Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

It is absolutely sad to see the pack of wolves descend on the lone warrior!

Poor Masadi mian - the Abhimanyu!

Battling it all out - all alone! Outnumbered but not outdone! Surrounded but not surrendering! He shall go down fighting - no matter where it goes - no matter how down it goes!

Tahmed - the Bhishma pitamah!

Hamidm2 - the Dronacharya!

Okhla - the Shakuni mama!

Zee - the Duryodhana!

not to forget HP - the Shikhandi!

But alas, the Pandavas are mostly sitting it out at this point! Except occasional guest appearances by somebody named Arjuna!

Arjuna - watching his very own son Abhimanyu - getting butchered in broad daylight (or night, depending on the time zone)!

And Arjuna not lifting a finger to help his very own son Abhimanyu!

It must be Kali-yuga!!!

Masadi,

How can you ever stop with the last word?? We all know that your moronic outbursts shall continue.. and we actually enjoy reading your posts.. even though they are not really Nobel calibre. Please don`t stop. Please..

As far as your advice to young Pakistanis & University Students to avoid ``mainstream publishers`` (McGraw Hill Prentice Hall Springer Verlag etc) ``like the plague`` and switch instead to the profoundly intellectual lulu.com, Masadi, you would be well advised to write to the Education Ministry. Or even better, the education Ministries of all Muslim (and maybe even non-muslim) countries of the world. Your arguments are too pathetic, to be even laughed at...

and as far as doing fundamental ``research`` and concluding that mainstream media (BBC,CNN ,TIME, NEWSWEEK, NYT, Int Herald Tribune etc) are all rubbish and that true knowledge lies within the deep reaches of your ``institute`` and lulu.com-- Masadi, the rest of the world does not share your august opinion. We all, sometimes, take FOX News with a pinch of salt, but there is no way that we will debunk the mainstream media in favour of your favourite lulu.com. I am sure you have awarded yourself a PhD for this ``research``. I am certain that you aspire for the ``Nobel`` one of these years. I am equally certain that your dreams will never come true.

Mindsets like yours Masadi, will have to be converted. Or, if all else fails, will have to be eliminated. Pakistan will move forward regardless.

Now come back Masadi, so what iif you are foaming at the mouth. We all know and we don`t mind.

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Masadi,

How can you ever have the last word?? We all know that your moronic outbursts shall continue.. and we actually enjoy reading your posts.. even though they are not really Nobel calibre. Please don`t stop. Please..

As far as your advice to young Pakistanis & University Students to avoid ``mainstream publishers`` (McGraw Hill Prentice Hall Springer Verlag etc) ``like the plague`` and switch instead to the profoundly intellectual lulu.com,

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Masadi, you would be well advised to write to the Education Ministry. Or even better, the education Ministries of all Muslim (and maybe even non-muslim) countries of the world. Your argyuments are too pathetic, to be even laughed at...

and as far as doing fundamental ``research`` and concluding that mainstream media (BBC,CNN ,TIME, NEWSWEEK, NYT, Int Herald Tribune etc) are all rubbish and that true knowledge lies within the deep reaches of your ``institute`` and lulu.com-- Masadi, the rest of the world does not share your august opinion. We all, sometimes, take FOX News with a pinch of salt, but there is no way that we will debunk the mainstream media in favour of your favourite lulu.com. I am sure you have awarded yourself a PhD for this ``research``. I am certain that you aspire for the ``Nobel`` one of these years. I am equally certain that your dreams will nevcer come true.

Mindsets like yours Masadi, will have to be converted. Or, if all else fails, will have to be eliminated. Pakistan will move forward regardless.

Now come back Masadi, so what iif you are foaming at the mouth. We all know and we don`t mind.

#498 tahmed writes <<< #497 hamidm: You dont understand masadi`s problem. Its not that he actually wants to give up the fruits of western civilization as you imply in your advice to him. All he wants to do is to have his fruit and spit on it as well. >>>

A classic example of the bhand maximus. Tahmed returns to his oft repeated argument of `` Why do you criticize the west if you live here``, an Ad Hominem that assumes that criticism should be dependant on geographic location, nevermind the fact that my criticism is directed at the elite that do not represent the ``West``, rather they represent themselves, neither have I enjoyed the ``fruits`` of Western civilization- I don`t partake in boozing. What I did gain in the time I spent here, is how America is messing up the world and its own people, a perspective that those that don`t get to live here seldom get to know due to America`s cultural hegemony.

