dissatisfaction with Olmert since he took office in May. Polls show his popularity has tumbled amid public frustration with Israel`s failure to crush Hezbollah guerrillas.
The 34-day campaign, launched after Hezbollah captured two soldiers in a cross-border raid, ended with an August 14 truce that has largely held. Olmert has pledged only a government probe into the war instead of an independent inquiry.
Police said a crowd of around 40,000 thronged Rabin Square in Tel Aviv. Many in the crowd, which spilled into nearby streets, were reservists who served during the war.
Organizers said they were happy with the turnout, though some protests against past governments have been much bigger.
Speakers complained that the army had been ill equipped and civilians ill prepared to face Hezbollah rockets that rained on northern Israel during the fighting. A total of 1,200 Lebanese, mostly civilians, and 157 Israelis, two-thirds of them soldiers, were killed in the war.
Protesters sent up cries of: ``Olmert go home.``
Spurning the calls from the demonstrators, Olmert told a news conference in Jerusalem: ``I see things differently.``
The prime minister has vowed to hold an internal probe of the war, under a panel his cabinet has yet to name. Israeli media said the cabinet was likely to put off a decision on naming the panel that had been expected today.
Among the speakers in Tel Aviv were leaders of both left and right-wing parties opposed to Olmert`s centrist Kadima. They formed an odd alliance of those who supported the war and those who wanted to end it sooner.
``Never has there been such confusion and contradictory orders issued in the handling of a war,`` said former defense minister Moshe Arens, of the right-wing Likud party.
Yossi Sarid, a former lawmaker with the leftist Meretz party called on Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz to resign. ``If you don`t return home on your own initiative, Israeli democracy will send you home,`` Sarid said.
Protest leader Eliad Shraga said, ``We hope to open the prime minister`s eyes,`` to force him to name an independent commission of inquiry headed by a Supreme Court justice to investigate the army`s failings.
#166 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2006 11:49:20 pm
Pls read #388 instead of #389 in the post below.
#165 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2006 11:45:41 pm
Re #160/161.
Pls see my #316 on YLH board and decide which interactor violated the interact policy. Was it the author of # 386 on the Bugti board or #389?
#164 by VRV
This is a bit more than just sectarinism out of religious zeal. It is a turf battle before Iraq is split along ethnic lines as per the original allied plan. Knowing this, each side is trying to expel the other from its claimed territory. The pilgrims are just innocent victims.
According to Juan Cole comments of 3/9/06, ``the hapless pilgrims have become ex post facto companions of the Imam (which is the significance of them being buried, as martyrs, in Karbala)``.
Pls see my #316 on YLH board and decide which interactor violated the interact policy. Was it the author of # 386 on the Bugti board or #389?
#164 by VRV
This is a bit more than just sectarinism out of religious zeal. It is a turf battle before Iraq is split along ethnic lines as per the original allied plan. Knowing this, each side is trying to expel the other from its claimed territory. The pilgrims are just innocent victims.
According to Juan Cole comments of 3/9/06, ``the hapless pilgrims have become ex post facto companions of the Imam (which is the significance of them being buried, as martyrs, in Karbala)``.
#164 Posted by VRV on September 4, 2006 10:01:52 am
Dear Zee,
I hope u r browinsg the pages of chowk.com.
Pl watch this Tom and Jerry comic video episode while waiting for your Heavenly/Hell Express.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4566450909896480167&q=Tom+and+Jerry
Pl come back as soon as u finish your reward/punishment.
Miss u here & miss your take on massacre of Indian+Pakistani Shia pilgrims in Iraq.
VRV.
I hope u r browinsg the pages of chowk.com.
Pl watch this Tom and Jerry comic video episode while waiting for your Heavenly/Hell Express.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4566450909896480167&q=Tom+and+Jerry
Pl come back as soon as u finish your reward/punishment.
Miss u here & miss your take on massacre of Indian+Pakistani Shia pilgrims in Iraq.
VRV.
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#162 Posted by masadi on September 2, 2006 1:04:57 pm
behram writes <<< Do you get it? For the love of your coreligionist please get it. >>>
What you don`t understand is that the author of that article you posted is deliberately (in the labels that he uses and the blame that he assigns) trying to present the opponents as the evil to begin with and the US as the good that is provoked into doing evil. Thereby he is trying to scare the non participants in this farcial war between the petty terrorists (the damn fools) and the higher terrorists (US) to give up their struggle against oppression and tyranny~ the real ``war``, a war for the existence of humanity regardless of label in which today over half of the population on earth is living worse than animals with unfulfilled basic needs. That is the war for justice and freedom and this farce that the US is busying the world with is a major distraction from that in which that damn fool author you posted from is calling for people doing the real struggle to lay down their arms. That will not happen and should not happen.
