Has Hinduism had the Longest Tradition of Continuous Religion?

Look BJ .... you fake AH ... I know all your pretenses ... you`ve been pretending to be chow-staff ... I know exactly who you are ... just a small piece of turd ...

#215

Yaar, relax. My tummy is already full.

#213 by bjkumar

Are you threatening me?

Ok. Bj. I always had respect, and I respect this forum more than anyone else on these boards. I have principles which I do not compromise easily. Abuse and ridicule is one of them. When instigated till no end, when faced with abuse and ridicule from hinuds and co-hinuds like hamidm and tahmed who blame the victims for getting bombed; or hate mongers like the arjuns and the sidekicks; it has been a painful choice.

Now it`s chow-staff`s choice upon whom to let play in the field. Both sides or just one .....

#212 Zee

Yaar, I don’t know about stabbings, etc.

Just don’t like you BECOMING chow!

(No “k” in this one.)

#211 by bjkumar

Sure I listen to your advice BJ, but what`s this crap? You want me to leave and let these idiots insult me one after the other? Is that what you want? Do you want to stab me in the back too like chow(the missing `k` is intentional) staff did when it suspended me and handed the game to that idiot muqaddam who claimed the `daroga` was just `guiding` the medical student with a Lathi?

Is that what you want to do? Where`re you coming from BJ?

Noone can insult Islam. If Chow-Staff wants to allow insulting of Islam and Muslims, let them come out with it. I demand an answer.

Otherwise, I have an equal and unmitigated right to insult hinuds or whomever ... in equal measure if not more ...

#209, #210 Zee

Yaar, nobody listens to my advice anyway. But….

If I were you, I would get a glass of cold water and stay off this board for a while.

Go to Manto’s board or somewhere.

Chow-Staff,

These are very serious allegations on you. I demand an immediate response.

You actually don`t have to respond, but then please stop removing my posts, and confirm you will not do it.

Now chowk-staff, what do you think? Still want to change the ball or shift the goal posts?

#207``are we REALLY living our lives based on a cut-and-paste hoax inflicted upon us by a pedophile?``.

Shame .... Shame ...

Hinuduism is no more than `Alif Laila`` .... the story of Ali Baba and the forty thieves ...

#202 by HP

[The question should really be whether Hinduism can actually be classified as religion at all? ]

Most literate people know that the word ``religion`` can have many meanings. Therefore this is an eminently moronic statement.

However, Hinduism is not a ``religion`` IN THE SAME SENSE that Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. are ``religions``.

Hindus never named Hinduism ``Hinduism``. The fact that they have accepted this label indicates their mind-set - they are followers of an ancient tradition of observation and inquiry, debate and discussion - the Sanatana Dharma - The Universal Law or Reality.

Of all the people in the world, Hindus have gotten it right - cults and club membership do not matter - what anyone should be interested in are the deeper questions in life - about the Human Experience and the Universe we live in - not about whether you should be hacking off the tip of your penis. You can be an atheist or an agnostic and still be called a Hindu - it is an external label - it does not matter.

[To be a religion, it must have a single founder, a specific theological system, a system of morality, or a religious organization.]

Sez who?

[Thus the identity issue that ails very Hindu mind… ]

I think you should worry about the identity issue that SHOULD plague every Muslim mind - ``are we REALLY living our lives based on a cut-and-paste hoax inflicted upon us by a pedophile?``.

I deplore the obvious and blatant partiality of chowk-staff. This conduct reminds of umpire Hair who when the ball started swinging, stabbed Paks in the back.

Chowk-staff,

I don`t know what the hell is going on. If you removed my posts because of graphics (which were`nt that big anyway), fine I`ll resize these smaller and re-post them. But if you removed them because of attacking hinudism, well ... you forgot the content of #133 which excerpts I reproduce here in all their glory. Shame on you.

1) Is Allah male or female? Or is he neuter gender? If male, how do we know? If male, is he circumcised (or does he get a free pass)?

2) Do angels (e.g. Gibreel) have beards? Or do they shave? Are the beards white? Do angels wear clothes? If so, made of what? What about undergarmets?

Shame .......Attacking hinuds is not worse than attacking Islam by far.

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The question should really be whether Hinduism can actually be classified as religion at all?

To be a religion, it must have a single founder, a specific theological system, a system of morality, or a religious organization. Hinduism has none of it.

Where as the Hinduism consists of ``thousands of different religious groups that have evolved in India since 1500 BCE.``

To start with the religion has at least three known names:

Sanatana Dharma, ``eternal religion,`` and
Vaidika Dharma, ``religion of the Vedas,`` and
Hinduism -- the most commonly used name now.

Various origins for the word ``Hinduism`` have been suggested:

It may be derived from an ancient inscription translated as: ``The country lying between the Himalayan mountain and Bindu Sarovara is known as Hindustan by combination of the first letter `hi` of `Himalaya` and the last compound letter `ndu` of the word `Bindu.``` Bindu Sarovara is called the Cape Comorian sea in modern times. It may be derived from the Persian word for Indian. It may be a Persian corruption of the word Sindhu (the river Indus) or finally, It was a name invented by the British administration in India during colonial times.

The author claims that “Raja Ram Mohan Roy, in 1826, first began the use of the word Hindu to describe a religion instead of a name for the local people. Hinduism, as a religion, was only now born.”

So, the name of the people became the name of the religion and that too as for as religions go, is a fairly recent thing.

Even if we assume that Sanatana Dharma or Vaidika Dharma are the real names of the religion, then what was this “religion” called in south India or in east India as both names clearly suggest northern roots rather than any southern roots.

That would lead us to believe what south Indians were following was never Hinduism. We also need to realize that means of communication in India were so poor that probably many people living in North Indian were not even aware of people living in South India some 2500 BCE and for all practical purposes there was no one India per se.

Even if we accept that Hindu name was given by foreign invaders in the 1100 century or by Raja Ram Mohan Roy in the 19th century, what emerges out of both propositions is that Hindu is not a religion but actually a political entity created artificially for identifying a group of people. In this regard I tend to agree with the author that “This label, that tried to unify India’s numerous local religious practices, needed a common scripture comparable to a Bible or Quran and the Bhagavat Gita was clearly the best choice.”

Now look at it from a different angle:

The primary sacred texts of Hinduism are the Vedas: the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. The Vedas contain hymns, incantations, and rituals from ancient India. The Rig Veda (a.k.a. Rigveda) may be the oldest of the four. Estimates of its date of composition in oral form range from 1500 BCE to 4000 BCE. The Yajur and Atharva Vedas refer to the vernal equinox having occurred in the Pleiades constellation -- an event dating from about 2500 BCE.

The date when the Vedas were placed in written form is unknown. Various dates from 600 to after 300 BCE have been suggested.

So basically there is no recorded history of what is the bases of this so called religion. There are some books that could possibly be some known story books that have now become sacred books. No wonder Hindus have difficulty figuring out what their religion is.

Lastly, is Hinduism a polytheistic religion, a monotheistic religion or a Trinitarian (Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva) religion or is it henotheistic?

So many contradictions lead to just one conclusion that Hinduism is no religion at all but a hotchpotch of pagan rites that have been put together in one forced entity now known as Hinduism. That makes Hinduism a political entity rather than a religious entity.

Thus the identity issue that ails very Hindu mind…