The Arab-Israeli Conflict in the New World Order

Nice analysis! Sadly it is good for academic discussion only. In the Arab land, there is no hope; there is no way a peaceful resolution can be reached.

Don`t you guys know that even God had difficulty keeping peace there? I mean why else there would be so many messengers, angels, and prophets coming to this gad-awful place?

Other lands get one prophet and they learn, and become good.

For example in China, God sends one guy named Confucius, and the nation finds its way.

Rest of the Asia gets Buddha. And guess what, the whole region figures out life.

Europe doesn`t even get its own. They take a brown guy, paint him white and go on their merry way.

But not for Middle East. God had to send one after the other after the other, and still the same hut-dharmi, same akar-foon, same khooboo, same tribalism.

So let`s all just enjoy our Ramzan and leave the Palestinians alone. I am sure God will `finally`` come up with some solution. Or may be not!

When Yasser Arafat died, a lot of money that belonged to the Palestinian nation went missing - some say that it was $ 300 million, others as much as $ 1.5 billion. And Palestinians continue to starve under their own peoples` rule as they did under Israeli control. Is it any wonder that Palestinian patriots like Hanan Ashrawi and Mahmud Darwaish have been so disillusioned with the process that they stay as far from it as possible?

And the tragedy continues on the Israeli side. Forced to live in this aprt of the world because the Europeans did not want them living in Europe (some nations sent Jews to gas chambers and others to Palestine) they have ended up in a permanent state of conflict with their neighbours both within their country and across their borders.

This is an excellent article and the author must be thanked for taking a fair and unbiased look at the situation in one of the saddest parts of the world.

Re: # 20

ahmedmadani sahib,


respectfully, i beg to disagree with you on the question of drinking ........ going back in history, you will find that the muslims were at the zenith of their glory when they used to hard drinking men - if you read the babarnama you will notice that babar`s drinking parties were only ineruppted by his majun parties and bloody battles in which he vanquished mohar`s ancestors and built towers with their chopped off heads ............ it is a good thing as long as you use it in moderation .... and not that it matters, but tahmed will tell you that it is not forbidden in the koran - that is why i think it is perfectly legal during ramzan ......... if omar had been half the man he pretended to be and could hold his liquour, we wouldn`t be having this silly discussion today !

............ on kashmir, i agree with you .......... like hyderabad, goa, hong kong, east germany, macau, taiwan and north korea, kashmir will be reunited with pakistan sooner or later ............ but we don`t need to wage war or get all wound up or do something stupid - it will happen when it will happen regardless of what mohar or you or i say about it today .............

Re: # 21 mad-ani

Hey mad-ani - who are you calling ``useless punk``?... At age 34, I have made more money, managed more people, seen more world than my parents have done in their entire lives... I don`t want to boast - just making a point...

In fact - if anybody needs any spanking - it`s the parent`s generation... As I keep telling DM - their generation is the one that completely lost their way, let the country and society down... their lazy-a$$es and utter-corrupt ways are the reason why India is poor, wretched and pathetic... and guess what - that generation is still ruling the country and keeping us down, making a general mess of things, as they have done for last 60 years...

This the cruel fact... you can say all sir, maam you want - but the reality is that your generation simple messed it all up... now it`s up to us to rescue the country...

So - don`t you ever call us ``useless punk`` again... :)

Re: # 18

I declare I am mad, do you feel good my sageous friend ? Hope it feels you good.
This problem of not mending children and teaching children to say yes sir, madam etc. and be respectful of elders. If indian parents starts whipping their children then India can progress fast and if they teach to respect elders will be wonderful. But todays young men and women are generally useless punks , they too highly about themselves , disrespect elders and steal , chaet, eat out, trouble parents by strange behaviours, spend money of parents as if they monet tree at home. Its hopeless ungrateful generation and use pen as poison dart. They do not deserve mild words but whipping till they start respecting elders, saying yes sir etc.

