Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

Most widely respected MAsadi Sahib,

While you and Zeemax are patting each other and gloating, it is Pakistan which continues to bleed and weep. And no, Mullahs are not the solution. No matter what people in lululand believe.

You have called people canines/ rats/ macacas & bhaands so much that now you have yourself felt the need to distinguish beween these adjectives in order to remove your own confusions. Instead of wasting time on these intellectual exercises, why don`t you try to logically rebut retional arguments raised in earlier posts.

Mindsets like yours have harmed Pakistan in the past. Now a stage has come where not just the civilised world, but even most Pakistanis will not support your absurd theories of continuing support to terrorists & Jehadis.

Please continue to publish your nonsensical non-books on lulu.com. Can you not see that on Chowk, you are a minority with absolutely no feeling for this country or it`s citizens.

Any iota of self pride would dictate that you take up the points raised by me earlier and rebut them rationally instead of ranting & raving....

Respectfully submitted....

#287 i assume you saw yourself as being part of the ``paindooism`` i had mentioned as being the driving force behind what masadi writes and what echoboom writes. and i have plenty of evidence of that if either one of them has the guts to ask me for evidence. i had not included you, but now that you mention it....yes indeed. you have the same problem, although perhaps not as severe as these other two jahils. and if you want evidence, here it is: Your writing filth about another poster`s daughter on chowk. You know what I am talking about here.

You dont write abuse as often as masadi and echoboom, which is why I say above that you are not as badly afflicted it seems as these other two.

So: i have made my assertion about you, and backed it up with evidence.

now lets see if you can do the same when you say i have a ``bhand-canine mentality``. Back your words with evidence.

#252 by HisExcellency on September 29, 2006 8:01pm PT

more paki dead than Indian dead...paki army having to withdraw, abandoning the dead bodies of their soldiers..not an inch of land to show for it.....pakiland no closer to the kashmir banega pakiland wet dream..

It`s a great victory for Pakiland...

mmmmkay...

okla #288 you write to masadi and zeemax ``Mindsets like yours have harmed Pakistan in the past. ``

That is very true. And in more ways than one.

It is because of self-respecting people like you who actually care about Pakistan (rather than merely lump pakistan and islam with the primitive behavior exhibited by some) that I know that Pakistan will do well inshallah in future.

comrade masadi:The wearch function on your website is broken. I can`t find all the articles you`ve written about the persecution of muslims in darfur..

To avoid starvation, Darfur women risk rape
Roaming militias regularly attack those outside camps

(09-17) 04:00 PDT Graida, Sudan -- The tall, light-skinned man reeking of sweat and cigarettes often gallops his horse right into the nightmares of Darelsalam Ahmed Eisa, 18. Each time, she said, he throws her to the ground, pushes up her skirt and forces himself inside her while muttering: ``Abdah. Abdah. Abdah.``

Slave woman. Slave woman. Slave woman.

Pak leader refutes Musharraf’s Kargil claims

Press Trust of India
Posted online: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 1546 hours IST
Updated: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 1923 hours IST

Islamabad, September 27: Refuting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf`s claim of victory in Kargil in his book, an opposition leader has said the military leader had in fact told the then Cabinet Committee on Defence that the operation was a failure.

Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif`s PML (N)`s acting parliamentary leader Nisar Ali Khan said, at a meeting held in the Governor`s House in Lahore during the Kargil operation, Musharraf had admitted at a meeting of Cabinet Committee on Defence that it was a failure and the army was in ``great trouble`` as a result.

Khan said Musharraf had also deplored the poor performance of Pakistan army at the meeting.

He said Musharraf had given a misleading and false account of Kargil to increase the sales of his book. He also accused the general of using public money for his book launch.

Moments of shame and disgust

Richard Armitage, in his clarification, said that as a matter of fact, Islamabad was given an option to choose between Washington and the Taliban. He maintained that it was an option and not a threat as was being interpreted by the President/COAS of Pakistan. One is reminded of a report in a Lahore weekly which has since ceased publication. The report said in the wake of 9/11, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Mir, was questioned at a very high level meeting in the federal capital about PAF air defence capabilities.

