Remembering a great Pakistani: Sir Zafrullah Khan

PS: The issue of Khilafat is not that Gandhi supported the Muslims... but that he deliberately promoted the Mullahs instead of secular leadership. It was deliberate and he had sinister motives... as I showed earlier.

Dear VRV,

You`ve not corroborated a single one of your claims. All you`ve shown us is that you are fully indoctrinated and are unable to move away from the lies taught to you... just like our Mullahs.

Anyone who has read the history of partition... knows that Jinnah was much more successful in stopping communal violence in karachi then any of the leaders. As for your comment about Direct Action Day... the number of Muslims who died at the direct action day were three times the number of Hindus... Congress deliberately resorted to violence to make the Direct Action Day which was extremely successful all over India a failure and to blame Muslim League for this failure... Sumit Sarkar quotes Sardar Patel`s glee at the number of Muslims killed... just goes to show that it was the top Congress leadership which was blood thirsty... the direct action day`s unfortunate result in Calcutta was the direct result of the blood thirstiness of the Congress Party....

As for your claim... Jinnah was not hardpressed to explain why Punjab and Bengal shouldn`t be divided... because it was logical (and if you don`t see the legal logic behind it its your fault) that the federating units realigned themselves around new centers instead of arbitrarily partitioning Punjab and Bengal.

Infact.. here goes:

1. Muslim League`s demand was based on federating units and their realignment ... not partitioning of federating units.

2. By partitioning these federating units... Congress defacto accepted the two nation theory`s implementation on a district level (instead of federating unit level) ... thereby opening up a pandora`s box. Please tell me why it wasn`t logical then to strip Hindu majority provinces of its Muslim districts? Thus Congress` stance amounted to hypocrisy.

3. Not satisfied by the butchery the bloodthirsty Congressmen had let loose on Muslims, Muslim League and Pakistan, the Congressmen then prevailed over people like Tara Singh and sabotaged a Muslim-Sikh agreement that would have given Sikhs an autonomous republic within the Pakistan Unit.

4. Therefore... not only the partition of 1947, but the violence of 1984, perpetrated by that daughter of Nehru`s , was also the direct result of Congress` machiavellian blood thirsty politics that it unleashed in 1947.

-YLH

Re: # 434

Manto,

This is the biggest lie from you that it was Congress that did the communal holocaust and the reason is partition of Punjab and Bengal.

Here goes ur understanding of the events, if u r not colouring them.

I read from ur old posts that partition of Punjab and Bengal is illegal and illogical. If that`s illogical then Manto is made of anti-matter! Even Jinnah was short of reason and words to explain to Mountbatten as to why he wanted the whole of the two provinces and now u say that it’s illegal and illogical.

Comic relief from u!

It was not the leaders who mentioned were blood thirsty but Jinnah was, no rhetoric meant. It was the FACT. In order to force Congress and British Govt to accept the demand of Pakistan, ML unleashed a trailer of communal riots in Bengal. The trailer was DAD.

You have gumption to sweep all these facts and putforth the mythologies of ML. Wha bhai Wah!

As for Khilafat I read the BS u were writing. Indian Muslims were the mentally tugged to the Arab and Muslim lands of superior race and colour. It was true then, it is true now. When faced with a situation of abolition of Khalifa and the unrest of Indian Muslims, it`s a normal course for any politician to side with the concerns of popular sentiments Muslim society.

Do u meant that Gandhi was supposed to hail the abolition of Khalifa. Are u a moron?

As an aside I wud give u a nugget. The recent invasion of Iraq gave rise to the feeling of Muslim brotherhood in India and elsewhere, nor surprisingly. What happened in Bombay was the creation of a volunteer force that was prepared to take the bullets and bombs from the invading Americans. When the shaheeds went there, they were laughed at by Jordanians and there volunteers came back without going ahead. This is the mindset of Indian muslims.

When a earth shattering thing like Khalifa abolition happened, it was a normal reaction of Indian politicians to give a call for such agitation that they feel wud help the larger Indian cause as well as a Muslim cause and that wud unify the people of other faiths rallying for Indian Muslims.