Re: # 16

Hamidum2 of usa
You are patron saint of all expaks Chowkis and Pir of USA for me.
And you have lot of cult following and I most humble of them from Karachi. So what you say is through mouth of god. But your idea of liquid refreshments is not good for sure. Liquior is very bad worse than tobacco and very costly. I hope no body takes your advice and starts drinking poisonous stuff. Liquior is worst than poison. Out of many friends I have only one died at age of 35. He was repeatedly warned by doctors to stop drinking and he vowed for his family, wife and child to stop drinking. He could not, told me once initially he drank and finally liquior began to drink me. ( I have never touched Alcohol in life). He told me when he was dieing of liver failure only way to stop is never to start.
Some people get hooked and while some can adjust to moderate use.
I have heard lot about tobacco taxes in USA and propaganda against it while statically more people are killed by alcohol but there is no out cry against it.
The reasons may be cultural ( Christian drink wine as body of christ) or it very deeply ingrained as social thing in west?
I request you to declare you were joking.

Abroo Shah, {``Palestine – claimed as their own by both the Arabs, being it’s most numerous and longest continuous inhabitants, and the Jews, believing that God has endowed it to them as its original natives ``}

Abroo
A good article about a very familiar issue. Thank you for providing this rational and calm perspective to an otherwise emotional and challenging problem. BTW, the Jews, despite what God wished, were NOT the original inhabitants of Palestine or Canaan. There were Canaanites, who were mercilessly slaughtered by Joshua and the Israelites, already living in the land. So much for divine justice and the rule of non-violence. :)

The solution to the problem would have been for the Arabs to welcome their Jewish cousins with open arms, especially in light of the persecutions carried out by German and Russian Christians in Europe. There would have been no need for a ``Jewish`` state and you would have Jews, Christians, and Muslims sharing Palestine and benefiting from the Jewish expertise of commerce. Unfortunately, don`t forget this was the time of Arab nationalism that was fired by mostly-Christian Arabs who had a religious and traditional duty to be anti-Jewish. The really Muslim policy was the one pursued by the Ottomans in welcoming Jews and relying on them to be the intelligence service against Christian Europe. With the exception of Khyber, other early encounters, and the treatment of Palestinian Muslims, Jews have always been friendly, loyal, and allied with Muslims.

Now, what is the best solution? Clearly the issue is land - Israelis are both greedy and dogmatic about settling as much of the Holy Land as possible with Jews from anywhere - Russia, US, and Iran. The surprisingly stupid reluctance of Yasser Arafat to take Clinton`s Camp David solution, make peace with Barak, and save the Palestinians from another generation of bloodshed, poverty, and misery was both criminal and short-sighted.

Even now the ideal solution is to rapidly eliminate the conflict, obtain a state with whatever territory is realistically available, and let the poor Palestinians get on with their lives. The Muslim radicals are too happy to cheer on the struggle and resist Israel to the last Palestinian child.

Yeah - ramzan mubarak to you pakis... have you guys seen the moon yet?...

Show the moon to Mad-ani and feed him something, some dates or humus whatever bedouin thing you guys eat these days... he is so hungry that he is hallucinating: ``kashmir, kashmir, kashmir``... as if he has taken time-machine and gone back to the past... :)

Re: # 10
[...Let Kashmir become rallying point fot nation, it better to fail than set low aims...]

``better to fail``??? Mad-ani - you have already failed in kashmir... which hole did you crawl out of?... Just like everyhting else in life of pakistani ``nation``... you have failed in this one too... that is why most pakis are now fully tuned in to the arab-jew conflict and howling at the moon for no apparent reason or benefit to themselves...

So either you follow your herd and join their silly moon howling party .... or just shut up crawl back into the hole you came out of [no puns intended:)]... Kashmir ``cause`` is dead...

ahmedmadani sahib,

......... ramzan mubarak ! ...... actually i think wine is a better solution for what ails the muslims - but instead they are starving themselves, which will make them more ornery, irritable, mad and prone to suicide and homicide ....

100 wines for palestinians
10 wines for kashmiris and
1 wine for pakistanis

.......... this would have made them happy and the world would have been a safer place for all ............ oh, well ........

Dear Author,

Enjoyed your article, thanks. However, I have some reservations.
You state: ``With a small percentage of educated population and no experience in liberal democracy, almost all nations that gained independence after the Second World War quickly fell into the hands of autocratic demagogues.``

Not correct. India, Israel are just two examples.

