Saving Pakistan with the Constitution
Rozaiba September 5, 2006
#92 Posted by zeemax on September 7, 2006 10:29:55 am
#91 by HP
HP, actually NFC award is about 50% of the disharmony between provinces. It is the sharing of federal revenue between provinces. So far it has been on the basis of population for the previous six awards but now Baluchistan does not agree with that formula bnecause it has the largest area but the smallest population. The president has the power to amend it but consensus of all provinces is needed under the constitution to do that. So the matter is still hanging. Musharraf made some ad-hoc awards for Baluchistan through ordinance but nothing durable.
It`s always the money, right?
HP, actually NFC award is about 50% of the disharmony between provinces. It is the sharing of federal revenue between provinces. So far it has been on the basis of population for the previous six awards but now Baluchistan does not agree with that formula bnecause it has the largest area but the smallest population. The president has the power to amend it but consensus of all provinces is needed under the constitution to do that. So the matter is still hanging. Musharraf made some ad-hoc awards for Baluchistan through ordinance but nothing durable.
It`s always the money, right?
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#91 Posted by HP on September 7, 2006 10:05:44 am
Thank you Chowk Staff. People need to post smaller pictures and the picture size can be adjusted at the hosting sites.
Zeemax,
I really dont follow these things closely. So I have no idea abt the NFC award.
#90 Posted by chowkstaff on September 7, 2006 9:55:04 am
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#89 Posted by zeemax on September 7, 2006 9:19:33 am
HP,
What do you think about the 7th NFC Award? Should it be on the basis of population, or area, or contribution to federal revenue collection?
What do you think about the 7th NFC Award? Should it be on the basis of population, or area, or contribution to federal revenue collection?
#88 Posted by aslam644 on September 7, 2006 8:05:45 am
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#87 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 7, 2006 6:53:22 am
Aslam,
Most official Indian maps that I have seen show Mirpur being in India. :) Am I to assume that the Indian government is taking responsibility for the fanatics whose families are originally from Mirpur?
Most official Indian maps that I have seen show Mirpur being in India. :) Am I to assume that the Indian government is taking responsibility for the fanatics whose families are originally from Mirpur?
#86 Posted by aslam644 on September 7, 2006 6:46:55 am
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#85 Posted by Urstruly on September 7, 2006 5:41:22 am
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#84 Posted by MantoLives on September 7, 2006 2:49:56 am
I have been studying Malaysian form of government... and it is remarkable how they`ve managed to reconcile concepts that might seem opposed.
Yes there are Sharia courts.. but there is also remarkable religious freedom ... Hardly anyone will have any objection to the way Islam plays a positive role in Malaysia... As for your claim that they have a seething hatred for the US... ironic for a country whose largest trading partner is the US.
Yes there are Sharia courts.. but there is also remarkable religious freedom ... Hardly anyone will have any objection to the way Islam plays a positive role in Malaysia... As for your claim that they have a seething hatred for the US... ironic for a country whose largest trading partner is the US.
#83 Posted by echoboom on September 7, 2006 1:57:03 am
Malaysia & Iran; both Islamic; apply sharia and both have a SEETHING HATRED
for the United Satan.
They also happen to be most respected among the comity of nations.
Iran just produced & successfully tested ``Saiqua`` its 100% Iranian manufactured plane..better than F18. The Uniformed Langoors who sell their Amma to the first caller
are Zaleeled day & night; yet these lowest of the low show pride in their Slave dress, language & mannerisms. In iRan the highest level education is in FARSI..their mother tongue! They learn other languages for their OWN benefit; NOT to get Zaleeled for a few moments wagging at the white-house lawn.
Until & UNless a seething HATRED is developed & inculcated for the WESTOXICATED in the SLAVE Psyche nothing is going to change.
We deserve to be kicked around because we kick around those even one grade below us. One visit to Pakistan would reaveal that in a jiffy. Grade 20 zaleels grade 19; Brig. Zaleels col. ( their wretched begums also act in parallel) One living in Offence-Kaalony zaleels one living in PIB kaalony. Mercedez Zaleels Toyotaa. All I am trying to say is that an inordinate time is wasted & a lot of energy is expended in just letting everybody around the ``status`` of the person9 whatever that means). These brown-clones consider themselves ``Faariners``
as they intake Pakistani air. They are mental-citizens of their Master`s House.
