It is Never OK to Hit a Woman

Excellent article !!!

Question is , is it OK to hit woman in Islam or in any other region or religion?

Let me make it simple. Though fanatic Mullahs in Islam have made it extremely complicated, who have nothing else to do except for thinking about creating fuss and lying about Quranic verses in their own convoluted ways.

Their stupid and barbaric kind of Islam only revolves around women, their basic intentions to live are to give brutal and inhumane slogans to mal treat and disrespect all women folks. These evil mullahs are brutal animals who feel extremely insecured from women, who have dirty and vulgar minds , always spewing venoms against women, treating women as half humans is their basic goal. They always target innocent women and suppress their already suppressed minds. They are just pigs with filthy minds, who can`t view women as an equal human being, they treat them as their inferior commodities.

And, then they claim Islam is the only religion who gives equal rights to women, who treats women with respect and decency............WRONG , ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

I have never seen a single example of such behavior in any so called Islamic country...

And,when they are asked to explain their behavior , their stupid and senseless basis is either convoluted Quranic versions(self created versions) or false Hadiths.

When I read Quran with translations from A-Z, I do not find any of such propaganda against women folks created by these beasts, called Mullahs. I don`t believe in Hadiths........Why? simply b/c majority of them I strongly believe are FALSE and were self created by these barbaric mullahs just to play ugly mind games with women to control them, to harass them and to abuse them for their own selfish inhumane needs.

Women are treated inhumanely in almost all Muslim countries, among such countries , top of the list countries are, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Syria, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Almost all Middle Eastern countries, Nigeria, Bosnia etc, etc, etc.................In all of these Muslim countries, more than 90% of women have had abuse either being beaten, mental abuse, raped, strangled or acid burns, in some areas, they were mutilated by chopping off their body parts...............And, in majority cases, the women abusers are their own husbands, fathers, brothers, or their close family male relatives and the more disturbing fact is those women are so much mentally suppressed that they accept all this as a normal behavior..............Don`t go far, I just returned from Pakistan last week, what I saw and heard with my own ears, majority of women were telling me, they are very lucky to get married with their husbands, who support their basic needs and BEAT them very occasionally. Very passive aggressive behavior, tsk, tsk, tsk..........they are brainwashed, they are unable to view them as equal to men, they have accepted this abuse as normal.....that`s the reason, Pakistan is down the drain...............it sucks.......and sad..............Not only that I have seen three women, who jumped to clean their husbands shoes with clothes while husbands were wearing the shoes.............and they felt proud about it.............they considered themselves lucky, while I was feeling sick and sad for those suppressed women.......whose minds are unable to think beyond what they are taught right from their childhood..........Females in all these Muslim countries have seen their own female relatives, mothers to get abuse at the hands of their male relatives, and this is not a single case, it is widely spread all over their communities...........they are also seeing the suppressed role models and they accept their role as normal to be abused and be beaten by their male counterparts. Their female counterparts fakery sympathize with them for being abuse and beaten, but, at the same time they teach them that this is normal in Islamic society and it is their normalcy to accept this as normal part of their life cycles............

There are also quite disturbing facts about mal treatment of Muslim women in Muslim countries. Women having extra marital affairs are permitted to kill by their male relatives.

In Pakistan, women are held in prison for extra marital sexual affairs even if they are raped, they are considered adulteresses...................rapists roam free in Pakistan`s streets to rape and abuse more women, b/c they have to bring 4 MALE witnesses , AND 8 FEMALE witnesses ( female is half human in their kind of Islam) who can state that they saw penetration(which is impossible to bring), and they ignore the beating part of abused women beaten up by their abusers, so, this is an example of how these Pseudo Islamic societies not only accept women beating at the hands of men, but, also fully support the men to beat the women. They are the NORMS of these barbaric countries.

If a Muslim man feels any kind of insecurity by women or even if they hear any woman raising voice against their whims or if they feel little snubbed in anyway by a woman or a little girl, they are allowed to beat them up to any extent they like....................Just to control them and enslave them..........

The most disturbing fact is , when and If asked , why they beat women folks...........they don`t accept it.

They start giving fake examples of European and American current cultures , how they manipulate their women folks and we`re much better and we respect our women...................