``Without coherent and competent leadership, Palestinians failed to respond properly. The inept Arab leaders were neither politically equipped nor intellectually capable of helping and guiding their Palestinian brethren in this difficult moment. In fact, they foolishly assumed that a military confrontation with the new Jewish state would result in a quick victory – thus making them heroes a la Salahuddin Ayubi. They totally underestimated the sophistication, commitment and sheer will of the fighting forces of the nascent state of Israel.``

Some of this is true, but the missing piece in this jigsaw puzzle was Syrian, Egyptian mistrust of TransJordan and King Abdallah who they considered to be representing British interests. A military confrontation was inevitable given the Palestinian refugees influx into neighboring Arab states and their need to emphasize nationalist sentiments.

Arab nationalism was considered to be a direct threat to US interests ie supply of oil, thus the need to demonize, destabilize and remove these hurdles.

Dear Author, placing all blame and responsibility on Arab rulers may not be fair. State of Israel needs US support and needs to keep the perception of a state under seige alive. What if the state of Israel finds peace in the region? Will it be the western representative in this region? Iam guessing not.

Ohmert meets Saudi King! read the story here Israel `held secret talks with Saudi royal family`

Re: # 11.#12,#10

I was about to protest here when I first read it as ``wines`` - at such a waste. On second reading realised it was ``Whines``.

You ofcourse realise that our brothers from the Jamaat-e-Islamia-e-Chowk-ibn-Al-Qaeda, and Jamaat-e-Chowk-Mard-e-momins-only donot like music.

Sir, this is haram you are preaching. (finger wagging icon)

Re: # 11
I second T.Ahmed32`s suggestion.
Now we have new article about ``Future of IRAQ`` can there be some article about future of Islamic Republics of Pakistan . The deasease is wide spread, this good example of more loyals than Royals.
This is getting strange place. No pakistan , more Iraq.

#10 mr. madani writes: ``Owners should put cap/ quota for whining for PLO when nothing about Kashmir.``

Good idea. Perhaps this quota can be administered as follows - for every ten whines about palestinians, there should be one whine about kashmiris. That would still be better than all whines about palestinians, and no whine about kashmiris.

We can take it a step further - for every ten whines of kashmiris, there should be one whine about pakistanis who have to put up with the military-mullah nonsense, pay for their upkeep so they can lord it over them and tell them what God wants them to do.

So:

100 whines for palestinians
10 whines for kashmiris and
1 whine for pakistanis

This way, their royal highnesses (the arabs) receive due homage, with some crumbs left over for the poor pakistanis.

Re: # 9
I do not understand our obsession with Israel and palestanian problems. Same as west and east conforontation which has no much connection with Pakistan and our people.It has become addiction. I feel there are more articles and blood boils by our people for palestanian . While pakistan as country is facing india and Indian occupation of Kashmir, Nizam State and Junagarh state. No articles about strategy , military or political , super generals talk more about Arab- Isarel not much about Kashmir or Nizam state etc. Its mind maddening thing. What PLO has done except back stabbing pakistan by soft peddling indian aggression issues. Iraqis were in open support of Indians and I finds tons of articles about Iraq and american operations , or critical articles america in Afghanistan. It some thing strage our country is base for american operations in Afghanistan, all goods move via pakistan then why criticize american when we cry with iraqis and palestanenians and afghans and whine and protest and at night we party with Americans. Have we some disease of unnecessary disease of worring about others business who give us shaft all time. Hope writer can pay attention to Kashmir and nizam state problem as with Nizam state it will be dager at heart of India. We are miserable people I feel as we want liberation but do not want to pay and built army bigger and better than india. Only Kashmir will be liberated by deafeating india and putting humilating conditons on her. People do not want to pay taxes to fund army they are tax cheaters. Some time all appears bogus and silly childish crying for PLO and stuff. Hope kashmir struggles will go at higher state and people should be made to sacrafice as otherwise people find short cut to easy ways.
Any tired of crying for plo and arabs let us try that for Kashmiris as Late Immam Khomani said talk is cheap. Let Kashmir become rallying point fot pakistani nation, it better to fail than set low aims.
Good morning everybody.
Owners should put cap/ quota for whining for PLO when nothing about Kashmir.