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Re: # 263
First of all hamidm2,mind ur language while talkin abt the Prophet(salAllahu alaihi wasallum)

Secondly,ur biased views abt Islam n the Prophet simply reflect ur ignorance abt it.Du hav ANY idea how women were treated in those times.He(Sallahu alihi wasallum)didn't hav 14 wives.The number is 11 or 13.Havin 11 wives isn't any backward than havin 3 divorces is modern in today's world.So,do good to urself,read the Quran n clear ur facts up b4 u post anything else so stupid n waste our energy.

Re: # 263
First of all hamidm2,mind ur language while talkin abt the Prophet(salAllahu alaihi wasallum)

Secondly,ur biased views abt Islam n the Prophet simply reflect ur ignorance abt it.Du hav ANY idea how women were treated in those times.He(Sallahu alihi wasallum)didn't hav 14 wives.The number is 11 or 13.Havin 11 wives isn't any backward than havin 3 divorces is modern in today's world.So,do good to urself,read the Quran n clear ur facts up b4 u post anything else so stupid n waste our energy.

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philosopher (#106):

What you said about rajm, also applies to blasphemy as well as adulltery. And this is just the beginning.

If you reject ullema’s views and choose to follow Quran instead, you are basically rejecting the very basis of Urstruly’s Islam. Take away hatred and fanaticism, and very little of ullema’s Islam is left …

Given all that, I am not sure what remains in Urstruly’s Islam that is praiseworthy. It has little emphasis on what Islam teaches us … but on extremism and hatred, disguised as Islam.

Re: # 406

Philosopher

So I take it that you agree with my views about the Hadees in question. But how can you dismiss it so lightly when the Paky Islam (Deen-e-Mullah) stands on this very Hadees which provides the very sword of terror to the Paky Mullah notwithstanding the fact that it tarnishes the very image of the Prophet (PBUH) as `Rehmatul Aalimeen) and seems to condone the worst form of sex-slavery. Above all, is it not the worst joke with the Islamic Shariah to convert it into a naked lynch law? It recalls to me the prophetic remarks about partition of India attributed to Moulana Abulkalam Azad to the effect that ``Bharat mein Musalmanon ka bura haal ho ga aur Pakistan mein Islam ka``.

I wonder if the very terror implied in the Hadees about the veracty of which you are doubtful is perhaps preventing you from discussing its very awfull implications as I had expected from you dear philosopher.

Re: # 405teshah

[ But mind the compilation of Sunnan Abu dawud is included in ``Suhaa Sitta`, the six authentic compilations of Ahadees]

Being in ``suhaa sitta``doesnt make every Hadith authentic.even sunnis do not considers all the hadiths of ``sahih muslim``and sahih bukhari authentic.

#404 sattar2

[After praising Urstruly, you`ve just stabbed him in the back]

i still praise urstruly.i have made one point very clear in my posts that hadith should be considered a source of general guidance not legal coz we are not 100% sure of the events and every hadith.these hadiths can guide us how prophet[pbuh]solved the problems of His time.

with the passage of time language gets corrupted.we have thousands of interpretations of even the Holy Quran which is the most authentic source.

Hadith literature has always been vulnerable in the hands of wicked people.they messed up with hadiths big time.

And i can never accept the hadith of rajam authentic for the simple reason coz its contradictory to the Quran.

Re: # 403

I agree with you. I consider especially this Hadees to be positively blasphemic as it negates the very image of the prophet (PBUH) as `Rehmatulaalameen`. But mind the compilation of Sunnan Abu dawud is included in ``Suhaa Sitta`, the six authentic compilations of Ahadees and the main basis for the lynchings under the Law of Blasphemy in Pakistan.

#403 ... exactly my point.

After praising Urstruly, you`ve just stabbed him in the back ...

Re: # 401

That`s why i think a lot of Hadiths are fabricated and can not be considered authentic.

Hadiths should never be considered the authentic source of islam.

Re: # 401

Aykk orr baolla budhaa, boy i tell yaa they are dime a dozen on chowk.

Re: # 4

A better alternative perhaps. But why don`t you suggest sex-slaves which can be beaten as you like and even lynched without any retaliation, if, of course, she is accused of blasphemy. See the Hadees below:

``Sunnan Abu-Dawud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother (A slave-woman bearing children but not treated as a wife?) who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.``

Abu Sahib,

Your silence on “rope of Allah” says a lot. Apparently metaphors are lost on you.

You think Issa resides above clouds … and that your belief is normal. Do you see the irony?

Let’s agree to disagree and move on. And we can pick this up again when your Issa-ibne-Marriam descends from the skies. Till then, ”to you, your faith, to me mine”.

Re: # 398
Now wouldn`t u be a peach and denounce Mirza`s lunacies as well. But you won`t cause that would mean that you are a normal human being with a brain and not a qadiyani, and thats just aint gonna happen, is it?

Abu Sahib,

Main problem here is your interpretation … where you fail to see meaning in metaphors and allegories.

For example, you think that Issa-ibne-Marriam from two thousand years ago will descend from the clouds, in flesh and blood. I beg to differ and reject this senseless belief.

Along similar lines, what do you think is ’rope of Allah’? A real rope hanging from above … or a metaphor for divine guidance?

And what about Prophet’s educational qualifications? I hope you see your hypocritical view …

The only thing you`ve exposed is your senseless interpretation, which is alright by me. Like I said, we can agree to disagree, and move on.

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I am glad you have cited your lack of support for crap preached by Maudoodi. Now, was this really so difficult??? (Urstruly must be having a heart attack ...)

Incidentally this shows how Islam has been distorted by your ullema and turned into a hateful, violent ideology. And therein lies the rub …

Here’s the result of your ullema’s teachings. I am reposting to refresh your delusional mind. Enjoy …

Quranic teachings on apostasy
Forgiven through repentance: 3:86-91
Harmless to faith 3:144, 5:54
Punishment for apostasy from Allah alone 2:217, 3:87-89, 4:137, 16:106

… and blasphemy
4:140 Believers commanded to sever ties with blasphemers
6:68 Believers commanded to turn away from those who blaspheme
13:43 Prophet (pbuh) commanded to refer matter to Allah if someone calls him a liar

… and adultery
24:2 Punishment of 100 lashes for perpetrator
4:25 Half of full punishment for slave women (half of 100 lashes is 50 lashes, but half of “death” is not possible.)

Ullema’s views …
Your ullema, on the other hand, preach that apostates, blasphemers, and adulterers should be killed.

… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

Re: # 396

So you can discuss maudoodi which i am not really supporting anyway, but you won`t discuss Mirza? Single digit IQ is still better negative digit *wink*. All joking aside my apologies for exposing you, your demanted religion and your delusional prophet, wasn`t my intention you just took us all there. Only if you hadn`t played that ``Look sunnis stole my candy, *baby-cryin*`` card i wouldnt have been this mean. You can take it, right? seem to have a thick skin, not to mention just overall being dense .

Abu,

As I have pointed out, you`d rather discuss anything and everything ... except hatred and fanaticism of your ullema. No wonder ummah is going to the dogs ...

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Let’s pick this up again … when your Issa-ibne-Marriam descends from the skies. Till then keep following your ullema … as they tell you that suicide bombing will take you to heaven …

Speaking of cab drivers without high school diploma ... what educational qualification did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) have? I hope you see your hypocrisy ...

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I admire your interest in Ahamdi-Muslims … but would avoid debate with someone with single-digit IQ (regardless of his educational qualifications). So I’ll repeat what Quran says … ’To you, your faith; and to me, mine’. I hope this advice would work for us both …

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