It is Never OK to Hit a Woman

interesting beginning, but your argument was diluted by the rant in the middle. thanks for sharing various meanings of the word commonly used to justify `wife beating`. now, who is going to forward this to moin khan`s wifes lawyer?

Ahmar ! Ur article is very interesting, but I am agreed with half of content. Dialogues are very important & essential, but times comes when there is need to stop the evil deeds like lewdness with power. I am completely agreed with u that our society is not extremist either towards Islam or either towards enlightened moderenation. We also become sentimental about `Mullah`. The word which we used commonly to blame all those who raised their voice against liberalism. The women who elected democratically & obderved hijab or pardah & become active & arguing at the same level with the women like Kishmala Traiq or other PPP parliament members, facing the crtique. What wrong in this that they are daughters or wives of elected members. The agreement in which women can`t vote in tribal area signed also by PPP, ANP, ML (Q & N), why u r just accusing MMA.

I didn`t come a cross any single article where any one criticize media specially TV Channels like TVOne, HUM, GEO on showing scene where women doing smoking & men are drinking wine. ARY showing a show where homosexuality was discussed. Now we can see open scene of kissing on dramas & music shows. Meera came on GEO in mini skirt. In Sindh TV, the culture which they are showing in their songs no where exist in Sindh. Skin tight trousers & open blouse shirts or sleeve less short t shirts are so common, which is not the reflection of society. Previously, we can see PTV drama with family, but now what are the topics of our Indian inspired dramas protestation, polygamy, mod girls (no connection with common society) violation and divorce. That’s why the channel like Masala is getting popularity where women can see the recopies of food

Boss ! This picture is more scary than the conceived picture of Mullah.

Now, its proven that those who drunk also beat wives, pls don`t put all blames just on Mullah

Marriage, as we know it, could become a thing of the past in India!

Under Renuka Chowdhurys recent persecutive law called 498A, a wife can theoretically blackmail the husband and his family, infinitely - even for money, visa, property, or more commonly, to harass her in-laws with the fear of social blackmail, which may arise from any misunderstanding. Under the draconian IPC 498a (2006), any man ( and his dear family ), could be arrested and thrown in jail - simply on any fanciful charge/s the wife chooses to make.

How could any Indian boy commit himself to a girl in future, with such vindictively biased laws in place? The new laws neither take into account traditional Indian values in marriage, nor the normal ups and downs in marriage, and the immorality of taking undue (criminal) advantage of such situations. In fact, the new laws do not even conceptualise a reunion!

With a 98% acquital rate, the government cannot continue to pretend that already thousands of innocent husbands are not being harrassed by this draconian law.
It is time for the government to scrap the domestic version of POTA and bring in laws more in keeping with harmony and equality (`constitutional right` ?) between the accused and the aggrieved in a family.

Suggestions :

1. Implementable only upto two years from marriage.
2. Only husband should be charged.
3. False complaints should be penalised.
4. Medical evidences should be relevant.
5. Witnesses, not blood relative to the woman, should be available.


One hopes that the media does focus more attention on this urgent matter.


Links :
http://mynation.net

Renuka makes personal use of her own law :
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1021027/asp/nation/story_1329371.asp

Renuka intensely grilled by Thapar :
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3.html

Re: # 6

http://www.mynation.net/mynews/



498a is anti human rights for the accused because :

1. It enables violation of the privacy, sanctity and the dignity of the innocent families, and throws the very existence of Indian families to the vultures in the police force, criminals in the society and at the mercy of the lawyers and the inefficiencies of the court system in India.

2. It makes the accuser the prosecutor, the judge and the jury all rolled into one.

3. It makes all the families subject to destruction on the whims and fancies of criminals (girl and her families who want to get rich).

4. It has no safeguards for the innocent.

5. It facilitates elder and child abuse by the accusers without any fear of punishment.

6. It lays down no automatic punishments for the UN-scrupulous accuser(s), even after it is proved that the accused persons were innocent and the complaints were fraudulent.

7. It rewards frauds and cheats for using the law.

8. It provides monetary inducements for corruption, falsehoods, revenge, blackmail and extortion; therefore an invitation to the increasing crimes in India.

9. It is a monster and menace, created by the law; and does not belong in any civilised and democratic society as it smells like fascism.

10. The guilty who make frivolous and scandalous complaints or start false prosecutions get off Scott free at the cost and expense of the public exchequer

This law, therefore, must go lock stock and barrel, and replaced by a law that punishes only the guilty appropriate to their crime.

Otherwise, marriage may soon become a curio item from the past.

