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#285 bjkumar sahib

LOL.............hahahaha

#284 Zeena

[BTW, I don`t like to be called(((POOR Zeena)), b/c I am a very strong and self sufficient woman. Not weak in any sense at all. Thanks ]

I agree. You are on record as being a marathon runner. I seriously doubt that mian Hamidm2 can walk unassisted to the bathroom!

#263 hamidm2

I truly understand your concerns about this issue regarding Prophet(PBUH)`s marriages.
Believe me I always have had pondered on this very core and serious issue.

Right from my childhood, I never accepted Prophet(PBUH)`s multiple marriages from the core of my heart. I always asked questions from so, called Mullahs and sadly I always had been snubbed to accept the things which are beyond my knowledge and there is always a reason behind those marriages.

Well, I truly appreciate (hasanmahmood sahib`s #269 and # 265 responses(posts). hasanmahmood`s posts makes sense.

But, also hamdim sahib, your concerns are valid as well.

My take on that issue is I will accept the idea that Prophet(pbuh) did those marriages for particular reasons as described by hasanmahmood sahib, but, it doesn`t mean that we let loose of ourselves in today`s day and age to follow blindly all those rituals which might be accpetable those old times.

Now, things are changed, we can question even Prophet(pbuh)`s actions with the light of our own mind and try to mend or change them for our current times.

Anything done by Prophet(PBUH)`s which can`t be applied today or which can`t be incorporated today, can be annulled. Why not? Well, our job is to reject all the fabrications and accept all the progressive actions.

If, these idiot mullahs can fabricate the whole religion according to their own wishes to harm human society and trying their best to regress muslims, then why not reject those fabrications and amend all those rituals in to the more modified, progressive and acceptable which can easily be incorporated in to current times.

BTW, I don`t like to be called(((POOR Zeena)), b/c I am a very strong and self sufficient woman. Not weak in any sense at all. Thanks

{``#274 by Urstruly on January 22, 2007 12:44pm PT
Re: # 273

No one is asking you to take anyone seriously since you are a non-muslim. You worry about your own religion and let us worry about ours.``}

Janaab Brother Urstruly,
I take Sattar Sahib seriously as a Muslim. AND I am not no one. :(

Yesterday they kicked out the Ahmedis and I stayed quiet
Then they kicked out the Smileys and I stayed quiet
Then they came for the Asna Ashuri Shias and I pretended to be Hanafi Sunni Muslim
Then the damned Wahabbis kicked out the Hanafis and no one dared to speak up.

Sattar Bhai, don`t worry my brother, I welcome you as a Muslim and will protect your right to be called one. So let it be written, so let it be said - despite what Bhutto said.

Re #276,

I blieve in Islam, without fairy-tale ideas of your ullema. Apparently this is causing you a lot of heartaches.

Do explain Issa-in-the-sky, water flowing from the Prophet`s fingers ... etc. Refer to #112 for some ``miracles of Prophet (pbuh)`` ... as recorded in ahadith and understood by your ullema. That`s pretty fancy stuff ...

It seems you have nothing intelligent to add to this topic.

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You continue to evade or blow smoke on ``talking ants`` issue. Your views remain senseless and unsubstantiated ... just like the rest of what you preach.

#All interactors

This is to acknowledge that I went out of line in responding to Saima Rana behna earlier, in #156.

My sincere apologies!

To make amends, here is an old lyric for you:

FooloN ka, taaroN ka
Sub ka kehna hai
Ek HazaaroN mein
Meri behna hai
Saree umaar
Hame sang rehna hai!!....

Saima Rana behna, kaha sunaa muaf karna!

All my future interacts will be directed at making amends and conducting acts of penance!

