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philosopher (#106):

What you said about rajm, also applies to blasphemy as well as adulltery. And this is just the beginning.

If you reject ullema’s views and choose to follow Quran instead, you are basically rejecting the very basis of Urstruly’s Islam. Take away hatred and fanaticism, and very little of ullema’s Islam is left …

Given all that, I am not sure what remains in Urstruly’s Islam that is praiseworthy. It has little emphasis on what Islam teaches us … but on extremism and hatred, disguised as Islam.

#403 ... exactly my point.

After praising Urstruly, you`ve just stabbed him in the back ...

Abu Sahib,

Your silence on “rope of Allah” says a lot. Apparently metaphors are lost on you.

You think Issa resides above clouds … and that your belief is normal. Do you see the irony?

Let’s agree to disagree and move on. And we can pick this up again when your Issa-ibne-Marriam descends from the skies. Till then, ”to you, your faith, to me mine”.

Abu Sahib,

Main problem here is your interpretation … where you fail to see meaning in metaphors and allegories.

For example, you think that Issa-ibne-Marriam from two thousand years ago will descend from the clouds, in flesh and blood. I beg to differ and reject this senseless belief.

Along similar lines, what do you think is ’rope of Allah’? A real rope hanging from above … or a metaphor for divine guidance?

And what about Prophet’s educational qualifications? I hope you see your hypocritical view …

The only thing you`ve exposed is your senseless interpretation, which is alright by me. Like I said, we can agree to disagree, and move on.

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I am glad you have cited your lack of support for crap preached by Maudoodi. Now, was this really so difficult??? (Urstruly must be having a heart attack ...)

Incidentally this shows how Islam has been distorted by your ullema and turned into a hateful, violent ideology. And therein lies the rub …

Here’s the result of your ullema’s teachings. I am reposting to refresh your delusional mind. Enjoy …

Quranic teachings on apostasy
Forgiven through repentance: 3:86-91
Harmless to faith 3:144, 5:54
Punishment for apostasy from Allah alone 2:217, 3:87-89, 4:137, 16:106

… and blasphemy
4:140 Believers commanded to sever ties with blasphemers
6:68 Believers commanded to turn away from those who blaspheme
13:43 Prophet (pbuh) commanded to refer matter to Allah if someone calls him a liar

… and adultery
24:2 Punishment of 100 lashes for perpetrator
4:25 Half of full punishment for slave women (half of 100 lashes is 50 lashes, but half of “death” is not possible.)

Ullema’s views …
Your ullema, on the other hand, preach that apostates, blasphemers, and adulterers should be killed.

… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

Re: # 398
Now wouldn`t u be a peach and denounce Mirza`s lunacies as well. But you won`t cause that would mean that you are a normal human being with a brain and not a qadiyani, and thats just aint gonna happen, is it?

Abu,

As I have pointed out, you`d rather discuss anything and everything ... except hatred and fanaticism of your ullema. No wonder ummah is going to the dogs ...

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Let’s pick this up again … when your Issa-ibne-Marriam descends from the skies. Till then keep following your ullema … as they tell you that suicide bombing will take you to heaven …

Speaking of cab drivers without high school diploma ... what educational qualification did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) have? I hope you see your hypocrisy ...

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I admire your interest in Ahamdi-Muslims … but would avoid debate with someone with single-digit IQ (regardless of his educational qualifications). So I’ll repeat what Quran says … ’To you, your faith; and to me, mine’. I hope this advice would work for us both …

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Back to Maudoodi ... What, no?

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So you can discuss maudoodi which i am not really supporting anyway, but you won`t discuss Mirza? Single digit IQ is still better negative digit *wink*. All joking aside my apologies for exposing you, your demanted religion and your delusional prophet, wasn`t my intention you just took us all there. Only if you hadn`t played that ``Look sunnis stole my candy, *baby-cryin*`` card i wouldnt have been this mean. You can take it, right? seem to have a thick skin, not to mention just overall being dense .

Abu,

You idiot, it is a metaphor … which simply suggested a future prophet who will be to ummah like Issa-ibne-Marriam was to his people. Whether Mirza Sahib is that prophet or not, is a different issue altogether.

You on the other hand think that Issa-ibne-Marriam from two thousand years ago will descend from the skies, in flesh and blood.

Keep believing in fairy tales … even as you lick your ullema’s boots …

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No comments on Maudoodi? I know it may actually require you to think ... don`t hurt yourself in process ...

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Getting mad are we? hahahahaha. Calm down man. Thank you for reading Prophet`s (PBUH) mind for us. So what is it now, is Mirza a prophet or the messiah, or a mere reviver, tell us mr. science? I find it amazing, cab drivers who don`t even have a high school diploma are now reading Prophet`s (PBUH) mind and declaring the original statement as a metaphor (i must commend you for the big word, however, good job.) while believing in dillusional stories from Donald duck. This doesnt have to get ugly, but it will cause you don`t have any concrete evidence of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed qadiyani, and you know that i`ll keep insisting on it so your resortation to frustration and personal insults are quite comprehensible.

abu miaN,

Here’s another gem from Maulana Maudoodi (in addition to #379, #354 and #353 ... all of which you have remained silent on).