As for Jinnah`s ambition. It`s a well known fact that he wanted it. I quoted u once why he sought changes in India Independence Act that gave him sweeping powers. This was not so in India proper and I explained that u can trace the GHQ-gene of Pakistan to this act of Jinnah.

If partition of India is a deed of commonsense then it’s robustly normal that Punjab and Bengal provinces are partitioned.

If u think it’s against common sense, then u don’t have any. No offence meant.

Ps: You are right bhai ... ass type ``sarcasm`` is certainly not my cup of tea. But it is yours. Also ... are you saying ignite and incite are the same things? You are at the high point of your wit. Well done. What about that ``tailor issue`` that you are evading.

I`ll let you find out more about Zia Chishti... whose business models Indians are dying to follow...

Dear Harish Mian...

``Because with such flimsy evidence, you`ll be kicked out of the court within no time``

So you mean to say that saying that Jinnah was anticipating arrest and therefore sleeping on the floor - according to Time Magazine... is your evidence that you wish to bring to court?
Have you thought of what you are saying... So as far as being kicked out of court... looks like you have ample experience of that... But Patel gloating over More Muslims died is a clear example of Congress` glee over the turn of events in Calcutta...

As for the 5000 people who died... most of them died at the hands of Congress goons and goondas... whether you like it or not.

#436 by majumdar

I think Harish bhai had meant ignite. Anyways the important thing is that the man who burnt/ignited/incited Graham Staines is behind bars.

Majumdar bhai, please don`t confuse Yasser further. Common sense scares the sh!t out of him.

#435 by Yasser

Aww ... Did one of your co-workers tell you that incite doesn`t mean ``burn``?

Like I said, sarcasm is just not your cup of tea. It makes you look a greater fool than you actually are.

You still haven`t answered as to how Indians are trying to copy Zia Chisti`s business model (if you actually know what it means in the first place).

#432 by Yasser

Now I see that you are going back to direct action day ... where you know you never had an argument... except a regurgitation of lies... If a call for civil disobedience is a crime ... then the entire Gandhian movement was criminal because there was more violence because of it then any other movement.

One Chauri Chaura where Congressmen burnt to death 21 policemen inside a police station was enough for Gandhi to call off his non-cooperation movement and go on a fast unto death, yet almost 5000 people were killed in the days following Jinnah`s call to Direct Action and there was not so much as a squeak from the cruel opportunist.

The Gandhian movement was based on non-violence, yet whenever violence broke out, Gandhi condemned it and actively took steps to stop it. But what was Jinnah doing when violence was raging in Calcutta? According to the Time magazine, sleeping on the floors anticipating arrest. There cannot be a greater contrast between the two men. Only a man without a conscience would even think of sleep when members of his community were killing and being butchered in a violent campaign that started at his orders.

We`ve already had the DAD discussion, in which you finally ran and retreated when I proved to you that Patel was involved in the planning of Hindu Mobs in Calcutta where they mercilessly killed Muslims in great numbers... probably at Gandhi`s direct orders... I also produced evidence that there was no Muslim League involvement in violence but it was the Congress Goondas - including Ghulam Hussain - the great Muslim culprit- who had contested elections on Congress ticket only months prior to the Great Calcutta Killings...

So Patel gloating over the fact that more Muslims died is proof that he planned the riots? Are you sure you are a lawyer? Because with such flimsy evidence, you`ll be kicked out of the court within no time. And ``probably at Gandhi`s direct orders``? Sorry, but probably is not accepted as evidence in court.

I think Harish bhai had meant ignite. Anyways the important thing is that the man who burnt/ignited/incited Graham Staines is behind bars.

Regards

Harish mian #433

Aww ... Did one of your co-workers tell you that incite doesn`t mean ``burn``?

VRV,

Here is where you are wrong. The truth is that the communal holocaust was unleashed by the Congress Party, under the leadership of Gandhi, Nehru and Patel, by insisting on the partition of Punjab and Bengal.

As for greed... etc etc. Even Jinnah`s worst opponents admit that he was never power hungry and was always incorruptible and unpurchaseable... this is a unanimous view.

