It is Never OK to Hit a Woman
Ahmer Muzammil January 17, 2007
#171 Posted by KaalChakra on January 20, 2007 4:12:18 pm
Philosopher sahib,
One question that you may ignore if it is too personal.
Is the chairperson of your doctoral committee a Muslim or a liberal? What about other members of the committee - any with a training in social sciences?
One question that you may ignore if it is too personal.
Is the chairperson of your doctoral committee a Muslim or a liberal? What about other members of the committee - any with a training in social sciences?
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#170 Posted by KaalChakra on January 20, 2007 4:03:36 pm
Easy, Beej!!
Getting upset is so unhelpful. Urstruly has an excellent point. Strong emotions, of love and hatred, defeat understanding.
And understanding is necesary no matter what your own interests may be.
Getting upset is so unhelpful. Urstruly has an excellent point. Strong emotions, of love and hatred, defeat understanding.
And understanding is necesary no matter what your own interests may be.
#169 Posted by philosopher on January 20, 2007 4:01:10 pm
Re: # 159 dear urstruly sahib wrote;
[The modern philosophical thought and Islamic thought process are at the opposite extreme of a spectrum and the reconciliation that you are suggesting is impossible]
i dont agree with you that both these ``extreme`` are irreconcilable.they are not exactly opposite to each other in the strict sense.In fact they are complementary to each other if we look into them carefully.
The problem with modren westren philosophy is that it has accpeted the skepticism.it no longer claims to have absolute knowledge.
the two main epistemological aspects of this thinking are ,reason and experiment[in the technical sense].they have accpeted that not only both of them are inadequate but the conflict between both of them is a basic of fact of our mental life.
islamic philosophy ,on the other hand, picks the thread from here.it already claims that reason and experiment[or acquired knowledge] alone can not give certain knowledge and thus incapable to solve the problem of modren mind.
it claims to provide a third epistemological dimension [Imaan]which not only reconcile both the dimensions but also provide a creative vision to look at reality.
Quran considers IMaan[imeediate comprehension] to be equaly important[along with reason and experiment]in unraveling the mystery of being.
Quranic epistemology is the mixture of all three dimension.Quran never undermines the faculty of reason and experiment,in fact it exhorts man to use these faculties.
Quran is against any kind of blind faith.Imaan is not same as ``belief``.imaan is a living assurance of being.
we can learn so much from westren thinking but only if we reconcile them according to islamic temperament.coz westren thinking uncertan and inadequate.
but i think we can formulate it in such a way which wont be harmfull to our faith,in fact it would make islamic thinking more accpetable to the westren mind which is desparatly looking for a epistemology which is able to recocile all those facters in one system.
we know islam is exactly that but we will have to present it in their own terminologies.
regards
[The modern philosophical thought and Islamic thought process are at the opposite extreme of a spectrum and the reconciliation that you are suggesting is impossible]
i dont agree with you that both these ``extreme`` are irreconcilable.they are not exactly opposite to each other in the strict sense.In fact they are complementary to each other if we look into them carefully.
The problem with modren westren philosophy is that it has accpeted the skepticism.it no longer claims to have absolute knowledge.
the two main epistemological aspects of this thinking are ,reason and experiment[in the technical sense].they have accpeted that not only both of them are inadequate but the conflict between both of them is a basic of fact of our mental life.
islamic philosophy ,on the other hand, picks the thread from here.it already claims that reason and experiment[or acquired knowledge] alone can not give certain knowledge and thus incapable to solve the problem of modren mind.
it claims to provide a third epistemological dimension [Imaan]which not only reconcile both the dimensions but also provide a creative vision to look at reality.
Quran considers IMaan[imeediate comprehension] to be equaly important[along with reason and experiment]in unraveling the mystery of being.
Quranic epistemology is the mixture of all three dimension.Quran never undermines the faculty of reason and experiment,in fact it exhorts man to use these faculties.
Quran is against any kind of blind faith.Imaan is not same as ``belief``.imaan is a living assurance of being.
we can learn so much from westren thinking but only if we reconcile them according to islamic temperament.coz westren thinking uncertan and inadequate.
but i think we can formulate it in such a way which wont be harmfull to our faith,in fact it would make islamic thinking more accpetable to the westren mind which is desparatly looking for a epistemology which is able to recocile all those facters in one system.
we know islam is exactly that but we will have to present it in their own terminologies.
regards
#168 Posted by Urstruly on January 20, 2007 3:46:40 pm
Re: # 165
I wish you peace, tranquility, and guidance. Please calm down, anger is the most self-destructive of human emotion. I pray that may Allah save you from your anger. I you think, that we Muslims are doing something wrong, then help us understand. The great Muslim jurist Abu Hanifa once said: I know that you are wrong but there is chance that you might be right and I know I am right but there is a chance that I might be wrong.
I wish you peace, tranquility, and guidance. Please calm down, anger is the most self-destructive of human emotion. I pray that may Allah save you from your anger. I you think, that we Muslims are doing something wrong, then help us understand. The great Muslim jurist Abu Hanifa once said: I know that you are wrong but there is chance that you might be right and I know I am right but there is a chance that I might be wrong.
#167 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:42:30 pm
These sala fundos....
They stone their women!
Cut off their clioris!
Then show up here to lecture on the virtues of beating them up!
Kuttey kahin ke!
#166 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:39:22 pm
Kaal,
Do you EVER stop kissing ass of these fundos?!
It is not worth it, I tell you!
