Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

#153
PS: If you want the moral dimension - basically little Afghan girls must not be allowed to go to school because rich Paki men want absolution from their corrupt dissipated lives by supporting the Taliban.

Re: # 158

aslam mian,

............ you are right - the incorrigible pathans still live in the stone ages because they did not benefit from the civilizing effect of colonialism (like we did) ............two cheers for colonialism ! ...... you will like this:

TWO CHEERS FOR COLONIALISM

AS the Pashtoons say:
O kochaa, Um tuum ko itnaa maaray gaa, itnaa maaray gaa, kay tuum afsose kraygaa kay aakhir tuum paidaa ee kyooN huaa thhaa.

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Death itself is escorting the farangis to the plains of Afghanistan and the Dunes of Iraq.
InshaAllah, the game would be played out by the Afghans , and now by the brave muslims from other lands, for a long painfull costly and humiliating defeat of the United Satans.

After all it is the Ummah versus the Coalition....and whenever the Ummah (Coalition of Muslims) is there no satanic-coalition has ever survived.


The stuff they are afraid to teach in ba ba blacksheep schools. The Cantonement canines are afraid that their uniforms might be taken away by the master.


ENJOY this photograph, e-mail to friends, & ALWAYS make the young-ones happy by reminding them what fate is in store the United Satans.

& Leave the older generation sing the praise of their westernwhitos...After all they get patted once in a while: `` Good dog, Nice dog``

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Dr. Brydon returning after the entire British
army of 16,500 except one(him) was killed



Jan. 5, the British marched out, 4,500 combatants and 12,000 camp-followers. One march sufficed to dissolve the last remnant of order, and to mix up soldiers and camp-followers in one hopeless confusion, rendering all resistance impossible. The cold and snow and the want of provisions acted as in Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow [in 1812]. But instead of Cossacks keeping a respectful distance, the British were harassed by infuriated Afghan marksmen, armed with long-range matchlocks, occupying every height. The chiefs who signed the capitulation neither could nor would restrain the mountain tribes. The Koord-Kabul Pass became the grave of nearly all the army, and the small remnant, less than 200 Europeans, fell at the entrance of the Jugduluk Pass. Only one man, Dr. Brydon, reached Jelalabad to tell the tale.
...................................from
Afghanistan by Frederick Engels....of KARL MARX fame!


and now some Kipling :

When you`re wounded and left on Afghanistan`s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An` go to your Gawd like a soldier.

okhla99 writes <<< Read TIME, CNN, Herald Tribune, New York Times or whatever is available wherever you live. Watch international TV. >>>

What kind of a totally dumb rebuttal was that. These mainstream media sources are the sum total of your knowledge that is why you are tugging the official line, ``war on terror`` and other BS. Musharraf is just another peon to the West, totally bey ghairat, when the West is done with him, regardless of how antsy he gets~ and he is strating to show signs of that, they will get rid of him like the did with his predecessor dictator Zia ul Fkuc. It is clear from your response that sloganeering is the last straw that you and your friend PM hold on to, as far as rational argumentation goes you can`t hold a candle to my post.

Re: # 161
hamid
thanks for that link.i think India benefited enormously from british colonialism, imagine an india without brits and english language, how would north and south communicate, would south have accepted hindi, i doubt it.

HAMIDM`S LINK to Dinesh Dsouza who writes <<< The descendants of colonialism are better off than they would be if colonialism had never happened >>>

A totally pathetic attempt at justifying colonization that not only kept the vast majority on earth underdeveloped by wholesale looting of indigeneous resources, the settler societies were deliberately depopulated through mass genocide. How come the world in the Middle Ages has no disparities of any large scale in development but we see today`s world totally ruined. How come India`s textile industry and military technology was way ahead of the British at the time of colonization yet now they lag far behind. There are the concrete questions that all ultra right wingers peons of the west have absolutely no answer for. Even today, we see internal colonization of African Americans that as a microcosm produces the same results as neo-colonization does on a global scale. Here is a link [CONSTRUCTING A GLOBAL GHETTO] as a rebuttal to that dimwit D`souza who even denies in his other writings that racism exists in the US, that is why that person with the mentality of a macaca has been allowed access to the big $$, to tug the official line and act as an a$$ wipe for the white man

Re: # 165

masadi,

..... your rants ring hollow because they are in english and you probably wear pants with two legs and have learnt to use eating utensils ..........

.....the chinese and the indians - smart folks (inspite of the few macaca specimens on chowk) - have jumped on the speeding bandwagon of civilization, while ummite simpletons stand in the dust, wringing their hands over the evils of colonialism ...............as fareed zakaria, a rare muslim who `gets it`, points out : ``Disoriented young men, with one foot in the old world and another in the new, now look for a purer, simpler alternative. Fundamentalism searches for such people everywhere; it, too, has been globalized. `` ........... i guess `it` has found you ........

