What Osama gave Muslims

Wasn`t one moronic article on Usama enough on FP? Did we really need another one?

Excellent article, Mr. Shah. I join you as you reject Osama bin Laden. However, I would argue that Osama had never been a `noble fighter`. I would urge you to include in your criticism the ideology that promotes Osamas of the world.

Petro-Dollar funded Wahabism, stripped Muslims around the world of their local cultural and ethnic idioms and identities. Please examine language, mannerism, rituals, and other forms cultural of expression and you will see how a fanatical interpretation of Islam penetrated popular Muslim organizations, which until then had been moderate and tolerant.

Until 9/11, Saudi Arab enjoyed the closest relationship with USA, except for Israel especially after the discovery of the oil in the royal kingdom. With petro dollars Saudis began to spread their Wahabi state propaganda all around the globe by establishing Madarsas and mosques. Wahabis supported US in it`s war against USSR in Afghanistan. Their Madarsa`s provided cheap young soldiers with a militant tribal point of view directly in opposition to modernity.

Osama bin Laden was a mafios than and he is one now... he was just as cruel when he was fighting Russians.

Good going, Mr. Shah!

Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick

Why can`t we leave somebody alone who has been kept alive through Media?

I mean we know what he did and what he didn`t. What is the meaning of this article. All I could figure out was this adjective - `Most`

Why don`t we spare our pens and imaginations for something much better. Something that helps us and people around us.

Why don`t we delve on Deforestation and Forestation? Mr. Author, how many trees or at least seedlings have you planted per day after 9/11,2001? Huh?
How many pennies have you collected after 9/11, 2001 to help out poor people in your locality?
How much serious did you become after 9/11 to have your unchallenged intuition to be applied to businesses and sciences?
Rather you would have talked like the parrot endless hours on end on this Dummy character.

The thing we all lack is planning. And more damage on that is, people instantly become the offsprings of Media.

Osama resides miles apart in a place which is inaccessible by all and sundry. The God of Super-power with boasting technology to track down the match boxes is not able to locate one person is fallible and B.S.

For once`s sake, break out from the tabboo weaved by the media and politics. Enough of this ranting. Get your milk yourself baby.

I`m sure, when you were writing this, you were not even in a position to earn Rs.2 out there in the market. Can you? Muft key Mufti

Re: # 1 - Agreed.

Yeh sub Bush key Tattuu hein.

A very weird article!! What is your point?? You seem to be doing exactly what Bush/Blair are doing i.e. holding one man responsible for everything going wrong with the world!! You talk about how Osama should have worked for the welfare of his countrymen and the Afghans, why??? Welfare is not the responsibility of philanthropists or the third sector (ngos), it is the responsibility of the state and sadly in both the countries in question, the state is completely ineffective and uninterested when it comes to social welfare. So please stop blaming Osama and try to understand the dynamics of the global war on `terror`!!!

Shah Sahib,
I agree with your viewpoint about this curse on Muslims. Why do we have to produce such beasts from among us who end up devouring their own? UBL, Sadman Houston, Soodis, Mushy, Tally Bans, and the right-wing fundo whacko Sunni Wahabbi terrorist fanatics all need to be properly and publicly eliminated. The Tally Bans are almost dead, Sadman is getting his, Mushy is in line, the Soodis are going to pay for their sins, and Wahabbism will be buried soo thereafter.

On a positive note, the former President Khatami of Eye Ran is a pleasure to listen to - he is soft spoken with quick wit, great viewpoints, and a unique ability to respond well to criticism. The man is definitely a credit to Muslims. It`s amazing what the comibination of sincere religion and education can do. Too bad, the Sunni Mullahs have neither.

Dear Mr Shah,

Until and unless we do not condemn our own, Muslims have no moral authority condemning others for their misdeeds. To eliminate the spectre of religious extremism, religious monopoly and arabization of the Muslim world it is imperative that muslims of the world unite in their condemnation of Osama and his ideology.

Good article.

Thanks

I feel that when future historians are writing the history of the 21st century, the view on UBL will be very different...

...I think he will be seen as the man who woke the Muslim world from its slumber in the Clash of Civilisations..

Like the man or loathe him but it is impossible to ignore his achievement. He has changed the world forever by the act of 9/11 and very probably ensured that for the next 100 years the Muslim world and the West are on a collision course.

``A wise enemy is better than an ignorant friend``...

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It is very easy for a wise ass keyboard jehadi sitting in the west to talk big with a full stomach and an air conditioner on the wall. But what makes his ranting stupid and vile is that this lowlife hypocrite choses for himself a life of ease and luxury and then for his compatriot back home he choses the sufferings of poverty and war.

I would like to say to this kind that just like you did all that you could to secure a visa to the west. Just like you suffered the humiliation of standing in those long lines for hours. Just like you thought it was worth the effort. We here in Pakistan need a similar remedy. You are not the only ones who are in need of the wealth of the west. We here need its multinationals to invest in our country. We need its capital because we have an over supply of labour. These investments will create new jobs, yes jobs for the sake of which people like you left this country in the first place.

What this ``mujahid`` Osama did is that he has been and even now is trying to scare that capital away. The capital that we so desperately need is being shooed away by the mere presence of this vile creature. This is the worst that anyone can do to this region. To take away any hope of betterment.

So to all of you who think that this guy is the holiest of the holy just because he is making sure that women will never wear bikinis in muslim lands. Then you cowards should come back to Pakistan and live amongst us. Atleast suffer the consequences of your advice. Atleast put your children through the torture of Madrassah Haqania in Akora Khattak. Atleast pick up a gun and fight shoulder to shoulder with your taliban brethern in southern Afghanistan. At the VERY LEAST come and live in Pakistan. Come on be a man and walk the walk.

You know who you are, you are the one who begged your way out of this country and now want it to remain in the same situation, just so that you can feel good about leaving it when you had the time. Just so that you can make comparsions with your relatives and friends who decided to stay in Pakistan.

If you are proud of being Pakistani, then either come back to Pakistan or wish for it the same changes that you yourself have opted for. The Mullah here doesnt sound that bad when he talks of the vile ways of the west, he can say it because he is staying here in Pakistan. He can say it because he himself has never experienced that lifestyle. But you, the one who goes to pubs on every weekend, the one who lives in cities with legalized brothals. You should be the last person to agree with the Mullah.

You shameless bigot.

adamkhan,

Well said!

Are there any keyboard jehadis? Has the propagated Islamic Extremism anything to do with the miseries of the world? Aren`t we living in a world where there is a clash among the civilizations? Is there any way out of these two extremes?... lots of confusion here.....

M. Ali Shah:

An excellent and humanist article.

Lest anyone think you are extreme in condemning Osama Bin Ladin, his mentors, his cohorts and his supporters, let it be stated that your is a very moderate, modest and measured assessment. Actually he and his dfamers of Islam need harsher condemnation.

I have frequently stated that it is upto moderate Muslims to change the direction of politics, economics, and religion in the Muslim World. IT IS A MUST. I hope that this kind article is a start of sense among the Muslims.

Salim and rf786 please do not use radical language and so get eliminated from the expression screen. Maintain dignified and impeccable in language, your cause and desires are too important to fall prey to some skittish censor. I know you guys are frustrated with likes of #14, #13, and #12. You need to educate and bring up likes of #5.

You have a bounden duty to start a wave of sense among Muslims and restore the respectability of Islam.

Re: # 12
...i totally agree with you Adam Khan.