It is Never OK to Hit a Woman

#296 by philosopher

Yeah, but what if only one side has female soldiers ... then?

Re: # 297

I am also interested in finding out how did Quran reach us? Did Prophet (PBUH) video-taped it and fad-exed it to you and there was this donot temper tag that wasn`t messed with so you are sure about Quran. But most Hadiths that have reached us through the same hands are all of a sudden now false. If the sahaba or the tabayeen(2nd generation), or taba-tabayeen(3rd generation) were these thugs who made up ahadiths at whim, aren`t these the same individuals that documented Quran and did it not reach us thru the same channel that the sayings of the prophet (PBUH) did ? I would hate to rain on your parade but you are not the first person in history to figure out that there might be some infiltration in ahadiths, we as muslims accept that and so have our classic scholars. But to say with a sweeping statement that ALL ahadiths are false and thats why who ever denies ALL hadiths is ``DA_MAN`` and the rest of us are ``MULLAHS``(is this suppose to be an insult?) is nothing but retardation of the umpteenth degree. According to my understanding you might still remain muslim but will be a very very reatrded one.

My apologies for being away (some of us still have jobs) and how “BRAVE” of you haters to punch the air while I wasn’t around.

Zee Bhai, Thank you for remembering. I am still employed so I guess the project went OK. I respect your advice. But I refuse to have an intelligent, theological argument with people who wouldn’t be able to write a coherent sentence if there life was at stake. I don’t know HAMIDM personally (and thank heavens for that) but from the posts on the chowk do you really think that he possess bare minimum decency or brain-power to be indulged in a serious conversation. All I have ever heard from is rhetoric that he had her AMERICAN daughters translated from Daniel Pipe’s and Pat Robertson’s website. If you have a point of view shouldn’t you arrive with some sort of an educational argument especially if you insist that world should take you as an Einstein when in reality you are but a simple cab driver. I have nothing against cab drivers, I drove cabs when I was in college but what irks me about these characters is that humility escapes them like deodorant does to hindooss.

Just saying that Hadith is false and Muhammad (PBUH) was a false prophet shouldn’t be enough. And what an excellent point URSTRULY makes, if you are a hadith denier then how can you nag about Prophet (PBUH)’s Marriages, how do you know that he married at all (aap apnay hii daam mein sayyad aagaya)? If video evidence is the only accepted form of proof of everything then they should question their paternity as well because hopefully that whole saga wasn’t filmed as well, apparently they have taken their mother’s word for it.

I am not representing Islam here, all’s I am saying is that I could care else as to what or don’t you believe in. But Islam is what Allah SWT has revealed to the Prophet (PBUH). What I find amazing is that these morons deny the work of Scholars who spent their entire life working tirelessly to gain the knowledge that they eventually passed along. Go graduate from high school first and then lecture us as to what Islam is and what Islam isn’t. These people think that they are renegades, breath of fresh air if you will, niggaa please! People much smarter and far more eloquent than you have tried to stymie the masses about Islam and the tradition, no one even remembers their name. The names of our revered scholars, such as Imam Bukhari, Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik, Imam Hanbal, Imam shafayi, mujadad Alf-sani (Rahim Allah Alayhim) lives on. Let the haters hate, who cares just makes sure that you put em in their place every now n again.

Re: # 295 zeemax

yap.if on both sides are female armies.LOL.

Is it okay to hit a woman soldier in battle? Hmmm ...

Just wondering ...

Re: # 293 urstruly

where have qadianis taken the idea of ``promised messiah``imam mehdi from?

sattar

Something still doesn`t sound right. Please explain to me, if ahadith are fabricated, false, and erroneous then why they are on main Quadaini hub? If you people claim to be the harbinger of truth then why promote lies through your website? I mean these ``selected ahadith`` are not just few but they are literally hundereds of them posted under different categories. I gues you are still not telling the truth.

If any Pakistani, below the rank of General and NOT serving as CoAS, designates any person of an Ahmedi persuasion as a non-Muslim, he/she will have to contend with the full impact of my venomous retaliation. Let this be a warning to all munafiqueen, fitteen, and manure spreaders. :(

#289 {``We won`t let you force us to adopt your fabricated ways. No matter what you are not the owner of Islam. Or Islam is not your property. ``}

My favorite athlete on Chowk, :)
``Let there be no compulsion in religion`` - I believe that this is a verse from the Holy Koran and you have said it quite beautifully. People can speak for themselves, but they have no right to tell us how we should speak and what we should think. I support your efforts at running - especially when you are running the latter-day Muslim Pharisees out of the mosque. Thanks.

sattar sahib

You`re more than well come to join any religion you want. Islam is not a monopoly for some particular groups of people.