The report quoted the PAF chief as having bluntly stated that the air force would be eliminated in less than half an hour in case the US chose to attack Pakistan. This report is yet to be denied. There is no reason why its contents should not be believed, irrespective of how bitter and unpleasant the reality may be. Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Mir, along with his wife, was after sometime killed in an aircraft crash near Kohat.

India: IT
Pakistan: IT(Islamic Terrorism)

India: IITs

Pakistan:...well...

Radical teachings in Pakistan schools
Madrassas back Taliban, bin Laden

By Charles M. Sennott, Globe Staff | September 29, 2006

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- In a bustling, prosperous corner of this capital city stands the gated campus of a religious school, or madrassa, where some 10,000 students study the teachings of the Koran every day.

Abdul Rashid Ghazi, assistant headmaster at the school, sat cross-legged on the floor flanked by a Koran and a Kalashnikov, and asked that a reporter not photograph the weapon because it would ``give the wrong impression.``

Then Ghazi proceeded to praise Osama bin Laden`s call to ``jihad,`` or holy war, against the West. He expressed ``great pride`` that ``at least hundreds`` of graduates from his school have answered the call to take up arms against US forces in Afghanistan. And he openly described himself and his students as ``pro-Taliban.``

The Jamia Feridia school does not exist in the shadowy fringes of militant Islam. It operates openly and has a 40-year history as part of the religious establishment in a country that Washington regards as a pivotal ally in the ``war on terror.``

The school starkly illustrates just how radicalized Pakistan has become and how widespread is the support for both bin Laden and the Taliban, diplomats and political observers here say.

Ghazi, with a long, gray beard and the black head scarf that is the trademark of the Afghan Taliban, was asked in an interview whether he saw himself and his school as part of what the Pakistani media have come to call ``the local Taliban.``

``Philosophically, yes`` he replied. ``The young generation, our students, are the local Taliban.``

Speaking in perfect English with a hint of a British accent, Ghazi, who describes himself as the school`s head teacher of Islamic theology, continued, ``Osama bin Laden`s philosophy is quite logical and consistent with the Koran. If there are any forces attacking your people and your faith, you are justified in attacking in response. In fact, you are obligated to do so.``

``Where I might differ with Osama bin Laden is the extent of what you in America call collateral damage, the killing of civilians,`` added Ghazi.

Asked if he was sending students to Afghanistan to fight and kill US soldiers, he said the school was not involved in recruitment or training but that it was proud of those who chose to go.

The students, he explained, are ``absolutely going and those going are justified to fight jihad against US troops. It is a legitimate jihad to fight and kill US soldiers in Afghanistan. . . . We teach that here because it is the accurate teaching of the concept of jihad.``

Kashmir Banega Pakiland...NOT..



hang him...dip him in pig fat..and cremate him....(or throw him into the rovers flowing into Pakiland)....

Kashmir banega Pakiland....not bloody likely....

Arms imbalances in the subcontinent


By Ayaz Ahmed Khan

THE supply of non-nuclear technology to India under the Indo- US Agreement on Nuclear Cooperation gives India access to hundreds of nuclear labs and nuclear R&D institutions in the United States. The significance should be obvious.

Benefiting greatly from US nuclear technology, the 22 Indian nuclear reactors could continue producing weapons grade uranium for several years. After that, 14 reactors will come under the safeguards of the International Atomic Energy Agency, but eight unsupervised Indian reactors could produce an unlimited amount of weapons grade uranium.

In effect, India could manufacture hundreds of nuclear weapons to fit on intercontinental ballistic missiles, intermediate-range ballistic missiles and tactical missiles. In Pakistan, which is involved with internal problems, this development is not getting the attention it deserves.