It only makes you look like a nincompoop!
POOP, I said!
#165 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:37:29 pm
#161 Trully mian
I am THROUGH being nice to creepy fundos like you! I am going to tell you and your two-bit chelas exactly like it is!
Just because that woman`s mind has been screwed up by the likes of you just as the body of countless Muslim women was screwed by opportunistic males (hot penis-wallas) as per your sanction does not mean that the rest of the world can merely watch without telling you like it is!
#164 Posted by KaalChakra on January 20, 2007 3:33:09 pm
Uh uh, Beej? :(
saimarana, you will need to be patient, lady. Even takeninhand is a very new website. And most humanists have absolutely no clue about what so many men and women really desire.
saimarana, you will need to be patient, lady. Even takeninhand is a very new website. And most humanists have absolutely no clue about what so many men and women really desire.
#163 Posted by Saroya on January 20, 2007 3:32:43 pm
Re: # 139
So tell me how do you rise above it all?
So tell me how do you rise above it all?
#162 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:32:30 pm
#158
And no amount of kissing the ass of the automated computer program called ``chowk staff`` will change anything!
#161 Posted by Urstruly on January 20, 2007 3:30:34 pm
Re: # 158
Please do not mind him. His was a typical hidu-loser response. THis should tell you the collosal challenge we as Muslims have to face to bring humanity out of darkness, ignorance and petulance and show them Light. Please be patient and composed.
Please do not mind him. His was a typical hidu-loser response. THis should tell you the collosal challenge we as Muslims have to face to bring humanity out of darkness, ignorance and petulance and show them Light. Please be patient and composed.
#160 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:25:51 pm
#158
Listen moron,
You ain`t no woman!
I don`t care what you carry (or lack) between those legs!
You are ``screwed up``, that`s all!
I am sure you lack everything between those ears - or you would not be making asinine half-hearted futile attempts at defending the indefensible!
#159 Posted by Urstruly on January 20, 2007 3:22:15 pm
Re: # 152 Philosopher
The modern philosophical thought and Islamic thought process are at the opposite extreme of a spectrum and the reconciliation that you are suggesting is impossible. The modern philosophical thought is based on the premis that there is no absolute truth whereas Islamic philosophical thought is based on one premis that there is One Absolute Truth. This truth is irrefutable, immutable, and non-falacious, that is One God - Tauheed. The natural consequence of western or modern philosophical thought process is the challenge that why man should or could be good without God. All the works of Nietcze, Kant, Hume, Hagel, and many more serch for the reason to be good without God. Man is confused than ever. If today you ask a so called humanist, why you are good, he would point to an already existent religious value and say that he is good because that value is good. Lets face it, he cannot answer ``why`` he is good and how long is he gonna be so. On the other hand in Islamic philosophical thought process once you accept the One Absolute Truth, everything falls in its place. How can you reconcile fire and water??
The modern philosophical thought and Islamic thought process are at the opposite extreme of a spectrum and the reconciliation that you are suggesting is impossible. The modern philosophical thought is based on the premis that there is no absolute truth whereas Islamic philosophical thought is based on one premis that there is One Absolute Truth. This truth is irrefutable, immutable, and non-falacious, that is One God - Tauheed. The natural consequence of western or modern philosophical thought process is the challenge that why man should or could be good without God. All the works of Nietcze, Kant, Hume, Hagel, and many more serch for the reason to be good without God. Man is confused than ever. If today you ask a so called humanist, why you are good, he would point to an already existent religious value and say that he is good because that value is good. Lets face it, he cannot answer ``why`` he is good and how long is he gonna be so. On the other hand in Islamic philosophical thought process once you accept the One Absolute Truth, everything falls in its place. How can you reconcile fire and water??
#158 Posted by saimarana on January 20, 2007 3:21:56 pm
Re: # 156 bjkhumar wrote;
``[Dear dumbass Muslim-Atrocity-apologist!] [who can not get your ass moving one inch]
[Read ars-hole ...READ!] [And then go screw yourself!]``
i guess chowk staff has stoped reading the interacts.if this crap is acceptable for the chowk staff than there is no need to delete any post in future.
this guy claims to be champion of woman`s right but look, how vulgur language he is using for a woman.
``[Dear dumbass Muslim-Atrocity-apologist!] [who can not get your ass moving one inch]
[Read ars-hole ...READ!] [And then go screw yourself!]``
i guess chowk staff has stoped reading the interacts.if this crap is acceptable for the chowk staff than there is no need to delete any post in future.
this guy claims to be champion of woman`s right but look, how vulgur language he is using for a woman.
#157 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:21:50 pm
A society that does not treat its women right is a society that is destined to stay mired in filth and mud forever!
#156 Posted by bjkumar on January 20, 2007 3:14:45 pm
#155
Dear dumbass Muslim-Atrocity-apologist!
Since you are, in all likelihood, an absolute moron - perhaps even a chowk fat-cat - not to mention an utterly ludicrous piece of sheet who can not get your ass moving one inch without dragging the Book with it and perhaps one who can not read a word of text unless interpreted by a Mullah ... let me repeat parts of #153 for the benefit of you and all the other utterly moronic fixtures of this chowk den who lie to themselves that they are ``intellectuals``!
From #153
[...No amount of “we are the victim”, or “you got problems, too”, or “it is a conspiracy to defame Islam” can change that simple fact. ....]
Read ars-hole ...READ!
I SAID READ!!!!
And then go screw yourself!
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