Same way any religion can be adopted by anyone if anyone wish to be.

Thanks

Religion and governance should be separate entities. Religion is your personal and private choice. We can not force our religions on anyone else...............

To all the mullahs on this board

You have hijacked Islam, spewing venom via your hatred against all others won`t make any difference.

We won`t let you force us to adopt your fabricated ways. No matter what you are not the owner of Islam. Or Islam is not your property.

Islam in it`s true form is just a religion, just like any other religion . Good if, people wish to follow it and better , if, people don`t wish to follow it.

All the best.

hasanmahmood #269/265

It looks like you have won this debate with these mullahs. Bravo.

I do appreciate your clear POV with out any confusion. But, hamdim`s concern is also acceptable , if, we see the Prophet(PBUh)`s multiple marriages in current times, we need to amend those practices, there is absolutely no reason left for such rituals.

Regards

Urstruly (#278):

As a Muslim I seek to derive guidance from examples set by our dear Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This is consistent with teachings of Quran, as I have understood.

In this context I commend the efforts of Bukhari, Muslim, etc. to document the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

It is conceivable that despite best human efforts, errors found their way in historical records. It is also conceivable that some ahadith were fabricated by people with ulterior motives, and were recorded unsuspectingly by recorders. A believer must therefore make an effort to not be misled by such ahadith.

Several such ahadith squarely contradict teachings of Quran. For several reasons it is inconceivable for me that dear Prophet (pbuh) violated teachings of Quran. I therefore reject such ahadith as invalid ones. Invalid here means … that either these ahadith were at least partly fabricated, or are missing critical details, thus leading to erroneous conclusions.

I hold Quran as the primary source of Islam. I wouldn’t hesitate to use Quran as one of the source to judge validity of a recorded ahadith. From here on, life and examples of Holy Prophet (pbuh) constitute an important part of Islam for me.

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Your views of Ahmadis seem to be rooted in irrational hatred and animosity. Such hatred hurts first and foremost the person who harbors it … by blinding him to truth, self-improvement, and reason.

Going back to your list … i, ii, iii … if I lack self-awareness, I wouldn’t know about it, so can’t comment. I am sincere in my views and I am not attempting to misguide anyone … believe what you choose to ...

I accept your right to consider me a non-Muslim. Life is too short to be spent hating, despising others. Pretty soon I’ll show my face of Allah Almighty and so will you. I hope I can account for my thoughts and actions without remorse … and I hope so will you. That’s all …

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Saleem (#283) … I concur and appreciate your sentiments. Silence at critical moments may constitute grave tragedies of conscience. And at times patience and acceptance are what is called for. I hope we can tell which is which …

#285 bjkumar sahib

LOL.............hahahaha

#284 Zeena

[BTW, I don`t like to be called(((POOR Zeena)), b/c I am a very strong and self sufficient woman. Not weak in any sense at all. Thanks ]

I agree. You are on record as being a marathon runner. I seriously doubt that mian Hamidm2 can walk unassisted to the bathroom!

#263 hamidm2

I truly understand your concerns about this issue regarding Prophet(PBUH)`s marriages.
Believe me I always have had pondered on this very core and serious issue.

Right from my childhood, I never accepted Prophet(PBUH)`s multiple marriages from the core of my heart. I always asked questions from so, called Mullahs and sadly I always had been snubbed to accept the things which are beyond my knowledge and there is always a reason behind those marriages.

Well, I truly appreciate (hasanmahmood sahib`s #269 and # 265 responses(posts). hasanmahmood`s posts makes sense.

But, also hamdim sahib, your concerns are valid as well.

My take on that issue is I will accept the idea that Prophet(pbuh) did those marriages for particular reasons as described by hasanmahmood sahib, but, it doesn`t mean that we let loose of ourselves in today`s day and age to follow blindly all those rituals which might be accpetable those old times.

Now, things are changed, we can question even Prophet(pbuh)`s actions with the light of our own mind and try to mend or change them for our current times.

Anything done by Prophet(PBUH)`s which can`t be applied today or which can`t be incorporated today, can be annulled. Why not? Well, our job is to reject all the fabrications and accept all the progressive actions.

If, these idiot mullahs can fabricate the whole religion according to their own wishes to harm human society and trying their best to regress muslims, then why not reject those fabrications and amend all those rituals in to the more modified, progressive and acceptable which can easily be incorporated in to current times.

BTW, I don`t like to be called(((POOR Zeena)), b/c I am a very strong and self sufficient woman. Not weak in any sense at all. Thanks