#497 hamidm: You dont understand masadi`s problem. Its not that he actually wants to give up the fruits of western civilization as you imply in your advice to him. All he wants to do is to have his fruit and spit on it as well.

One big difference I have seen between Indians and Pakistanis on chowk is - you wont find any Indian sitting in the west trying to put down the west like you see some of the Pakistanis doing. Another interesting thing learnt on chowk.

Hamid writes <<< ........ the problem with you guys is that you keep on living in the past and hoping to return to it while the rest of the world has moved on ......... >>>

You were basing your analysis on a sushi restaurant and race ``whiteness``, I had put that section in to narrate a point about how misguided you were, nothing in that or on the evolution of the medical sciences suggests that I want to ``return to the past``. The mindset that existed at that time however among the Muslims, a mindset of unfettered reason and inquiry, is something the Muslims would gain tremendously from were they to return to it.

masadi,

......... now i am beginning to understand why you are so anxious to take us back to the middle ages :

``In the Middle Ages Europe had an acute sewage problem that led to many diseases, no such problems existed in the Islamic world at the time. `` .......... i know that we have sewage problems in the islamic world, specially among the cave dwellers, but that is no reason to deprive us of the joys of sit down toilets and indoor plumbing .......

........ the problem with you guys is that you keep on living in the past and hoping to return to it while the rest of the world has moved on ......... trust me, having umpteen concubines and catemites might be a lot of fun, but if you have to share a tent with your sheep it can be a smelly affair .......... masadi mian, move on - get your tenure at the community college, work your way up to u of tuskegee, write a book that doesn`t cost you 500 hundred dollars to get published, get rid of that beard and the nose hair, find a good woman and settle down in the suburbs to live the american dream instead of working yourself into a jihadic frenzy ......... capitalism will liberate you, islamofascism will kill you (and us)...........

These for the benefit of those okhla99 is desperately trying to mislead. His intellect is the size of a rat`s fart and so I`m not interested in proving anything to him. But what I will not allow is for detractors like him to cloud the issues.

He writes <<< Question 1. What would you recommend to young Pakistanis & University Students : Publications from McGraw Hill, Springer Verlag, Prentice Hall etc or publications from lulu.com??? >>>

The publisher has nothing to do with literary merits. If Pakistani students are going to bastardize their intellect and sacrifice their point of view for sales, as these mainstream publishers have as their criteria, they should avoid them like the plague. Regardless of where they publish and how much they sell, gathering their ideas and coherently preserving them is part of Intellectual Craftsmanship, a unique contribution to the world and humanity, which they should develop. If selling and sales were the criteria for publication, most intellectual works would be ignored as they are by these corporate publishers, and the world would lose out.

<<< Question 2. You wish people to believe that Medical Science evolved in the hospitals of Cairo & Damishq where (Soap, Phenyle, antiseptics and antibiotics and CAT scan & MRI technoology) were discovered and that western civilisation is living in filth and sewage. Why Masadi, why ? >>>>

Knowledge advances in incremental successive steps, you cannot ignore the history of the various sciences, a history in which the Islamic people played an indispensible part, when you talk about modern advances. In the Middle Ages Europe had an acute sewage problem that led to many diseases, no such problems existed in the Islamic world at the time. Read your history books

<<< Question 3. Why do you wish Pakistan to not co-operate in the war on terror and continue support to Jehadis and terorists? Why do you believe that any such cooperation would tantamount to immediate and complete ``capitulation`` before America or that the status of the ``sovereign state`` of Pakistan would be compromised ? >>>

Pakistan was messed up before when it fought America`s cold war, similary it now faces a lot more serious problems than any terrorism which by the way was a by-product of that war and fluorishes in the conditions that exist in a condition where the institutional structure, both political and economic is in shambles. The `capitulation` was the explicit capitualition by Musharraf, something that goes totally against what it means to be a sovereign nation. The fight against `terrorism` would be a fight against US imperialistic state terrorism, that causes a lot more harm and destruction around the globe. The rag tags described as terrorists are merely leeching off that higher terrorism.

<<< Question 4. You wish that Musharraf should step down immediately. You secretly wish that you be anointed his successor immediately. Are you for real ??? >>>

The military and dictators have no place running the political affairs of a country, the do not represent the people, they weaken any roots of a political establishment taking root, and they have traditionally done the bidding of America to the detriment of the country. Since Pakistan`s creation its military has messed it up gearing it to do the bidding of an external. Those who care about the real needs of the people of a nation need to be its leaders not lapdogs of the colonials. It has nothing to do with me being anointed as his successor, I am not a dictator and tyrant to be a bastard`s successor.

p.s. That was my last word on your oft repeated, deliberately manipulated questions. I am not interested in going back and forth with idiots whose only argument against all the hard work I have done is ``lulu.com``. So take a hike.

