Terrorism is Nobody's Monopoly

Salim, 213

Please don`t interfere this discussion among men concerning missiles, launchers, and thrust.

That`s exactly why she got excited. Too much mullah watching on desi TV would do that to any woman.

#201, Please don`t interfere this discussion among men concerning missiles, launchers, and thrust.

“They were never used outside of 50 miles of Pakistan-Afghan borders.” #200 by HP


The diagram in post #208 confirm what I knew already. I never read the book, as I don’t need a book to get this info. I know these things by heart. However, I was not aware that they were also used on the other side of Afghanistan too.


#201 by sadna

I see Sadna agonizing over Javed Nasir… He is a complete idiot or I should say as idiot as most army generals usually are especially in the Pak army.

He was the ISI chief because of his rank in the army not because of some special qualifications. Chief is a political position and not an expert position.

You rarely or never hear abt number two or number three in the clandestine agencies. They are mostly the career people and they do all the work. The chief is just a face or for political legwork and expediting things.

Count the number of idiots that headed the CIA....Even Bush sr. was head of CIA...

bongdongs, 210

the debate is about how many launchers were supplied by US and used in Afghanistan in 85-88.

But why would the US provide 3000 missiles but only 20 launchers? What good are the missiles against the Soviet forces if you can`t use them effectively?

#209

the debate is about how many launchers were supplied by US and used in Afghanistan in 85-88.

bongdongs, 207

Stinger supply started in `85. Pakistan (probably with Chinese help) built the Anza, but it took atleast 5-6 years (early `90`s).

So what the heck is this debate about, that Pakistan has at most only about 20 launchers for 3000 missiles?

Mohammed Yousuf`s book has a good section on the Stinger deployment:

http://www.sovietsdefeatinafghanistan.com/beartrap/english/15.htm



Stinger deployment was tightly controlled, but it was not only close to the Pak border.

#206

Stinger supply started in `85. Pakistan (probably with Chinese help) built the Anza, but it took atleast 5-6 years (early `90`s).

bongdong, 197

the launchers are reuseable, but you cannot effectively use 3000 missiles with only 20 launchers.

What makes you think that Pkistan has not already acquired, ie manufactured, the launchers needed for the missiles?

#203

the system powers up and has to cool the seeker each time you attempt to acquire, how many times do you power up to (1) check whether its wokring (say weekly check) (2) training (3) attempt to acquire (4) acquire but loose lock (5) finally, acquire, with good lock and launch.

Stinger is a 30 year old technology. Iranians have recently tested anti-missile defence system, (released video); that should tell where Pakistan is at in missile technology.

``argon as coolant, that is the stuff that runs out first.

The wizard of absurdity,

After how many launch?

``this is technical stuff better understood by us macacas.``
Another one of those khasi rage type of statement....

even copy and paste can`t help macacas...

End of discussion...wasted enough time with an idiot...

#200

yes, I do agree that stinger use was tightly controlled and not more than few hundred missiles were fired. If I remember rightly the claim is that ~180 aircraft were downed by stingers (probably inflated figure). Mohammed Yousuf claims about 70% success rate, even if we consider a lower success rate, I doubt more than 300 were fired.

but even with all that, the claim of 20 launchers is way too low. I would say low hundreds, 100-200.

#129
``Re: # 126 ... Well, what can I say. This should give you some idea of the high priority sikh gurduwaras enjoy on the list of Pak govt... :)``

That it was considered high priority enough by Pak govt was seen by the speeches Javed Nasir made on the achievement of Khalistan. He also claimed that Vajpayee went to Lahore in 1999 simply to forestall his efforts to take over Pakistani gurudwaras and holy places. Once he was sacked from the job in 2001 or 2002, he went to court revealing his role in the militancy in Bosnia, China? and Indian Punjab.

His boastful triumph and bravado about the past and future victory of jihad and Islam over kafir states (including India) do not seem very different from Hamid Gul`s or say A Q Khan`s also for instance. So the question remains is Javed Nasir such a unique lunatic or are normal ISI-Army top brass particularly of Afghan jihad vintage just such lunatics by job description/requirement.

#194,

The use of stinger was highly controlled and supervised. They were never used outside of 50 miles of Pakistan-Afghan borders. Within a few days of first launch of Stingers, the SU choppers and small planes disappeared from the skies and basically the whole war turned the mujahideen way. Before that, Mujahideen were sitting ducks for Russian choppers/gunships and low flying planes.

I doubt that more than a couple of hundred stringers were fired in the whole war. The agreement might be for a large number of stringers and launchers but they were not needed, once the SU choppers left the scene.

#194

also HP, its not the tube life that is the limiting factor. The BCU (battery coolant unit) uses argon as coolant, that is the stuff that runs out first.

this is technical stuff better understood by us macacas.