Revolt in Paradise

Re: # 115 HP {``...you need to bait people to get ... response. ... SR just doesn’t have it in him to ... bring in some facts ... a conspiracy theory...`` etc, etc,}

I`m sure you mean well, and it`s okay that you like to score points like so many others here. I simply don`t get excited about, nor draw any pleasure from this silly one-up-manship game. More power to those who do. To me it is enough to exchange views and leave it at that once we have stated our case. But if the objective becomes to prove one`s debating skills, then I simply don`t have the time nor the interest to get into such a juvenile contest. Furthermore, this point was peripheral to the central theme. On that score I see that you (# 116) share the same bias as me, therefore we are essentially in the ``same camp`` and I don`t want to get into a pissing match. We`ll just agree that yours is bigger than mine if that is any consolation to your ego. Let`s not take ourselves any more seriously here. Some of us do have a life outside cyberspace.

affectionately,

...SR

Re: # 113 Hindsight is great! Now you can be the great Nostradamus of chowk.

BTW watch out, your hindsight better be good! You know of the proclivities of zeemax, I presume!

#116 sign of the times......even the Nazis started in a small way like the Taliban and the Alqaeda.
the difference is the Nazis had brains the Al-qaeda and taliban had very little

FDR went to war against these guys…



FDR faced off simultaneously with the #1 and #2 militaries in the world, both of whom had more soldiers under arms, more ships, more tanks, and more planes than the US. Germany, Japan, and Italy supported their military with enormous industrial resources and boasted research programs that gave them the best weapons in the world. German tanks were better and faster than any the US could field. Japanese Zeros could outperform any other plane. Both the Germans and Japanese had already defeated other forces in the field and had experience in fighting a modern, mechanized war.


Bush fighting these guys by reinterpreting the Geneva Conventions



W`s enemy was a small, irregular force of less than 10,000 men, most of them poorly armed. They had not a single plane in their air force, not one ship in their navy, and barely a handful of artillery. The most modern equipment they could boast were cast-offs from our own forces that were two decades or more out of date. Their training was erratic. They were outcasts, even among their own people, with little support and no ability to make or repair their equipment.


And here is what NYT has to say…http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/opinion/22fri1.html

“The deal does next to nothing to stop the president from reinterpreting the Geneva Conventions. While the White House agreed to a list of ``grave breaches``? of the conventions that could be prosecuted as war crimes, it stipulated that the president could decide on his own what actions might be a lesser breach of the Geneva Conventions and what interrogation techniques he considered permissible. It`s not clear how much the public will ultimately learn about those decisions. They will be contained in an executive order that is supposed to be made public, but Mr. Hadley reiterated that specific interrogation techniques will remain secret. [Emphasis added.]
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“The Democrats have largely stood silent and allowed the trio of Republicans to do the lifting. It`s time for them to either try to fix this bill or delay it until after the election. The American people expect their leaders to clean up this mess without endangering U.S. troops, eviscerating American standards of justice, or further harming the nation`s severely damaged reputation.

#111 by GT


``There is no such thing as circumstantial evidence in politics.``
“Are you `kiddin` me? Politics is all about convincing others through circumstantial evidence.”

Some time you need to bait people to get them to response. Obviously, SR just doesn’t have it in him to even try to bring in some facts to support his conspiracy theories. Circumstantial evidence mostly ends up being a conspiracy theory. Politics is all about understanding issues and placing them in the proper background and context. Politics is not abt convincing other through Circ evid. Some people analyze politics using Circ Evidence and mostly they end up in the black hole of conspiracy theories. That is where SR resides….

``otherwise I hear masadi``

Asadi is not bad just learn to parse his posts correctly.

In addition to #112, this pope is following in the traditon of John Paul, at that time he was a strong supporter of the US in its anti-communist fight, now the enemy is different and so is the rhetoric. John Paul`s anti-communist alliance with Muslims though quite bland was only one of convenience, don`t make the mistake of thinking that he thought highly of Islam, he hated it just as much.

#110 writes << ...even the MUSHY..... has spilled the beans ......( an open secret ) on how...
Armatige or whatever.... threatened to Flat out Pakistan .... >>>>

Nothing new in this assertion, listen to the speech he gave to ``the nation`` shortly after 9/11 when America had given him a list of demands, he mentioned the national existence being threatened, you just have to listen more carefully

Zeemax in #87 <<< So does it follow that the Pope was using the interpretation of an isolated scholar who rejected `reason` to convey that God in `Islam` is unreasonable? If he was, then certainly the Pope is either incompetent or a Bush/Blair co-conspirator. >>>