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Utterly & Completely respected Masadi,

So ``Professor``, in your ``institute`` you have done some ``research`` on mainstream media like BBC, CNN, Time, New York Times etc ??

And what is the result of your research ??? That mainstream media should be avoided since it doess not give the true picture???? That true information is available only with lulu.com and in the writings of Zawahiri, Masadi etc ???

Mindsets like yours will not be permitted to harm Pakistan any more. But keep trying....

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Utterly and Completely Respected Masadi,


Now you have come to the point.

Just like Musharraf is simply trying to sell his book in USA so are you trying to sell your`s through Chowk. Your publisher is lulu.com.His is not.

So, are you allowed to get away with anything, just so that you can sell your books?? No, Masadi, no....

Jehad & terrorism oriented mindsets are a subject of study in various countries at this time. Hence the books relating to these are selling. But that does not mean that Jehadis and terrorists will take over the world. Or that Masadi will win the Nobel for literature.

Stop dreaming Masadi... return to the real world.

Try to give a pointwise reply to the points raised in my posts and do not go on ignoring/sidestepping the issues. Or, if you so desire, go back to Lululand where you are a ``professor`` with ``students`` and ``publications``....



Doodh ka doodh, Paani ka Paani Karne Waale chund Sawaal (short ansswer type):


Question 1. What would you recommend to young Pakistanis & University Students : Publications from McGraw Hill, Springer Verlag, Prentice Hall etc or publications from lulu.com???

Question 2. You wish people to believe that Medical Science evolved in the hospitals of Cairo & Damishq where (Soap, Phenyle, antiseptics and antibiotics and CAT scan & MRI technoology) were discovered and that western civilisation is living in filth and sewage. Why Masadi, why ?

Question 3. Why do you wish Pakistan to not co-operate in the war on terror and continue support to Jehadis and terorists? Why do you believe that any such cooperation would tantamount to immediate and complete ``capitulation`` before America or that the status of the ``sovereign state`` of Pakistan would be compromised ?

Question 4. You wish that Musharraf should step down immediately. You secretly wish that you be anointed his successor immediately. Are you for real ???



Take some time off, Masadi. You need a break.

#489 okhla 99 writes <<< 4. If you were to be judged by your own standards, you would have been shot like a rabid dog. However, civilised norms dictate that we respond politely >>

And what standards are those? Not only don`t you understand what I mean by the Bhand Caninus mentality, that conceptualization is much beyond your level of intelligence to understand, you post has absolutely zero fact that can be taken as ``intelligent debate``. All you have done is repeated your past bs about CNN and NBC and mainstream press, failing to understand that I have done actual research on this mainstream press as have many sociologists, maybe it does not say anything to your dimwit mentality that corporate ownership of this press is extremely concentrated, whose main goal like all corporations is maximization of profit and not objective coverage, their `experts` consists of people mostly representing the government or the economic sphere and their bread and butter sources would not tolerate any advocacy towards alternative economic systems. These things are much beyond your level of education, so don`t bother about them too much, keep barking your lulu.com BS, when you have been unable to produce anything comparable, your posts are adequate testimony to your (non) literary merits. Because of bhands like you Pakistan is f`ckd up, know that people like myself will not tolerate this anymore. The people in Pakistan will take back what rightfully belongs to them and send the macacas and canines where they rightfully belong back to the dog pounts and the concrete jungles of America. Good riddance.

#490 Hamidm2

[.....glad to see that masadi is in capable hands......the capitalist system keeps on chugging along .......... keep up the good work]

This is vintage Hamidm2 - the capitalist!

Let somebody else do HIS work - while HE rakes in the money!

Oh, the unfairness of it all!!!

Muhammed Asadi`s ``Islam & Christianity: Conflict or Conciliation`` sales rank on Amazon today, 4 years after publication: 26,957


Ann Coulters, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, 4 years after publication by a mainstream press, Amazon rank today: 36,715

Okhla99, not only can`t you prove anything from a literary point of view, not having read any of my works, even the market criteria you put forwards falls down flat on its face. 4 years from now when tabloid books like Musharraf`s are down the tube at Amazon, this one will still be in the under 100,000 rank without any marketing or tv coverage.