#166 Sir Syed Ahmed Hamidm: Sometimes your aim goes off when you start blaming Islam, sometimes you hit bulls eye when you aim at the ``disoriented`` muslims. This time you got a bulls eye.

When your aim is off, you are as bad as the Pope. When your shot hits bulls eye, you are first rate.

So, please remain focussed on your target. The target itself is covered with teflon so is immune to reason. But you are fun to read when you hit bulls eye anyway. And it is fun to see the target respond with the usual nonsense that Sir Syed the First used to hear.

PS: Romair, you can come out from under the table. ``Bulls eye`` refers to the proverbial bulls eye, not your nick.

Hamid, 166

the chinese and the indians - smart folks (inspite of the few macaca specimens on chowk) - have jumped on the speeding bandwagon of civilization, while ummite simpletons stand in the dust, wringing their hands over the evils of colonialism

The root cause of Islamic terrorism is the feeling of “left behind” and the resentment it causes at the civilizational level, ie, identity. It’s all about identity crisis and the feeling that everyone is speeding ahead and they are stuck in the rut. It’s all about “haves” and “have-nots,” except that have-nots do not want to admit that the Ummah has screwed it up big time. The only way for them to have is to kill all those who have it.

But, no, the Ummah will not build world class universities, will not propagate scientific knowledge, will not create independent judiciary, will not grant independent thoughts, and will not tolerate anyone who does not subscribe to their views. Just bring back the pristine Islam of the seventh century and everything will be hunky-dory for the Ummah. Then, for the Ummah, the exploration of universe will become a piece of cake, Theory of Everything will be proved in no time, the cure for cancer will be found within days, there will be no poor, no one destitute, no oppression, and everybody, without exceptions, will be healthy, wealthy, wise and content.

#163 by masadi on September 28, 2006 11:23am PT


These mainstream media sources are the sum total of your knowledge that is why you are tugging the official line


The comrade, OTOH, gets his news from the series of tubes we call the internet..and in particular from the rationalreality tube...

comrade: a question for you...Your ancestors, at some point, didn`t bow to mecca and pray 5 times a day...Why isn`t that a remnant of Islamic colonialism just as wearing pants and using utensils s remnant of British colonialism..

why are you so quick to embrace the effects of Islamic colinialism and so reluctant to embrace the effects of British colonialism?

godot

``It’s all about “haves” and “have-nots``

ther is much more to it that this..i would say its fascism. there is much that the ummah has in material terms (e.g. oil) but then there is a perception that it needs to be a ruling elite .. a shining gloriois light for some reason that its not currently.

#163

Respected Masadi Sahib,

I can understand your reluctance to read prominent newspapers and watch international TV, no matter how widely acceptable the rest of the world find them. You wish to ignore mainstream media completely. And as was pointed out by Arjun, your sources of information would then be selective websites which subscribe to & further your point of view. The rest of the world, in your august opinion, consists of ``dimwits`` who need to be taught a lesson.

You have not answered any of the questions raised in #117. A honest analysis would be greatly appreciateed.

Why do you have a problem if Pakistan, at long last, decides to do something about terrorism? Why do you believe that external(US) demands to fight terrorism be denied on grounds of national sovereignty (which has anyway long been mortgaged to Jihadis)?

Can you still not see the reality around you?? You still believe that Pakistan has been on the right path all along and the current course correction is not desirable?? Incredible man....

One more time--

Open your eyes. Please open your eyes.

Brit-pakis blowing up subways and planning to blow up civilian planes are ``have-nots``....why? What is it exactly that they do ``not have``? Good standards of living? Good health care? Good access to education?

What do the canucki-pakis planning to behead the canuckistani PM not have?

#161 hamidm2
What a silly thing to say! It`s like saying put up with an abusive master so you inherit something when he dies...
Colonialism has wreaked havoc in africa but that its aftereffects in the subcontinet are COMPARATIVELY benign does not imply that it was a good thing for anyone.

Re: # 173

soysauce,

... that is why dinesh d`souza could only give colonialism two cheers instead of the cutomary three ............

.................but let`s give the devil his due - if it weren`t for him we would be living in caves like the afghans ......... and you must admit the gora sahib was a lot better than the arab or the mogul ........ isn`t lady wellington hospital a lot more useful than the badshahi masjid next door ? ........ and if it hadn`t been for the maclagan engineering college i would have ended up as a mali at the shalimar gardens down the road ..............

Mr Ghori,

I guess the answer to your byline is becoming clearer day by day. Today it is $80 million per month. I guess for $80 million a month, Mush would be willing to crawl on all fours.