He is just a run of the mill Catholic and using his stereotype of Islam~ and they all share in this except for the genuine scholars~ in whose ranks he does not belong, and as such he defaults to Ad Hominem attacks against the prophet, as if that is proof of anything. They believe in the most illogical of concepts, of one being three and three being one, i.e. the trinity of an eternal being born (as son) and an immortal dying so that an innocent washes away the sins of the guilty~ talk about a super perverted concept of justice, yet they have the audacity to poke fingers at Islam saying it is contrary to reason when every other statement of the Quran refers to some argument or the other to establish its assertions. Little different than the higher barbarians pointing to the killing of a Nun in Somalia and generalizing that to the entire community of Muslims when they butcher as state and economic policy hundreds of thousands every week

Re: # 77 by HP,

HP:

You seem to be busy with work. In any case, you write:

``There is no such thing as circumstantial evidence in politics.``

Are you `kiddin` me? Politics is all about convincing others through circumstantial evidence. Yes, ... yes, that is what you are saying, polemics matters. But then you ought to give SR some slack .... otherwise I hear masadi.

Regards.

seems like drops have started to FALL....soon it will be heavy....


...even the MUSHY..... has spilled the beans ......( an open secret ) on how...
Armatige or whatever.... threatened to Flat out Pakistan .... and send it to STONE AGE...
after 9/11 if pakistan did not co-operated.


....by the Way ... I Like the idea of Chevez... in which he proposed to send a CASE to the international court of Justice against BUSH...... for WAR Crimes.....

Re: # 98 Urstruly ... the matter regarding Jews

I have no dispute with anything you wrote in the above referenced post. In my post to GT I made light reference to your earlier post wherein you had mentioned The Jews. It was not meant as a rebuke, but as a lament. Whereas I condemn the state policies of Israel and the unthoughtful American support of Israeli heavy handedness, I do not condemn Jews any more than I would condemn the Muslims, Christians, Hindus or Druids. I see many Muslims and their sympathizers commit the same error that we accuse ``Bubbas Americanus`` of making. Namely, to condemn all Muslims for the criminal doings of a few.

Until 1890s, when the European Zionists started migrating to, and establishing settlement colonies in Palestine, there was never a real issue of Jews being enemies with Arabs. Hell, there were many Arabs who were Jews themselves. Arab Christians, Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived in Arab land (Palestine) side by side since the advent of Islam in seventh century. Okay, granted, there were a few unfortunate incidents, (the major one being in Medina after Uhad -- which many an eager Chowkie will be quick to flaunt), but for a long time through the centuries the Jews and Muslims (and Christians for that matter) managed to live as neighbors without much strife. They were all Arabs. That is to say, they spoke the Arabic language as their mothertongue (which is what being an Arab means). So this really was not a dispute of religions but an European settler vs Arab issue, that has conveniently (and tragically) taken on a Muslim vs Jew garb. That`s all I was trying to bring to your attention.

...SR

THe world hates the United Satan. Only the mutts & mongerels from the Cantonement & colony kennels drool for him.

The are the followers of the Ghulam-i-Farangi who told his pack of Canines never ever to badmouth the angrez top dog. He exhorted them to serve them will all the loyalty a dog could muster.

And it is being proven here time & time aagin...Q32 dares not do it; whereas even million upon millions of Americans Zaleel the United Satan everyday.

THere GOT to be a reason!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmm.

A clear outing of a Q....``Think massa-thoughts , work like an ass, live like a dog.


This needs an encore..in case the dog-devils missed it.

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Reflecting the thinking and spirit of Noam Chomsky, Hugo Chavez delivered an impassioned speech yesterday to the assembled delegates who came to hear him.  It`s one likely to be favorably remembered many years from now.At its end, the delegates showed their appreciation and support by giving him a standing ovation (the longest one of all the leaders addressing the Assembly) in contrast to the cool and polite reception given George Bush the previous day who chose not to attend to hear the Venezuelan leader. 

Bush won in 2000 by the narrowest margins. In 2004 he was relected winning 52% of vote.

Even if Democrats sweep the elections in Novemeber Republicans will still have 200-210 seats in the House and 47-49 Senators.

Re: # 105

Islamic l0sers like zeemax are desperate... they will hang on to any sugar-dady with a big mouth and a fata## like that Chavez joker... Yeah, he will deliver them from the Great Satan... :))

#103 zeemax - I would agree with you .
However, i wonder if these very people provide their peoples with the rights they used in the UN?

I dont think so. I just returned from caracas - and life is very dangerous for any one out of the oridinary there.

In the middle east

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the situation is the same- and worse if you are a brown minority.

As i said, this is all rethoric and no action.

So please stop having an orgasm

Re: # 103 zee

Oh please.... don`t be so desperate.... these two fools - one persian macaca, other a latin fata$$ - are going to take on the mighty USA... yeah right... these guys just love to sound off...