Well, It is crystal clear, that women in all these Muslim countries are allowed to be beaten up, if, men think these women are being rude...............to them.......and not only that women are considered half human in such Islamic countries..............................Just sad facts..................

swarrier,swarrier, swarrier,

I am not talking about Sheddis or siddis as you call them. They are there and are new arrivals. But I am actually talking about people Sindhis call Dravidian. They dominate the Dadu district but also live in Larkana, and Tharparkar districts too. They are not Sheddis. They are dark but their negroid features have softened like the people in South India. They were the original Sindhi who perhaps also lived in Moenjo dero and other areas around it. Sindh too had waves of people coming from all over place from central asia to south India.

#50 is not me. its some chowk bug..my guess its HP post.

i have a 2 questions for urstruly.

1. what are the injuctions for a wife/wives if they find their husband indulgin in ``lewd`` behavior?

2. should the husband not go find out the ``root-cause`` for wifes lewd behavior before taking action? there must be some hadith of this form among the large number of hadiths.

thanks, i will take the answers off-line,
jang

jang

Hadiths are false, they are absolutely NOT true representations of Islam. So, they are nullified by civilised world.

naqshbandi #41: ``the sahaba wrote down everything he said or committed it to memory.
the first collection of hadith was by imam malik who lived in madina with sahaba. and imam abu hanifa who was taught directly by six companions had an even earlier hadith collection.``

can you tell me where these are.......have they been carbon dated to establish their authenticity.......actually before that, can you tell me where i can go to see the artifacts that have recorded hadith from the time of prophet muhammad....

i have had this discussion with a lot of people.......and everyone gives round about answers.......i am assuming you don`t know for certain who committed something to memory or did not, if their are no artifacts to prove it..........someone has simply told you that people committed something to memory.......

if i said that no one committed anything to memory and that it is only a myth that they did, what could you provide to disprove it.......

as i mentioned it is all hearsay.....could be true, could be false........there is nothing solid to prove it is true........

bulleya # 53

YUP. You`re right. Not only right, but, hitting the right nerve. As a matter of fact, I don`t believe in hadiths at all. And that doesn`t mean that I am not muslim. I am more and better muslim than any of these pseudomullahs with their neoislam(a new religion).

Hadiths , created by these mullahs are another reason to give them a shelter to find an excuse to mal treat women folks........................

sattar, 47, and zeena -- pls educate yourselves about hadith:



Compilation of Quran and Hadith

Several hadiths in the Sahihs and Sunan show that the Prophet MHMD ordered certains Companions to write down something or everything he said.

The Prophet MHMD first forbade the writing of hadith so that people not confuse it with the Qur`an. He then allowed or ordered some Companions to write hadith when there was no risk of confusion.

These hadiths take precedence over the reports that mention an accross-the-board prohibition of writing for several reasons: the ``write`` reports are of a higher order of authenticity; the ``do not write`` reports are abrogated; the ``write`` reports are confirmed by the abundance of written reports from the Companion-generation manuscripted by their first-century students.

See below, the documentation on several first-century collections.

...

Abu Dawud died in 275, al-Bukhari in 256 and Muslim in 261. For one, Malik and Ahmad`s collections preceded all of them but the writing of hadith began long before all five.

Among the manuscripted hadith collections of the first Hijri century are:

1. `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As (d. 63), al-Sahifa al- Sadiqa, originally containing about 1,000 hadiths of which 500 reached us, copied down by `Abd Allah directly from the Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - and transmitted to us by his great-grandson `Amr ibn Shu`ayb (d. 118);

2. Hammam ibn Munabbih`s (d. 101 or 131) al-Sahifa al- Sahiha which has reached us complete in two manuscripts containing 138 hadiths narrated by Hammam from Abu Hurayra (d. 60), from the Prophet - upon him blessings and peace;

3. The lost folios of Aban ibn `Uthman (d. 105) the son of `Uthman ibn `Affan (d. 35), from whom Muhammad ibn Ishaq (80-150/152) narrated;

4. The accomplished works of `Urwa (d. ~92-95) - the son of al-Zubayr ibn al-`Awwam and grandson of Asma` and `A`isha the learned daughters of Abu Bakr the Truthful. `Urwa ordered them burnt, after a lifetime of teaching from them, during the sack of Madina by the armies of Syro-Palestine under Yazid ibn Mu`awiya in 63;

5. Muhammad ibn Shihab al-Zuhri`s (d. 120) Sira, from which Ibn Ishaq also borrowed much;

6. `Asim ibn `Umar ibn Qatada ibn al-Nu`man al-Ansari`s (d. 120 or 129) Maghazi and Manaqib al-Sahaba, another principal thiqa source for Ibn Ishaq and others;

7. `Abd Allah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Muhammad ibn `Amr ibn Hazm al-Ansari`s (d. 135) tome, another main source for Ibn Ishaq Ibn Sa`d, and others;

8. The most reliable Sira of the Madinan Musa ibn `Uqba al-Asadi (d. 141), praised by Imam Malik and used by Ibn Sa`d and others.

