Terrorism is Nobody's Monopoly

zeemax: if you wish to exchange posts with me, you will need to write like a grown up man first.

ABCD,

a newly revised Quran..

A newly revised Quran will mandate eliminating the hinud first of all ... because these are the lowliest ...

#369 by tahmed32

Abey tehmed .. the principle of `men` says ... once a `boss`, always a `boss`. You don`t make anyone a boss unless you respect him. If you do, then you`re only a self-seeker and a servant. A low-life.

#361 by tahmed32

[hamidm: Beg to differ again - contrary to what you say, the Quran in fact makes it your responsibility as an individual to think and act in a rational manner. ]

Yes, that would be true IF you cherry pick and ONLY take a few suras AND ``interpret`` them to your liking. Otherwise, the facts are blatantly obvious to anyone reading the Quran
- volumes and volumes of suras exhorting Muslims to unconditionally submit to the will of Allah (read Muhammad) and NOT TO QUESTION his words - OR ELSE.

However, a newly revised Quran free of this stuff (that you say doesn`t exist in the Quran) would be a welcome change for all of humanity.

Re: # 361

tahmed,

..... you said, ``the Quran in fact makes it your responsibility as an individual to think and act in a rational manner.``............ that might or might not be true depending on how you interpret gabby`s garbled message, but it is a fact that you do not see any manifestation of this koranic injuction other than in a few enlightened individuals like you and your sahaba .......... the recent fuss over the hudood laws in pakistan is just one example of how impossible it is to act in a rational manner in a muslim society based on the koran and sunnah ............and this problem is endemic from morocco to the phillipines .......... maybe we will do better with your new and improved version - i will be your first convert .......

#368 The only boss I have is myself. If hamidm is wrong, i point that out because I know he is mature enough to respect my right to disagree with him.

#365 by tahmed32

Yaar tehmed pai ... I thought he was your `boss` ... have you switched any bosses recently?

...i am afraid it will be destroyed regardless of the fact .... (Quoth Hamidm)

Hmmm .. I would have thought quite the opposite ... considering the events ...

Hamidm,

If you can still read Urdu manuscript, your comments on this!

hamidm: you are picking on low hanging fruit (zeemax). but ignoring the difficult to touch fruit (what i wrote). :-)

Re: # 363

zeemax,

.......... i read it, and got it - kaal is right when he says ``These flaws are simply too deep and too all-encompassing... ``......... and it will take a complete rethink and `rationalization` of the current islam to get rid of fundamental flaws that make it a particularly dangereous and violent ideology ......... if that doesn`t happen, i am afraid it will be destroyed regardless of the fact that god himself promised to protect it - and good riddance to bad rubbish !

#360 by hamidm2

Hamidm read the post below, even though your simplistic-dualist mind may not grasp it. But read it nevertheless. Thanks.

#356 by kaalchakra

....there is a reason why many people who deeply value liberalism have jettisoned blind liberalism...

And what is that? Do elaborate.

Like other religions, Islam has some unique strengths and special gifts, and like other religions, it has some unique weaknesses and special flaws. These flaws are simply too deep and too all-encompassing...

You`re getting there, but not quite. I won`t call these `flaws` but a radically different concept of nature of things from anything else which is rarely fully understood. When Pope quoted ````Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new``, he really didn`t know what he was talking about. There was certainly nothing new in the biblical stories repeated in Quran, but everything else was brand new and remains so.

Let me give you an example to ponder over the weekend. The Pope quoted ``Muhammad had brought the world only `evil and inhuman` things`` thereby implying use of the sword being somehow contrary to God`s nature. Let`s take `evil` for the moment..

In Christianity, Devil is the central embodiment of evil and an enemy of God and a powerful entity in its own right. In Islam the Devil has no power other than the power to discourage humans from obeying God; for God is supreme over all his creations and Devil is just one of his creations. See the difference?

If you grasp this, as I`m sure you would, we`ll take it on from there.

hamidm: Beg to differ again - contrary to what you say, the Quran in fact makes it your responsibility as an individual to think and act in a rational manner.

Re: # 358

zeemax,

........ i don`t want to get into an argument about which religion is worse - as far as i am concerned they are all odious and children should be protected against them ......... i was referring to this statement, which i think explains why islam is particularly odiferous, dangerous and violent in Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality ............ we see the manifestation of this lack if rationality every day - suicides, homicides, mistreatment of minorities, abuse of women and a schizophrenic fear of dogs and pigs .............

hamidm #357 I dont think Ratzinger nailed it on the head at all. All he did was prove what I have always said on chowk - mullahs are parasites who feed off religion, and all they can do is squabble with one another about whose religion is better. He just proves that whether it is mullah fazloo or mullah pope - they are no different.

Organized Religion in the west and Religious Organizations in Pakistan are about politics, about money, about immorality hiding behind beards and robes. They are the opposite of what religion is all about.