It was Gandhi`s personal corruption and greed for glory and to place Hinduism as the primary faith of India (``I am a Hindu first and therefore a true Indian``) ... that forced him to unleash the Khilafat Movement... his simpleton Mullah friend... Azad.. even declared
that Muslims should leave the subcontinent as it had become ``Dar-ul-Harb``... exactly what Gandhi wanted... to encourage Mullahs so that Muslims voluntarily ethnically cleanse themselves....

The blame for the communal holocaust lies squarely with those- the Congress Party- who forced the partition of Punjab and Bengal against all common sense... thereby allowing blood letting of the worst kind.

There is no go around it. These are the facts pure and simple.

#429 by harish_hyd

At least the man who incited Graham Staines and his accomplices (I think 7 of them) have been sentenced. Don`t you think its a much better track record than yours?

should read as:

At least the man who burnt alive Graham Staines and his accomplices (I think 7 of them) have been sentenced. Don`t you think its a much better track record than yours?

Poor Harish mian and his dilemma...

``but the fact is that around 2000-odd people were killed``

So 2000 is better than 3000 eh? 2000+ people killed in the 21st century for being Muslim is an example of Indian secularism? Brilliant. And that some how makes India better than Pakistan, where no such example of state pogrom exists...

As for the 3 million Bengalis... I am no fan of the criminal Pakistani Army but talk about exaggeration... the official Indian Army sources put the number of casualties of the entire conflict on all sides at 300 000 which included Pakistani and Indian soldiers and combatants....

Now I see that you are going back to direct action day ... where you know you never had an argument... except a regurgitation of lies... If a call for civil disobedience is a crime ... then the entire Gandhian movement was criminal because there was more violence because of it then any other movement. We`ve already had the DAD discussion, in which you finally ran and retreated when I proved to you that Patel was involved in the planning of Hindu Mobs in Calcutta where they mercilessly killed Muslims in great numbers... probably at Gandhi`s direct orders... I also produced evidence that there was no Muslim League involvement in violence but it was the Congress Goondas - including Ghulam Hussain - the great Muslim culprit- who had contested elections on Congress ticket only months prior to the Great Calcutta Killings...

But you bring it up again... because you need another dose of reality and facts it seems.

Dear Manto,

I expect u to write on String Theory and how that is being given a side track now.

Jinnah` s the world`s biggest evil ever that created this Frankenstein`s monster i.e Pakiatan by unleashing the biggest communal holocaust. (BJ prefers to call him vamop and pimp).

What Sarojini Naidu said (Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity) in a fond affection of him as a prospective mate doesn`t become a gospel truth of eternal kind! You keep repeating the phrase of a potential admirer of Jinnah (for she was ogling for him!) as if it`s an eternal truth.

Both the old foxes underwent transformation.

Jinnah`s life in entirety is an essay of personal greed for glory and attaining the imagined glory of Islamic India. He undid what he said in the form of speeches in the National Assembly in Delhi in 1911. For eg. need of the knowledge of Urdu. What he said was that god being the creator wud know all the languages of this world and wud listen to his prayers in whichever language he prays, not necessarily in Urdu or Arabic. In th end he took U-turn on this issue and included this point (14-points) as a charter of demands.

Like they say Christ and AntiChrist, there`s Jinnah and AntiJinnah.

#426 by Mantolives

I still prefer the hardworking Pakistani motor mechanic you mocked to an IITian Call centre worker like you... And no one is begging Indians to train Pakistani call centres... ever hear of Zia Chishti? No you must not have... but he was amongst the 30 top people of the People Magazine... his business model is something that Indians have been trying to emulate. You`ve been trying to prove something to me for many years now... but always end up whining like a cry baby... which is an insult to cry babies I must add.

One swallow does not make a summer. Just because Abdus Salam won a Nobel prize for his work in particle physics does not make Pakistan the hotbed of research in PP. And please provide references to your ludicrous claims. Just because YOU (especially when it comes from liars..er lawyers, one must always ask for references) say so, doesn`t make it any truer.

And do you remember the recent incident when your fiber optic cable got busted, you had to beg India for connectivity?