The other more serious development is that the US defence industry, taking advantage of the Indo-US nuclear pact, is trying to secure defence contracts worth billions of dollars from the Indian armed forces. Advanced technology F-16 and F-18 fighter aircraft, latest scanned array radars (AESA), multi-role helicopters, submarines, frigates, Long Range Maritime Patrol (LRMP) aircraft, and AWACS have been offered to India. Arming India to the teeth would impact on India’s neighbours especially China and Pakistan. At present, 70 per cent of Indian military weapons are of Russian origin. There is a realisation that America has the best high-tech weapons, especially fighter aircraft and air defence equipment, which could enable India to establish hegemony in South Asia and primacy in the region.

One of the biggest deals underway involves India’s plans to buy 126 new multi-role jet fighters for the Indian Air Force, valued at around 10 billion dollars. Lockheed Martin, the biggest aircraft manufacturing company in the world, has made an offer to sell 126 Block 50-52 F-16 fighters jets, with technology transfer. Boeing Co the biggest manufacturer of passenger jetliners has offered AE/F Super Hornet fighters at a comparable price.

It is worth mentioning that while the US has agreed to sell 36 F-16 fighters to Pakistan at the exorbitant price of five billion dollars, 126 F-16s are being offered to India for 10 billion dollars only.

The government needs to clarify, why Lockheed Martin is charging Pakistan, a non-Nato ally, a price that is far higher than the one being offered to India.

India is negotiating a deal with Lockheed Martin to build most of the F-16 jet fighters by HAL at Bangalore. Why has Pakistan failed to negotiate a similar agreement to assemble/build F-16s at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra? Was technology transfer a requirement taken up with the Bush administration and with Lockheed Martin? And what was their response? Are the US and Lockheed Martin taking Pakistan for a ride by charging a much higher rate? In the past, $658 million were paid to Lockheed for the supply of 28 F-16 fighters. The supply of the F-16s was blocked and the huge amount paid was not returned.

The Indian Air Force has 230 modern frontline combat aircraft — 190 Russian SU-30 MK and 40 Mirage 2000 strike aircraft, compared to only 32 F-16s with the PAF. With 126 additional fifth-generation fighters, the IAF’s fighter strike and combat capability will increase to 356 highly multi-role aircraft, capable of striking deep into Pakistan. With 36 additional F-16 Falcons, the PAF will have a total of 68 F-16 aircraft after 10 years. The five to one imbalance of combat aircraft, will tilt the ratio of air power dangerously in favour of India.

Lockheed Martin aims to outsource aircraft components to enable India to sell its highly successful C-130 transport aircraft for the Indian Air Force. The IAF transport fleet is already four times the size of the PAF transport fleet of C-130 Charlies. The PAF has been operating the C-130 most successfully, especially in the Northern Areas, since decades. Besides increased airlift capability, C-130 aircraft will enhance the Indian army’s para-drop capability.

The American avionic firm Raytheon has already confirmed its readiness to supply India with its most advanced “electronically active scanned array radar (AESA), which steers radar beams at nearly the speed of light. The system is much lighter and more accurate than conventional radar systems. This electronic asset would significantly enhance the war fighting capabilities of the Indian Air Force.

Neither AESA nor the F-18 Super Hornet has been offered to Pakistan. The discrimination against Pakistan is more than clear. The US has offered the Patriot Anti-Missile Missile System to India, while India is negotiating the purchase of Arrow AMM’s from Israel. Indian Air Force AWACS and the new AMMs and AESA radars will enhance the IAF’s capability to intercept incoming missiles and intruder aircraft.

Bell, the American aerospace giant, has almost settled an order for the supply of 197 multi-role helicopters, including large numbers of gunship helicopters for the use of the Indian army and air force. The Bell helicopter deal is valued at $500 million. Bell has also offered India assistance for the development and manufacture of attack helicopters at home. The Indian army wants to buy 64 Bell attack helicopters immediately. The remaining 137 will be manufactured under licence at HAL Bangalore. With 197 new Bell helicopters and 250 Chetaks and Cheeta helicopters, the army’s offensive capabilities will significantly enhance.