Re: # 4, nasah,

See this link for a mans perspective :

http://mynation.net/blog/?PHPSESSID=33f31924622a0a495ba8aa33be060094

Re: # 401

Aykk orr baolla budhaa, boy i tell yaa they are dime a dozen on chowk.

Re: # 406

Philosopher

So I take it that you agree with my views about the Hadees in question. But how can you dismiss it so lightly when the Paky Islam (Deen-e-Mullah) stands on this very Hadees which provides the very sword of terror to the Paky Mullah notwithstanding the fact that it tarnishes the very image of the Prophet (PBUH) as `Rehmatul Aalimeen) and seems to condone the worst form of sex-slavery. Above all, is it not the worst joke with the Islamic Shariah to convert it into a naked lynch law? It recalls to me the prophetic remarks about partition of India attributed to Moulana Abulkalam Azad to the effect that ``Bharat mein Musalmanon ka bura haal ho ga aur Pakistan mein Islam ka``.

I wonder if the very terror implied in the Hadees about the veracty of which you are doubtful is perhaps preventing you from discussing its very awfull implications as I had expected from you dear philosopher.

Re: # 405teshah

[ But mind the compilation of Sunnan Abu dawud is included in ``Suhaa Sitta`, the six authentic compilations of Ahadees]

Being in ``suhaa sitta``doesnt make every Hadith authentic.even sunnis do not considers all the hadiths of ``sahih muslim``and sahih bukhari authentic.

#404 sattar2

[After praising Urstruly, you`ve just stabbed him in the back]

i still praise urstruly.i have made one point very clear in my posts that hadith should be considered a source of general guidance not legal coz we are not 100% sure of the events and every hadith.these hadiths can guide us how prophet[pbuh]solved the problems of His time.

with the passage of time language gets corrupted.we have thousands of interpretations of even the Holy Quran which is the most authentic source.

Hadith literature has always been vulnerable in the hands of wicked people.they messed up with hadiths big time.

And i can never accept the hadith of rajam authentic for the simple reason coz its contradictory to the Quran.

Re: # 403

I agree with you. I consider especially this Hadees to be positively blasphemic as it negates the very image of the prophet (PBUH) as `Rehmatulaalameen`. But mind the compilation of Sunnan Abu dawud is included in ``Suhaa Sitta`, the six authentic compilations of Ahadees and the main basis for the lynchings under the Law of Blasphemy in Pakistan.

Re: # 401

That`s why i think a lot of Hadiths are fabricated and can not be considered authentic.

Hadiths should never be considered the authentic source of islam.

Re: # 4

A better alternative perhaps. But why don`t you suggest sex-slaves which can be beaten as you like and even lynched without any retaliation, if, of course, she is accused of blasphemy. See the Hadees below:

``Sunnan Abu-Dawud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother (A slave-woman bearing children but not treated as a wife?) who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.``

``Under Renuka Chowdhurys recent persecutive law called 498A, a wife can theoretically blackmail the husband and his family, infinitely - even for money, visa, property, or more commonly, to harass her in-laws with the fear of social blackmail, which may arise from any misunderstanding. Under the draconian IPC 498a (2006), any man ( and his dear family ), could be arrested and thrown in jail - simply on any fanciful charge/s the wife chooses to make.

How could any Indian boy commit himself to a girl in future, with such vindictively biased laws in place?``(Parathab)

is this our Progressive Parathab! -- after decades of bride burning by the ``in-laws`` u r complainin about brides `blackmailing` the in-laws now -- and Indian boys afraid to marry `a girl` -- well then Indian boys should be marrying Indian boys instead of Indian girls ......

Paragraph five is confusing; several contradictory statements are made in the same breath. This paragraph needs to be broken down into at least three separate paragraphs that discuss and support the main topic points, counter points and counter counter points.

Timely idea-this needs to be revised for over informality, organization, rhetorical support.

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If you need to refer to Quran to learn how to treat fellow humans, then God help you.

How come all the versus sighted here address wife (as opposed to wives)?

I am absolutely convinced that it is in the nature of some women and men; that they would not understand the voice of reason until smacked, spanked, or hit lightly. The West has capitalized on this human nature and turned it into a money making enterprise. If you are among those men and women you will simply go into one of those parlours, pay money, and get beaten up by a leather clad hussy - sometimes with a stick.

Now in a domestic setting, since beating a spouse has become an un-necessary taboo, therefore a wife (or husband for that matter) would not dare even ask to be beaten up - just because they can`t go to sleep. Since women are gifted with the ``nag`` gene, they use it quite often and nag their husbands to death in the hopes that the poor sod will trip and give them their fix. Sometimes they get lucky. Men on the other hand lack the ``nag`` gene, therefore, they get their fix through road rage and liquor.