What you don`t understand is that the author of that article you posted is deliberately (in the labels that he uses and the blame that he assigns) trying to present the opponents as the evil to begin with and the US as the good that is provoked into doing evil. Thereby he is trying to scare the non participants in this farcial war between the petty terrorists (the damn fools) and the higher terrorists (US) to give up their struggle against oppression and tyranny~ the real ``war``, a war for the existence of humanity regardless of label in which today over half of the population on earth is living worse than animals with unfulfilled basic needs. That is the war for justice and freedom and this farce that the US is busying the world with is a major distraction from that in which that damn fool author you posted from is calling for people doing the real struggle to lay down their arms. That will not happen and should not happen.
#161 Posted by tahmed32 on September 2, 2006 4:08:24 am
GT: Greetings.
I wish I could applaud you for speaking out against censorship. However, a moment`s reflection should tell you that you are in fact arguing in favor of censorship. Let me explain:
On chowk, when a poster heaps abuse and ridicule upon another poster who says something he does not agree with, he is imposing his own form of censorship.
Think about this. Then come and talk to me about censorship and whose fan you are or are not.
I wish I could applaud you for speaking out against censorship. However, a moment`s reflection should tell you that you are in fact arguing in favor of censorship. Let me explain:
On chowk, when a poster heaps abuse and ridicule upon another poster who says something he does not agree with, he is imposing his own form of censorship.
Think about this. Then come and talk to me about censorship and whose fan you are or are not.
#160 Posted by GT on September 1, 2006 1:53:53 pm
Re: # 158
Dear tahmed,
Zee did misbehave with you and that is not correct. Furthermore, zee does not need me to defend him and neither am I doing so. But, through all his rage he, I think, was trying to get a point across, and that is (exactly what you say below):
``You are merely exploiting this disgusting posting to promote your own hate-filled agenda with which you regularly entertained us with on chowk in past years.``
I do not know where, but somewhere zee explicitly indicated who this ``You`` was. It was a jingoist Indian writer who used this picture in a rediff.com article.
I am no fan of zee. We disagree ideologically. But banning him is not correct, just like banning arjun_m is not correct. People (and very polite people at that) have expressed worse. Yes, zee did use foul language. But he claims he was induced by others to do so. Just as he induced stuka to use foul language. But guess what, censorship is not the solution. If you reflect on it, I think you will agree. Heck, I feel zee`s greatest fan is VRV :-)
Dear tahmed,
Zee did misbehave with you and that is not correct. Furthermore, zee does not need me to defend him and neither am I doing so. But, through all his rage he, I think, was trying to get a point across, and that is (exactly what you say below):
``You are merely exploiting this disgusting posting to promote your own hate-filled agenda with which you regularly entertained us with on chowk in past years.``
I do not know where, but somewhere zee explicitly indicated who this ``You`` was. It was a jingoist Indian writer who used this picture in a rediff.com article.
I am no fan of zee. We disagree ideologically. But banning him is not correct, just like banning arjun_m is not correct. People (and very polite people at that) have expressed worse. Yes, zee did use foul language. But he claims he was induced by others to do so. Just as he induced stuka to use foul language. But guess what, censorship is not the solution. If you reflect on it, I think you will agree. Heck, I feel zee`s greatest fan is VRV :-)
#159 Posted by tahmed32 on September 1, 2006 10:28:41 am
CHOWK STAFF: I am glad you finally took out zeemax`s disgusting posting. It took you some time though - which indicates that you are not actively keeping an eye on chowk postings to make sure individuals dont use this free privilege as a license for subhuman behavior.
A few weeks back you had indicated that you were coming up with a more effective method to ensure compliance with guidelines. Nothing has happened as yet. It is not easy to do this. Perhaps you should write up what you propose to do, then allow some brainstorming/`debate on chowk??
A few weeks back you had indicated that you were coming up with a more effective method to ensure compliance with guidelines. Nothing has happened as yet. It is not easy to do this. Perhaps you should write up what you propose to do, then allow some brainstorming/`debate on chowk??
#158 Posted by tahmed32 on September 1, 2006 10:22:08 am
Jay Thakeray: You point to zeemax and his admittedly disgusting postings of that picture of the desecration of a dead body. You ignore the pakistani posters who expressed their disgust. And use this as a convenient means to vilify the Islamic religion. This puts you almost on the same plane as zeemax. You are merely exploiting this disgusting posting to promote your own hate-filled agenda with which you regularly entertained us with on chowk in past years.
#157 Posted by zeemax on September 1, 2006 9:34:14 am
My challenge is to all and sundry if they can find that Patna photo. It is not on the web. It was removed by AP on the day it was posted because of pressure from Indian Government scared of damage to `shining hindia`.
#155 Posted by zeemax on September 1, 2006 9:18:58 am
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#154 Posted by zeemax on September 1, 2006 9:16:53 am
And where is that great `sadna`? No comments either?
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