The Indian navy’s shopping list includes six submarines, three frigates, eight Long Range Maritime Patrol (LRMP) aircraft and Boeing’s Multi-Mission Boeing jets. The 737 is not available until 2009, so the Indian navy is likely to opt for P3C Orions.

The Northrop Grumman Corporation has offered sea-going vessels for the Indian navy’s coastal fleet. It has already signed a deal with HAL Bangalore to supply the components of the Hawkeye AWAC’s offered to the Indian navy and air force.

India’s defence budget has been steadily growing with its economy. There are indications that the defence budget will increase to 22 billion dollars during the coming fiscal year. Capital expenditure on new weapon acquisitions has increased from 25 per cent in 2000 to 42 per cent during the current fiscal year.

This massive arming of India will create a serious security situation for countries in the region including Pakistan, China, Iran, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and the Near and Far East as well as the Middle East region. The matter should have been discussed at the Non-Aligned Summit in Havana. Something must be done to stop the arms race being triggered by the United States in South Asia.

The writer is a retired air marshal of the Pakistan Air Force.

#288 by okhla99

lulu.com.

That`s exactly what I meant in my #270 by saying ``with inanities and persists in trying to run you around in circles with attempts at humorous false-dilemmas till you give up..

Now what does lulu.com or anything else like that have anything to do with the argument?

That just proves the assertion that you belong in the `Bhaand-canine` category. Noted.

hmm..speaking of canines...hey zeemax: how much reward money do you think i can get for ratting out your son to the feds..i`m sure they`ll want to question the son of a wannabe suicide bomber...

#289 by tahmed32

What I had said about hamidm`s daughters was clear enough and hamidm understood it and carries no grudge. I have explained it many times both here and on UP. You don`t need to be `khwajey da gwah duddoo`. Hamidm has much superior intellect in knowing that what I had said was no more than in context of one set of teenagers signing death messages on bombs with glitter markers upon another set of kids and teenagers in Lebanon, and hamidm teaching his daughters to do the same.

It was equally callous. That`s all. Let hamidm come and testify. You don`t have to do it on hamidm`s behalf even though he`s your boss but he is no less a friend of mine.

I`m sure there`s a market for an eBay like auction site..we can call it Jihadi Bay...or jBay.. Pakis can pick up patsies and list them on jBay...US federal agencies who want to show a scalp can then use the ``click here to buy now`` button to buy the patsies right away...pakis can compete to sell jihadis..shipping will be through air gitmo...

let the free market reign..


Pakistan hands hundreds of suspects to U.S. for money: report

Pakistani authorities have illegally sent hundreds of Pakistanis and foreigners to prisons or handed them to the United States for money, said a report released Friday by Amnesty International.

``Bounty hunters, including police officers and local people, have captured individuals of different nationalities, often apparently at random, and sold them into U.S. custody,`` said Claudio Cordone, the senior director of research at the human rights organization.

The report is based on a number of interviews with former detainees, including citizens from Bahrain, Australia, Britain, Ethiopia and Sweden, who say they were illegally abducted while in Pakistan and handed over to American authorities.

Offered up to $5,000 US a suspect

Fuelled by American offers of up to $5,000 US for suspects, they were sent to the U.S. naval prison in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the U.S. Bagram air base in Afghanistan or secret detention centres run by the U.S. but based in other countries.

``People held in Pakistan for alleged links to al-Qaeda or the Taliban have been arrested and detained without reference to national or international human rights law,`` says the report.

``Custodial safeguards have been blatantly ignored and the protection of law has been routinely denied.``

a_macaca

Guess I have to resort again to this to shut you up .. and I hope salim_Chauhan will forgive!

Macaca carried like a wild boar shot in a hunt by Bengalis.