Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

#80 Please read #77 once more. Perhaps enrolling for reading comprehension class would be good for you.

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Gen Mahmud told Mushy ``Woh hamari Eent se Eent baje denge``..What`s the origin of the phrase and what does it mean specifically..i know the overall idea is that they`ll do something very unpleasant, but what`s the reference to the brick?

#73 Arjun - you are slower than usual today. Re-read what I wrote carefully. If you still dont get it, ask some 6 year old to explain it to you.

#83 could it be they will use our bricks to destroy us. In other words suggesting that Pakistan has enuf people inside who would do the dirty on it. Perhaps this could be the third reason of Mushy for siding with US - that pakistan cannot muster enough people to confront the US.

#84 bad_shah, good_shah :?

zeemax # 76
[Yes no argument about this. Pak should have told US to eff off and we`ll see what`s in our best interests. He didn`t do that. That`s why he`s just a smalltime punk. No doubt.]

it`s easy to be an arnold shwartznegger interacting at chowk...at the first sign of american bombs all you mullahs would be hiding under your beds...even though i hate the bastard, he did the only sensible thing he could to save not only his ass but our collective asses too...

zeemax...you are the champion macaca warrior...just do that...and don`t think you have graduated to fight like a man...keep on trying...maybe in a thousand years...

Masadi #50 & #75
Respected Masadi Sahib,

You seem to be living in a crazy world of your own. Everyone but you seems to know that Pakistan today does not enjoy the stature of Turkey or most other Muslim nations. It cannot say ``NO`` to US. Whether this is due to lack of moral strength, ideological strength, or simply the fear of coming face to face with the misdeeds of its own army and agencies in the past in letting the ISI support Taliban, Lashkar, Jaish etc. Once complicity with terrorists has been exposed, established, there would be a price to pay. In the comity of nations it is placed around Afghanistan and Iraq. Most of the world (and most Pakistanis) believes Pakistan is a failing state, on the brink of collapse, not able to control the Islamic hardliners. Whatever gave you the idea that Pakistan could do a ``Turkey`` to the US. Open your eyes. Please, open your eyes.

Musharraf has prevented the ship from sinking, nay, being torpedoed. He is a leader who can still exercise some control on the army. A whole lot of Pakistanis respect him. The Indians are scared of him. Musharraf can get away with direct attacks like KArgil (thinly veiled behind the mujahideen) on India. Musharraf can emphatically deny any army involvement in KArgil for years together and then suddenly own up to it as ``Pakistan Army`s finest moment``. Musharraf can do anything, say anything he wants. He will remain in power as long as he lives.

He is the best bet Pakistan has at the moment. The TINA factor as the Indian newspapers would say (There Is No Alternative). Folks like you can ridicule him and talk of theoretical nation states. But as far as theories in Pakistan are concerned ``It is merely paper....``.

And . if Pakistan is now doing something to actually combat terrorism, why crib....

So come on now, wake up to reality.Please.


Regards.

zeemax, masadi and other perpetual whiners .........

........ for god`s sake stop whining about what poor richard armitage said to general mahmud - the guy is a pussy cat compared to this :

``I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.``

........ even though i think the goon in khaki has done incalculabel damage to all the institutions in pakistan, he did the right thing by turning against the barbaric taliban - this horrible scourge must to be eliminated ........... i know you guys hate women and like living in caves, but most of us don`t ..........

{``It would be interesting to see if the General shares any of his rumoured million-dollar fee from the publishers of the book, Simon & Schuster, with the people of Pakistan``}

Ghori Sahib,
Thank you for an informative and timely article. One fact that few people seem to recognize is that Mushy is proving his honesty by trying to make some personal gain through this stupid act of writing his memoirs while still in office. If Mushy had been really corrupt and had benefited from the ambidextrous looting of the nation, he would have neither the time nor the need to write this autobiography and have it published in the west. What I do find amusing and deplorable at the same time is his use of his state visit to drum up demand for his book.

re. Okhla99, #88

Very well said, though it pains me to think that you will soon come to the realization that you are hitting your head against a wall-- or may as well be.

It takes a special naiviete, or disingenuousness, or both, to compare US relations with Turkey in 2003 with that of Pakistan immediately following 9/11. But some do possess these virtues in abundance, as is about to be made clear to you.

re. ``Folks like you can ridicule him and talk of theoretical nation states. But as far as theories in Pakistan are concerned ``It is merely paper....``. ``

Folks like this can do this with casualness because, well, they have their a$$es parked in some other part of the world anyway. For them, paper is all there is.

re. ``And . if Pakistan is now doing something to actually combat terrorism, why crib....
So come on now, wake up to reality.Please. ``

Expect to hear something to the effect of ``but the real terrorism is from the U.S., which Pakistan needed to combat more urgently

rgds,
PM

Re: # 89

Hamidm sahib:

``I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.``

Is the above said anywhere? Where? Not in any religious books or scriptures.

Anil

re. hamidm, #89 ``i know you guys hate women and like living in caves, but most of us don`t .......... ``

Excellent point. It`s all very well for some ass to speak of `national interest` and get all epistimological on the meaning of the word ``nation.`` It`s all to easy when you`ve little or nothinng to lose personally.

#92, anil {````I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.`` ``}

Anil Bhai,
Actually that was Hamidumdum Sahib`s marriage proposal to the future Mrs. Hamidumdum.

dear Salim, PM, Hamidm2, and all others on this thread barring the Masadi and zeemax types,

Please lend you ears, as fellow human beings, civilised people, and desis.

You have all been a part of a great con. yes a great confidence trick.

If we look the whole mushy saga from a historical perspective we see that there has been, almost always, two categories of people. those who thought him to be thebest thing since sliced bread, and those who were skeptical but gave him the benefit of doubt. Over a period of time the category increased in number. This slowly changed to out right condemnation of the man. of this many of you have been guilty one way or the other.

Now along come Masadi and zeemax and their kind, with their psuedo-madarassah criticism in one case, psuedo-sociological-criticism in another case. What happens. viola the majorty who were critical of Mushy have suddenly become his fan, supporters etc.

As they say mission accomplished. Masadi, zeemax and their kind deserve oscars, nishan-e-agent-provocateur etc.

You guys have been had. Listen to yourselves speak and type out your notes.

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dear Salim, PM, Hamidm2, and all others on this thread barring the Masadi and zeemax types,

Please lend me your ears, as fellow human beings, civilised people, and desis.

You have all been a part of a great con. yes a great confidence trick.

If we look at the whole mushy saga from a historical perspective we see that there has been, almost always, two categories of people. Those who thought him to be the best thing since sliced bread, and those who were skeptical but gave him the benefit of doubt. Over a period of time the second category increased in number. This group slowly changed their stance to out right condemnation of the man. Of this many of you have been guilty one way or the other.

Now along come Masadi and zeemax and their kind, with their psuedo-madarassah criticism in one case, psuedo-sociological-criticism in another case. What happens? Viola the majorty who were critical of Mushy have suddenly become his fan, supporters etc.

As they say mission accomplished. Masadi, zeemax and their kind deserve oscars, nishan-e-agent-provocateurs etc.

You guys have been had. Listen to yourselves speak and type out your notes.