All this discussion is fruitless, if it is inspired by WESTOXICATED ``education``. The first thing to do is throw out western non-education like pol.sci. Soc. & lileechurR types & exorcise the national psyche of this enslaving virus. Technical education & research however must be
glamourised , acqyuired, & promoted--so as to hasten the collapse of the WEST.
Here is what one who has no slave gene in him is doing. Let us follow this LEADER of muslims and ACT.
DUMP US-$Dollars and make US extinct sooner.
August 25, 2006
Former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammad`s Interview on U.K.`s Islam [TV] Channel by Yvonne Ridley: We Should Quietly Undermine the U.S. by Refusing to Use its Currency; Britain is a 3rd-Rate Power & Blair is a Poodle; Nasrallah Fights the Same Way for Same Reason as Bin Laden
The following are excerpts from an interview with former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohammad, which aired on the Islam Channel (U.K.), on August 23, 2006. The interviewer is former Sunday Express (U.K.) journalist Yvonne Ridley [1], who was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001 and who converted to Islam after her release.
According to the Islam Channel, its vision is to present the ``Islamic perspective`` and act ``as an interface between Muslims and non-Muslims to remove the misconceptions people have about Islam.`` The channel also intends to be ``the world`s choice among international broadcasters for authoritative and impartial Islamic information`` and to target the English-speaking Muslim community in the U.K., which it states is 1.5 million in number. [2]
TO VIEW THIS CLIP, VISIT: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1245.
for the United Satan.
They also happen to be most respected among the comity of nations.
Iran just produced & successfully tested ``Saiqua`` its 100% Iranian manufactured plane..better than F18. The Uniformed Langoors who sell their Amma to the first caller
are Zaleeled day & night; yet these lowest of the low show pride in their Slave dress, language & mannerisms. In iRan the highest level education is in FARSI..their mother tongue! They learn other languages for their OWN benefit; NOT to get Zaleeled for a few moments wagging at the white-house lawn.
Until & UNless a seething HATRED is developed & inculcated for the WESTOXICATED in the SLAVE Psyche nothing is going to change.
We deserve to be kicked around because we kick around those even one grade below us. One visit to Pakistan would reaveal that in a jiffy. Grade 20 zaleels grade 19; Brig. Zaleels col. ( their wretched begums also act in parallel) One living in Offence-Kaalony zaleels one living in PIB kaalony. Mercedez Zaleels Toyotaa. All I am trying to say is that an inordinate time is wasted & a lot of energy is expended in just letting everybody around the ``status`` of the person9 whatever that means). These brown-clones consider themselves ``Faariners``
as they intake Pakistani air. They are mental-citizens of their Master`s House.
All this discussion is fruitless, if it is inspired by WESTOXICATED ``education``. The first thing to do is throw out western non-education like pol.sci. Soc. & lileechurR types & exorcise the national psyche of this enslaving virus. Technical education & research however must be
glamourised , acqyuired, & promoted--so as to hasten the collapse of the WEST.
Here is what one who has no slave gene in him is doing. Let us follow this LEADER of muslims and ACT.
DUMP US-$Dollars and make US extinct sooner.
August 25, 2006
Former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammad`s Interview on U.K.`s Islam [TV] Channel by Yvonne Ridley: We Should Quietly Undermine the U.S. by Refusing to Use its Currency; Britain is a 3rd-Rate Power & Blair is a Poodle; Nasrallah Fights the Same Way for Same Reason as Bin Laden
The following are excerpts from an interview with former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohammad, which aired on the Islam Channel (U.K.), on August 23, 2006. The interviewer is former Sunday Express (U.K.) journalist Yvonne Ridley [1], who was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001 and who converted to Islam after her release.
According to the Islam Channel, its vision is to present the ``Islamic perspective`` and act ``as an interface between Muslims and non-Muslims to remove the misconceptions people have about Islam.`` The channel also intends to be ``the world`s choice among international broadcasters for authoritative and impartial Islamic information`` and to target the English-speaking Muslim community in the U.K., which it states is 1.5 million in number. [2]
TO VIEW THIS CLIP, VISIT: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1245.
#82 Posted by rozaiba on September 6, 2006 10:52:02 pm
Naqshbandi:
I have news for you Naqshbandi.
If you look at it, Pakistan since 1999 has functioned better than the various Islamic model.