Re: # 279 bjkumar bhai

thanx for your apology.no problem bhai sahib i have forgiven you.

it shows your greatness.i realy appericiate you for that.

thank you

best

Sattar

I apologize for my rash language; sometimes my tongue slips because of human compulsions. But the fact of the matter is that I genuinly feel the pain and misery you are in. Have you ever stopped once in a while and thought what are your own responsibilities towards yourself as a human being. There are three reasons because of which a human being shirks his responsibilities towards himself:

(i) lack of (self)-awareness
(ii) Munafiqat i.e. Hypocrisy
(iii) Plainly lying to misguide people.

Please help me understand today, why you do it. The reason I am asking this question is because of the following Quadiani website, which is titled ``Muntakhib Ahadith`` i.e. Selected Ahadith. Interestingly enough almost all of these ahadith are taken from the collection of Ahadith that Muslims all around the globe consider authentic e.g Bokhari, Muslim, Ibn-Maja, Sunan abi Daud etc.

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/hadith/index.php


I have not checked whether you people have changed the wordings of any ahadith or not but giving the benefit of doubt lets assume that they are verbatim. Given that, the question is why Quadianis then so veciferously speak against ahadith.

Look if you have a genuine interest in guiding people to the righteous path then the first pre-condition is that you must be sincere to them. You must have a genuine interest in the well being for your audience. Why misguide humanity? Please solve this mystery for me because I am in misery too. Why???

The choir, Kaalchakra if eluding to the supporters of tradition, is sounding a little better than it did before Zeena let loose with her tirade; without any added discussions at all!

Which is a good thing.

Hasanmahmood`s post was constructive and informative. Whether it was correct or not is entirely irrelevent. He voiced his opinion and for that alone, he deserves respect. His words allowed me to form an opinion of him, just as the voices of others, has allowed me to form opinions of them. He was also successful in prompting a response.

Such is the nature of Chowk, airing the views of people around the world so that others may THINK!

I see value in all the posts because they make me think.

I can`t speak on certain subjects but I can listen and appreciate, and listen intently I do, to all the articles and subsequent posts, just as everyone else does.

``Find the invisible, and make it visible``

Not a quote for which I take credit, and also incomplete.

There is an added statement, the inclusion of which would not serve any purpose at this time.

Re: # 277 saroya

can you tell me your gender please ,without any ambiguity that your posts have.

cheers

Re: # 282

Why?

Re: # 331saroya

just curious.

Re: # 332

....Curiosity killed the cat............................

Re: # 348 saroya

i have found the answer of my Q ``b/w the brackets`` of your post.

you wrote;

(for want of a better word and, with total abject apologies to those females that may consider that statement unsavoury or chauvinistic).

you are male.

cheers

Re: # 350


Well, aren`t you perceptive!!!

I`m glad we have something in common!!!

Urstruly (#124), hamidm (#207):

Talking ants? This interpretation has layers upon layers of impossibilities.

1. Firstly, it suggests that ants understood well the complexities of the way humans function. They understood “Solomon” and “his armies”, who may trample upon ants “without knowing”.

This is the convoluted outcome of Urstruly’s interpretation. Animals and insects do not have the intellect to comprehend workings of humans. But there’s more …

2. Secondly, are we to believe that Solomon was able to hear this conversation of the ants! Did he have superhuman hearing powers? When was the last time anyone heard an ant?? Such interpretations lead one to superstition …

3. Not only did Solomon (pbuh) hear the ants, he even understood what they meant! This is a fairy-tale idea from the ullema.

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The words uttered were spoken by an (human) inhabitant of the “Valley of the Ants” ... and not an ``ant``. Note the subtle difference ... which leads to very different understandings of Quran. One makes sense, and the other leads to superstition.

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Urstruly MiaN (#274), you propsed such silliness in the first place. Now don`t run away when it fails to make sense ...

Why don`t you begin by explaining ahadith outlined in #273 ...? Apparently you don`t have much faith in the ullema either.

Your Islam is a travesty, an amalgam of fairy-tale ideas. The only reason I raise this issue is that you want to force your beliefs on others. Otherwise I have no issues with what you believe ... regardless of how far-fetched it may be ...