Of course, you’d insist that `he was simply a human who may have erred … no big deal`. ``Nonsense``, I say to your lame excuse.

This touches upon issue of propagation you raised earlier. If these are your ullema, it well explains ummah’s fanaticism.

More on apostasy - from Maudoodi …

“In our domain we neither allow any Muslim to change his religion nor allow any other religion to propagate its faith”

And

“The execution of apostates has already decided the issue. Since we do not allow any Muslim to embrace any other religion, the question of allowing other religions to open their missions and propagate their faiths within our boundaries does not rise.”

Maudoodi, Murtad Ki Saza Islami Qanoon Mein (“Punishment for Apostates in Islamic Law”), Lahore: Islamic Publications Ltd, 1981, 8th edition, page 32.

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This is the ugly face of your ullema and what they preach. No wonder Maudoodi is a personal fav of mullah Urstruly here ...

... no wonder ummah is going to the dogs ...

abu Sahib (#390),

Fanaticism preached by your ullema speaks for itself. And you are unable to defend it, even as you lick their boots.

You made excuses for your ullema … suggesting they are merely humans who erred. We both know your excuses are sheer nonsense. Such is the sad state of your Islam.

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I’ll give you a clue, an easy one: Ahadith about reappearance of ‘Issa-ibne-Marriam’ are actually prophecies about appearance of a prophet among Muslims … who will bear spiritual resemblance to Issa-ibne-Marriam (pbuh).

Now, you may argue that the same Issa-ibne-Marriam from two thousand years ago will reappear in flesh and blood from above clouds (something even Urstruly finds too embarrassing to admit). That’s your view, which I am OK with. Furthermore, nothing in Quran or ahadith suggests an end of prophethood.

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If you have serious inquiries, I can respond. If you want to start a spitting contest, I must decline.

Perhaps you should start by reviewing what Maudooi has written. If it does not open your eyes, then you are hopeless ...

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No, never, it’s not Jesus (PBUH), how can that be, that’s preposterous, when Prophet (PBUH) said Jesus (PBUH) son of Mary (PBUH) WHAT he ACTUALLY meant was Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani son of God knows who, because obviously this is twilight zone, that makes perfect sense sattar, I am blown over. Everything you have said now makes perfect sense. Thank You dear dir. Nothing any scholar say is a “hujjat” (justification) for me, Quran and authentic hadith is what I believe in, although I do respect all scholars, but it doesn’t mean I agree with everything that they say, that should shut u up about Maulanan Maudoodi that you seem to be infatuated with.

Serious discussion? With you? Are you kidding. Expalin Mirza’s delusions from Quran and authentic hadith (and this time something a lil more sane than Jesus (PBUH) son of Mary actually meant Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani) first and then expect people to take you seriously, as I said earlier you are getting a lil ahead of yourself here.

OUCH!! So all of a sudden the polite Qadiyani is resorting to name calling. Don’t get Mad sattar sahib, I’ll do everything that you are asking me to do as soon as you show me and I quote “Quran and ahadith support continuation of prophethood”. The fact of the matter is that you can’t. How can you? If Mirza himself couldn’t do it and became a laughing stock not only in his lifetime but till the end of time, then you don’t even have a prayer. Go sell crazy somewhere else sattariya. You would have had the right to nag about Ullema’s distorting Quran and Sunnah only if you didn’t believe in a loonie-toon who first claimed to be Prophet, when that didn’t fly, he said I am a messiah, that didn’t even stick so he was like OK can I at least be a reviver? Your sincerity about the misdirection of ummah will start making sense as soon as you dump Mirza as your savior, till then you should have regular appointments with the head-doctor instead of worrying about mine.

abu-safwaan,

You need to get your head examined.

I stated that Quran and ahadith support continuation of prophethood. I did not claim that they mention Mirza Sahib by name as the next prophet.

Cut out the drama and try not to behave like a retard.

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You are avoiding crux of the issue here.

When shown hatred and fanaticism of your ullema, your tried to make excuses by suggesting they are simply human who may have erred.

That was a lame, pathetic response.

If people refuse to shun hatred and violence, even Quran or Prophet Muhamamd (pbuh) cannot help them. Rembmer that Quran mentions people whose hearts have been sealed up. Furthermore there is ... `to you, your faith, to me, mine` teaching of Quran.

Take a deep breath, pal. Ummah`s fate rests in their own hands. People like you are pissing it all away ...

... business is not a problem.
It is sheer idiocy that does you in each time …