Like in Islam, everything is allowed other than whatever Allah (swt) forbade. There are laws and legal rights etc. However, if Allah (swt) will it, anything can be changed.
Similarly, Musharaf (swt) has allowed much freedom for Pakistanis. Everything is allowed other than what is forbiden (like attempting to incite itchy junior Generals). There are legal laws (LFO`s etc.) However, if Musharaf wills it, anything can be changed.
So Musharaf is operating in the image of Allah.
I have news for you Naqshbandi.
If you look at it, Pakistan since 1999 has functioned better than the various Islamic model.
Like in Islam, everything is allowed other than whatever Allah (swt) forbade. There are laws and legal rights etc. However, if Allah (swt) will it, anything can be changed.
Similarly, Musharaf (swt) has allowed much freedom for Pakistanis. Everything is allowed other than what is forbiden (like attempting to incite itchy junior Generals). There are legal laws (LFO`s etc.) However, if Musharaf wills it, anything can be changed.
So Musharaf is operating in the image of Allah.
#80 Posted by MantoLives on September 6, 2006 10:47:29 pm
Rozaiba,
Why pre-1999... that basically keeps most of the Zia amendments and leaves out the Musharraf amendments... some of which were actually what democratic parties have been asking for all through out... the least of which is the fact that the constitution in its present form guarantees more than proportional representation to the minorities both through reserved seats and general seats... as well as giving as giving women a substantial representation- 72 seats in total- which I still believe should be increased further... Pre-1999 and post 1978 constitution meant only 5 reserved seats for minorities... and no confirmed women`s reserved seats.
Today- thanks to post 1999 amendments- ... in Pakistan, a Non-Muslim woman has - essentially and logically if not practically- three votes and three representatives to a Muslim man`s one representative. I tend to favor this arrangement as part of affirmative action which you and I know is the need of the hour. I say... take the mauled, raped constitution and put it to work .... as is where is basis.
We need to have a more clause by clause discussion here...
Why pre-1999... that basically keeps most of the Zia amendments and leaves out the Musharraf amendments... some of which were actually what democratic parties have been asking for all through out... the least of which is the fact that the constitution in its present form guarantees more than proportional representation to the minorities both through reserved seats and general seats... as well as giving as giving women a substantial representation- 72 seats in total- which I still believe should be increased further... Pre-1999 and post 1978 constitution meant only 5 reserved seats for minorities... and no confirmed women`s reserved seats.
Today- thanks to post 1999 amendments- ... in Pakistan, a Non-Muslim woman has - essentially and logically if not practically- three votes and three representatives to a Muslim man`s one representative. I tend to favor this arrangement as part of affirmative action which you and I know is the need of the hour. I say... take the mauled, raped constitution and put it to work .... as is where is basis.
We need to have a more clause by clause discussion here...
#79 Posted by rozaiba on September 6, 2006 10:46:00 pm
Manto:
Yes, there are many failures under democratic set-ups. And many counter arguments.
The choice though is between having a system that everyone agrees to with instutional supremacy or the current visionless, spineless rulers altering at whims.
Yes, there are many failures under democratic set-ups. And many counter arguments.
The choice though is between having a system that everyone agrees to with instutional supremacy or the current visionless, spineless rulers altering at whims.
#78 Posted by MantoLives on September 6, 2006 10:39:18 pm
Ofcourse the fact that an insurgency brewed in Balochistan during Bhutto`s time is one counter-argument.. But it is about letting the constitution work and grow... abolishing the concurrent list is a very good idea.
#77 Posted by rozaiba on September 6, 2006 10:33:41 pm
Raw_dust:
It would be a moderately englightening experience to read through the papers and clippings and watch the coverage from the late 1960`s to early 1970`s...
The Generalismo`s would likely be saying things like...establishing the writ of the state...no harm can come to Pakistan...Pakistan is a democracy...there is no danger to Pakistan...Pakistan is no Lebanon (though back then someone must have used `Vietnam` or some place like that) etc...
A film of course, is called for.
It would be a moderately englightening experience to read through the papers and clippings and watch the coverage from the late 1960`s to early 1970`s...
The Generalismo`s would likely be saying things like...establishing the writ of the state...no harm can come to Pakistan...Pakistan is a democracy...there is no danger to Pakistan...Pakistan is no Lebanon (though back then someone must have used `Vietnam` or some place like that) etc...
A film of course, is called for.
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