Re: # 53

see my post 55.

zeena -- to reject ALL hadith in toto is kufr.

#55 Naqshbandi sahib

Please, educate yourself about NOT creating false Hadiths. I do not believe in Hadiths, even if you try to brainwash me for the next Million years.

Thanks

And I won`t waste a single moment in reading these false hadiths in guiding me. I have my own good mind, God, Quran(the real version) and my own soul and my strong upbringing with equal rights for all humans regardless of any gender.........................

Re: # 52
just dont oversimplify the issue of Hadiths of the holy prophet[pbuh].how can u say they

are all false?yes there are many fabricated hadiths but it does not mean that hadith has no

worth in our religion.The problem is that most of the Hadiths are taken out of context and

are manipulated suited to the preconcieved notions of the reader.great care must be taken

to understand the environment in which hadiths are being recorded and the metal level of

the people prophet[pbuh] was addressing to.Hadith are there for the general guidanc but

mullahs have made each one them an independent and isolated proposition rather than

deriving a philosophy of general guidance taking all of them together.There are many apparantly contradictory hadiths there but this contradiction is not strictly of formal or logical nature and should not be treated in that way.

they are dealing with human psyche.it dependes on the mental level of the listeners of the sayings of the prophet[pbuh]Prophet[saw] was a very pragmatic man.

He knew the social environment and the intellectual competence of the people of his time.that`s why he would choose the words and phrases which can be understood easily by even an ordinary man and woman.as for the issue of woman is concerned

.well not all women are angels and all men dogs and bully.prophet[pbuh] teach women according to their psyche.

#56 Naqshbandi sahib

In my pov you are KAFIR, who is creating false hadiths to brain wash innocent humans.

Who are you to label me a kafir.......who are you to call me kafir with NO reason.

See this is the idiotic kind of barbaric pseudoIslam with mullahish contents to be self righeous and calling others with their own minds, kafirs............rubbish.

#58 philosopher

Yes, I nullify them all, b/c MAJORITY of them are FALSE. And are created to create all these barbaric actions against humans in general and against women in particular.

So, there is absolutely NO proof that they are the basis of Islam. They are out dated and false................So, best is to nullify them all.

oh boy - another article on koran, hadith and all that bedouin bullsh!tt... come on... give us a break...

#61

mohar11 sahib

Exactly..................give us a break from mullahish FASCISM. Fascist Mullahs are the main culprits for the terrorist activities around the globe and they are solely responsible for the miserable conditions of women folks in these countries.

Re: # 62 zeena

you yourself are behaving like a mullah.with due respect you are also fanatic.rather than giving reason to validate your claim you are rejecting all hadiths dogmatically.i

know you love islam but love evry thing that is part of islam.dont pick and choose like mullahs.

As i have said there are many fabricated hadiths but there are valid too.they must be seen in the context of the of that environment and the people Holy prphet[PBUH] was addressing to.

Hadith is a very important collection to understand the spirit of the religion but we should take as general guiding principle.we should look how prophet[pbuh] did something not what he did.He was addressing a society of bediouns.they were not intellectual or educated folk.


you know even today many educted people are unable to understand simple facts and the usage of language.the mess that mullah create is that they take every hadith literaly and make it an idependent propsotion and only to worsen the situation they derive conclusion from it.

we should take all hadiths in context and try to understand the spirit of the religion not the words.why are studying every thing with women`s perspective rather looking at religion and the sayings of the Holy prophet[PBUH]?
regards

Zeena, and other hadith deniers,do you believe in ALL of the Koran?



Allah says in Quran: “[2:129] Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom, and sanctify them: for Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise.”

They keyword here being that the messenger is to teach them the book AND impart wisdom upon them. Even the Sahabah had problems understand some of the language of Quran.

In sourat Al-Hashr Allah tells us: “[59:7] So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.”

He also says: “[4:65] But no, by thy Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.”

Finally, Allah says: “[4:59] O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination.”


Overall, I believe it is blasphemy on Allah subhanahu wa taala to believe that he sent an irrelevant or faulty messenger. If the messenger was irrelevant and added nothing to the religion, then why didn’t Allah send down the book in one piece? Why pass it to us through a messenger?